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pros & cons of starting off on a 1000cc

the reason i made this post is because with these new bikes coming out with different power settings as in race mode, street mode, and rain mode etc.. wouldn't it be better to get a bike you want 1st and make the purchase one time and ride in a rain mode until you comfortable and work your way up to the next setting ?

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Do you think you're going to be a better rider in the end if you have systems that compensate for mistakes you didn't even know you made, or if instead you build your skill set so that you can take advantage of those systems that will then work to support you instead of in spite of you?

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To me, electronics should be an aid, not a crutch.
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I agree with you but if you buy a new bike these days they all computerize to some degree unless you grab a 2010 and under bike use but buying a used bike can be a hit or miss

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True but the way you worded the initial question I took it as justification for buying a liter bike as a starter bike because you can tame it down with the electronics.

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I can't think of a single advantage of starting on a 1,000.

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I like the way Tiger put it...
People DO start on 1000s. But It really Isn't very logical.
Honestly I think you will have more fun on a smaller bike anyway.
I have been riding for years and Im still a HUGE fan of 600cc bikes.
They are still fast as all hell. Scary fast even. They are so much easier to take around a corner.
It takes YEARS of practice to really start getting good.
I am assuming you are fairly young?
Insurance on a 1000cc will be WAY higher. They are more expensive to buy. Worse gas millage.
So youd be spending a lot more money right out the door and itd continue to cost you more. It'd ultimately slow your learning curve on a 1000 Vs a 600 IMO.
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Even if the bike didn't have all the bells and whistles me personally would not buy a 1000. Because for me I know would probably not ride it to its full potential. If your going to leave it in rain mode. You should just get a smaller bike and ride it in no mode at all. What type of riding you plan on doing ?weekend warrior commuter trackday once in awhile?
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I have a 899 that I've purchased last year I was just asking cause I know a few people that jump out and got a bmw s1000rr


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I almost guarantee the majority of newer riders would be faster on a 600 than they would on a 1000 on the track unless it's maybe Road America or Brainerd.
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Even if the bike didn't have all the bells and whistles me personally would not buy a 1000. Because for me I know would probably not ride it to its full potential. If your going to leave it in rain mode. You should just get a smaller bike and ride it in no mode at all. What type of riding you plan on doing ?weekend warrior commuter trackday once in awhile?

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I have a 899 that I've purchased last year I was just asking cause I know a few people that jump out and got a bmw s1000rr


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The BMW is a great motorcycle. Crazy fast and the electronics would help a lot.
I'd still like to see people start on a 250 Super Moto.

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pros: its great to own a very fast bike, and if you can ride well its a ton of fun.


cons: spendy for the bike and insurance, and if you cant handle the power "making it/scrubbing it off" it can make you dead as shit very fast regardless of what anyone on a motorcycle forum will tell you.
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I almost guarantee the majority of newer riders would be faster on a 600 than they would on a 1000 on the track unless it's maybe Road America or Brainerd.

I sure agree looking for a 750 to daily maintenance on the duc is a arm and a leg


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The BMW is a great motorcycle. Crazy fast and the electronics would help a lot.

I'd still like to see people start on a 250 Super Moto.

I would do a super Moto but these cops and kids with these dirt bike here would make you get into some bs or worry about it getting stolen more then anything else


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I can't think of a single advantage of starting on a 1,000.
Wheelies, duh!!!!

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Wheelies, duh!!!!
I suck at wheelies so bad I'm not sure even a 1K would help.

Though I did ride a friend's Tuono very briefly last year and holy hell all you have to do on that is crack the throttle.

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I suck at wheelies so bad I'm not sure even a 1K would help.
You need the H2 bruh. Wheelie all the way home.
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All cons no pros.
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All cons no pros.
Agreed. Once you've scared yourself silly a few times with the acceleration and the bike night crew has seen it, it's downhill from there.

Of course, you could go drag racing.
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With that said my 2015 Kawi ZX-10R has 3 power modes. Manual states in the "L" (Low) power mode you only get 60% power.

Pretty much turns your liter bike into a 600 (if that).

Problem is you have to put in in L.
Speed is addicting and a new rider will be all too tempted to get more power. They may feel like they know how to handle the bike and with that power on tap unrestrict the bike and find themselves in a world of trouble.

I started on a 600 and that was probably a bad choice. I'm fairly confident that if I had started on this liter bike I would have hurt myself.
Hell the bike is heavier, longer, and not as nimble as a 600. (btw I wont ever go back to a 600 for the street, I'm loving this liter bike!!)

So you dont want to dump a ton of money on a 600 because you are afraid you will want more and just get a liter anyways?
If that is the case MY OPINION IS:
Go buy a super cheap 250/300 sport bike for <=$3000 and ride the living shit out of it. Learn how to corner on it, accelerate, brake, etc.. If you dump it, no biggie it was a cheapo bike anyways and will be cheap to fix.
Then go buy your liter bike after you've been riding for a while and know what you are doing.

My 600 was brand new when I bought it and it was my first motorcycle ever.
$10+k is a big expense.
I rode that thing scared shitless ,of how much it would cost me if I wrecked it, for nearly 6 months.
I only started to really feel comfortable on it after a track day.

If I could go back and do it again my first bike would have been a Yamaha R3 (bastards released it about 3 months after I bought my gixxer).
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No advantage, actually it's a handicap.

As far as speed. To put in perspective, I pass 1000's in Advance group on a ninja 300 on the track.

You'll learn skills with the little bikes that when applied to the bigger bikes it will improve your riding capabilities astronomically.

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I've never driven a car before, do you think I should buy a v12 Ferrari for my first car? Sounds silly doesn't it. One of our local crews had a new rider that bought a GSXR1000 for his first bike. Ran it hot into a corner on his second ride, ran wide, and T boned a pickup. He's dead. One of the best first bikes in my opinion is the SV650. Faster than you think, well supported by the aftermarket, and big enough to haul around a large adult. I know a few ridden by good riders that will dump you like a bad habit on a twisty road.

Edit: How will you feel when someone dumps you with a 300 in your local canyon? What's your excuse, except "I don't know how to ride". Lose on a smaller bike, and you can always claim lack of horsepower.
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I know Ive said this exact same post prob word for word about 100 times including this line Im typing now. If your looking for justification to buy a bike you already made your mind up on(sounds like it to me) its not going to happen here. A quick search of the forum and review of the stickies will point out most ppl here will tell you to not even start on a 600. Im not gonna lie, my wording is simple...starting on a 1k is plain stupid. Sure it can be done, but its stupid, honestly. I agree one hundred percent about it being a handicap and sounds like your for your type of riding just silly.

I remember one of my first track days, I was on a 600 and there was a guy on a busa. We pulled out with him right behind me and all through the first lap I never saw him. Come to the main straight and towards the end here he comes FLYING past me. Some time around the 2nd or 3rd turn I was passing him, wouldnt see him again till another long straight or maybe all the way to the main straight but almost every time he would in fact technically cross the start finish before me by just opening it up on the main straight. By the end of the day I was getting better and he was never able to pass me again. I had put so much distance on him through the tech stuff that his extra 700ccs weren't doing shit for him. He was handicapped by a bigger heavier bike and not progressing in his skill because he was relying all on the power.

Most guys on here know what I say in moments like these...if you wanna be fast, Its better to learn to ride a slow bike fast, then a fast bike slow. Smooth is fast, and there is NOTHING smooth about a newb on a 1k. There is also NO margin for error.

This is a post I once read that I really liked. From another forum back in 07 (it was debating starting on a 250 or 600 and this guy was against 600)


"You'll be a much more proficient and better rider if you learn to ride a slow bike fast.

A fast rider on a slow bike = a fast bike
A slow rider on a fast bike = a slow bike

If you don't plan on riding fast, then there's no reason for a 600?

People who start off on larger more powerful bikes are slower to become proficient riders. I bet you most of those that say to you that "a 250 will just get boring too quickly" can't even ride a 250 to its limits

Do a course

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Gotta crawl before you run man. There are days I think I have no business on my 1k and Ive been riding it for years. I hop on my wifes 600 and tear shit up thinking man....Im gettin me one of these. I also ride a 600 on the track and LOVE it compared to my 1k.
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I've never driven a car before, do you think I should buy a v12 Ferrari for my first car? Sounds silly doesn't it. One of our local crews had a new rider that bought a GSXR1000 for his first bike. Ran it hot into a corner on his second ride, ran wide, and T boned a pickup. He's dead. One of the best first bikes in my opinion is the SV650. Faster than you think, well supported by the aftermarket, and big enough to haul around a large adult. I know a few ridden by good riders that will dump you like a bad habit on a twisty road.

Edit: How will you feel when someone dumps you with a 300 in your local canyon? What's your excuse, except "I don't know how to ride". Lose on a smaller bike, and you can always claim lack of horsepower.
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I know Ive said this exact same post prob word for word about 100 times including this line Im typing now. If your looking for justification to buy a bike you already made your mind up on(sounds like it to me) its not going to happen here. A quick search of the forum and review of the stickies will point out most ppl here will tell you to not even start on a 600. Im not gonna lie, my wording is simple...starting on a 1k is plain stupid. Sure it can be done, but its stupid, honestly. I agree one hundred percent about it being a handicap and sounds like your for your type of riding just silly.

I remember one of my first track days, I was on a 600 and there was a guy on a busa. We pulled out with him right behind me and all through the first lap I never saw him. Come to the main straight and towards the end here he comes FLYING past me. Some time around the 2nd or 3rd turn I was passing him, wouldnt see him again till another long straight or maybe all the way to the main straight but almost every time he would in fact technically cross the start finish before me by just opening it up on the main straight. By the end of the day I was getting better and he was never able to pass me again. I had put so much distance on him through the tech stuff that his extra 700ccs weren't doing shit for him. He was handicapped by a bigger heavier bike and not progressing in his skill because he was relying all on the power.

Most guys on here know what I say in moments like these...if you wanna be fast, Its better to learn to ride a slow bike fast, then a fast bike slow. Smooth is fast, and there is NOTHING smooth about a newb on a 1k. There is also NO margin for error.

This is a post I once read that I really liked. From another forum back in 07 (it was debating starting on a 250 or 600 and this guy was against 600)


"You'll be a much more proficient and better rider if you learn to ride a slow bike fast.

A fast rider on a slow bike = a fast bike
A slow rider on a fast bike = a slow bike

If you don't plan on riding fast, then there's no reason for a 600?

People who start off on larger more powerful bikes are slower to become proficient riders. I bet you most of those that say to you that "a 250 will just get boring too quickly" can't even ride a 250 to its limits

Do a course

My $0.02 - but I'm a grumpy old man "

Gotta crawl before you run man. There are days I think I have no business on my 1k and Ive been riding it for years. I hop on my wifes 600 and tear shit up thinking man....Im gettin me one of these. I also ride a 600 on the track and LOVE it compared to my 1k.

trust me i agree with y'all I've been riding for years a 1000cc is to much on this streets here in NYC and I'm leaning more to the track then anything else ..

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I remember one of my first track days, I was on a 600 and there was a guy on a busa. We pulled out with him right behind me and all through the first lap I never saw him. Come to the main straight and towards the end here he comes FLYING past me. Some time around the 2nd or 3rd turn I was passing him, wouldnt see him again till another long straight or maybe all the way to the main straight but almost every time he would in fact technically cross the start finish before me by just opening it up on the main straight. By the end of the day I was getting better and he was never able to pass me again. I had put so much distance on him through the tech stuff that his extra 700ccs weren't doing shit for him. He was handicapped by a bigger heavier bike and not progressing in his skill because he was relying all on the power.
When I did STAR School there was a guy on a 'Busa there too. Fast on the straights, park it in the corners. Then one time we came around and he way lying about 30 yards from his bike. Had spun up the rear trying to fly down the straight again.

Back when I was racing we had our private trackdays at Grattan. Of course it was a big mix of people, but in the advanced group that was full of liter bikes, there was only one guy faster than me on my SV - and he was on a 600RR. Even with a decent straight if I could get a good drive it was hard for them to make up.

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Agreed. Once you've scared yourself silly a few times with the acceleration and the bike night crew has seen it, it's downhill from there.
Though it does mean more low mileage liter bikes on the market after the bros scare themselves.

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Litre bikes do have one advantage over the others and that is taking off from a red light , I won't ride my friends 1000 because I think I will fall in love with the torque

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Litre bikes do have one advantage over the others and that is taking off from a red light , I won't ride my friends 1000 because I think I will fall in love with the torque
You would, it's intoxicating.

Holy shit I love my liter soooooooo much more than the 600.
Riding around on the street its just more comfortable.
The extra weight and room I get make the ride around town easier.
Plus the ability to just put her in 4th and leaver her there, so much less shifting.

No way in hell I want to take her to the track though.
I'm on the hunt right now for a good 300 class bike to pick up and haul back and forth to the track (that and a van to haul it in, no more renting Uhauls for me).
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I'm not really a fan of 1000's. I feel like there is more effort to ride them and really all that a 1000 is offering is top end punch.
The 750 is the best GSXR made IMO.
At the end of the day. I think any GSXR is a bad choice for a first bike.

I don't know, but I been told
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It's just as hard with the weight of lead
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I'm not really a fan of 1000's. I feel like there is more effort to ride them and really all that a 1000 is offering is top end punch.
The 750 is the best GSXR made IMO.
At the end of the day. I think any GSXR is a bad choice for a first bike.
neither am i but that 2017 gsxr 1000 i wouldn't mind adding to my collection but i got my eye on a 750
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neither am i but that 2017 gsxr 1000 i wouldn't mind adding to my collection but i got my eye on a 750
It's a very nice bike no doubt. Just not for me.
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It's just as hard with the weight of lead
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For what your going to spend on a new 750, you can get a new SV650. Put a bunch of color coded bolts, matching gear, some other powder puff crap. Then replace it all when you total it.

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For what your going to spend on a new 750, you can get a new SV650. Put a bunch of color coded bolts, matching gear, some other powder puff crap. Then replace it all when you total it.

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i looking at a 2013 and thats going for $8500 out the door and its brand new still in the crate

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i looking at a 2013 and thats going for $8500 out the door and its brand new still in the crate
Probably because they just released a new SV. I would low ball them on the 2013.

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My first track bike was a liter bike and the only reason why was because I knew I was only going to do track days with it so I really didn't care about having to get racing down perfectly with it. I'm a bigger guy and it just fit me better. Still have a liter bike but looking at a 300 mabey to work on racing cause the liter bike on hot laps is a lot of stress and physically exhausting lol so I wanna slow it down a bit and learn some more. Also sv's are great beginner bikes. The fist gens at least. They are a carb and have a good tourqe curve and crash well. On the track you definitely want to slow it down because there's so much to learn.

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I'm a huge fan of starting with a 650. Ride my old boss's sv all the time. My first Street bike was a versys 650 and I loved that thing. Only reason I traded it in was I saw the L5 750 with the team color scheme and I had to have it. Kind of wish I still had the versys for around town and the gsxr for the more spirited runs. The wife wants a bike so I may look a super motard 250 to start her on (and as another toy for me).

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Just save some time and get a turbo busa
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Just save some time and get a turbo busa
You just want turbo parts lol

You post so infrequently anymore its almost weird seeing your name here now lol

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You just want turbo parts lol

You post so infrequently anymore its almost weird seeing your name here now lol
mmm turbo parts

Op just make sure all turbo parts are compatible with a k5/k6

Honestly I kind of see where he was coming from though with the different modes and what not but yes, it has been nailed on the head, start small and dream big

I'll start posting a lot more when I get my new laptop for school I hate using my phone, it's annoying af bc I see everything like this ... and can't scroll left and right, I'm typing half my post blindly. Then to fix my auto correct omg, takes forever

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