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Bike wont run after washing

Suzuki k7 2007 60cc ....... Ok so I'm a dumbass , I washed the bike a bit too close with a power washer.... dried it...

started it up... Flashing FI light .... Run for about 500 yards then when I pulled the clutch in it dies and rolled to a stop.

I managed to get it home by revving the absoloute crap out of it --- ( about 1mile so was lucky )

Garage I called said the fuel pump is not working properly.

is this an easy fix or am I looking at a big bill ??? Also whats the chances of it drying out overnight ??

please help me guys really worried ive messed up here.

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I always let my bike run while I'm washing

u may have just got an excessive amount of water into the intakes. idk how the fuel pump would be damaged from that. if u needed to replace it they are very simple tho.

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You have an FI light so no need to guess. Put it in dealer mode and see what the code is and go from there. Hes right tho. Pump isn't hard to do.



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def see what the codes are. if the bike knows what's wrong, listen to her

before u start replacing things get a voltage reader and see if ur getting the right amount of power going to everything too

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You have an FI light so no need to guess. Put it in dealer mode and see what the code is and go from there. Hes right tho. Pump isn't hard to do.
Thanks Gents, will update you
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Check the code and post it here, but I think you should also try running it so the heat allows any excess water to evaporate. You may have water trapped in connectors and that is going to cause all sorts of headaches if you don't get it out of there. Which means you should lift the tank and remove the seat, and start drying everything that's wet. And NEVER powerwash it. I don't even use a hose on it, for this very reason, I use a bottle of water and pour just enough to get the surface I'm working on wet, wash it, rinse it with the bottle, then Dry it. That, or use Optimum No Rinse on a sponge/cleaning pad, then dry it.
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Check the code and post it here, but I think you should also try running it so the heat allows any excess water to evaporate. You may have water trapped in connectors and that is going to cause all sorts of headaches if you don't get it out of there. Which means you should lift the tank and remove the seat, and start drying everything that's wet. And NEVER powerwash it. I don't even use a hose on it, for this very reason, I use a bottle of water and pour just enough to get the surface I'm working on wet, wash it, rinse it with the bottle, then Dry it. That, or use Optimum No Rinse on a sponge/cleaning pad, then dry it.
Thanks man , I will never power wash again,,, Just an update , Ive noticed the fuel pump isn't delivering fuel when it should , and then randomly will let me start it up. ( The noises it makes when I rev to keep it going really doesn't sound healthy.. I cant believe washing my pride and joy has caused me so much grief. )

any ideas on maybe an immobilised/fuel pump issue ?
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You may have water in your fuel pump connector, may have water in your spark plug connectors, may have gotten in your airbox, etc. You need to lift the tank and check
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Check the kill switch, see if it got too wet.

Listen you dont need to be anti water. Your bike isnt allergic to water. I've washed every bike ive had with a hose 100s of times with no issue and been caught in just as many rain storms. Just need to be careful where you get it, know where not to spray and power washing is just not needed. Don't stress anything till you check the code. It's simple. Google Gsxr dealer mode and see what the bike is telling you. Why guess?



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Check the kill switch, see if it got too wet.

Listen you dont need to be anti water. Your bike isnt allergic to water. I've washed every bike ive had with a hose 100s of times with no issue and been caught in just as many rain storms. Just need to be careful where you get it, know where not to spray and power washing is just not needed. Don't stress anything till you check the code. It's simple. Google Gsxr dealer mode and see what the bike is telling you. Why guess?
There's a very large difference between using a hose and using a power/pressure washer.
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I agree, which is why I said hose and no to pressure washer.
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So Update is this.. This morning tried to fire it up and its worse. The led display is now showing the digital number 8 on every section (no fault codes just buzzing sound and digital 8 everywhere..

Also battery is showing 9.6v reading ... So I'm buying a new one.

What the hell has happened to my bike lol,

I honestly think water has killed my bike , gotta wait until Tuesday to get it to the dealers which will no doubt charge me a fortune.

????? :-(
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It's SO hard to help ppl who don't take the advice given to them after they ask for help.

Good luck.

PS: I deleted your other thread, please just use one thread for all similar issues. Youll be getting answers in two different threads and it will become hard to follow (not that youll listen anyway. Also you were posting these threads in the SITE issues section. Thats for problems with the SITE not your bike. I moved it to the tech section which is for problems with your BIKE.
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Also battery is showing 9.6v reading ... So I'm buying a new one.
Install the new battery and then check the charging voltage with the bike at 5k. It is usually about 14.5v.

Maybe the battery died coincidentally with the washing?

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The new battery helped big time , I've now got the bike running in limp mode.. it's still got really random noises coming from the fuel pump area. And I'm pretty sure the idle is rough.

P.s please excuse me on this site as I am a noob and still getting used to it.

Cheers guys - ride safe
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The new battery helped big time , I've now got the bike running in limp mode.. it's still got really random noises coming from the fuel pump area. And I'm pretty sure the idle is rough.

P.s please excuse me on this site as I am a noob and still getting used to it.

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What is the charging voltage?

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Sounds good. The spec is 14.0-15.5 volts.

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listen to the noise

first 15seconds.

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Again with the making another thread? Keep your problem in one thread please.

I noticed you still have an FI light and STILL didn't tell us what it is. You want us to spend our time trying to guess and diagnose over the internet but won't do what we suggest or ask. It's kind of rude and annoying.
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ya, what gives? get a paper clip and go get that code! quit guessing already!

if a car has a check engine light on and a running issue, I'd start by plugging an obd2 reader up and ... finding what codes came up so I know where to start

that FI light is like ur check engine light. ur bikes trying to tell u what's wrong in the only way she knows how. u gotta listen to her man, she's asking for u for help

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My bad ,

I cant get the error code read until tomorrow , I'm just trying to get the exact cause so I can make sure the dealership don't rob me as I'm flying out to Spain Thursday and they will have it a week. Also I started a new thread because it's no longer ' the bike wont run after washing'. Now its what the hell is that noise ???

I was hoping someone would of known this problem and told me what it is. So lets say I need a new pump any ideas on the cost ?

Thanks again.
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all u need to get the code is ur bike and a paperclip. if ur FI light is on, there's an issue with ur bike and that's how u find out what's up.

if ur fuel pump is what ur thinking about replacing, they're not much and pretty easy to change out. u really don't need a dealer or shop to do it. seriously if u can remove ur fairings u have the skill level to change ur fuel pump.

I bought an oem fuel pump off a crashed salvage bike on ebay for like $150ish last year

my advise is pull the code and figure out what's exactly wrong before u start thinking about replacing sh!t. u'll save urself some money and aggravation, trust me

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all u need to get the code is ur bike and a paperclip. if ur FI light is on, there's an issue with ur bike and that's how u find out what's up.

if ur fuel pump is what ur thinking about replacing, they're not much and pretty easy to change out. u really don't need a dealer or shop to do it. seriously if u can remove ur fairings u have the skill level to change ur fuel pump.

I bought an oem fuel pump off a crashed salvage bike on ebay for like $150ish last year

my advise is pull the code and figure out what's exactly wrong before u start thinking about replacing sh!t. u'll save urself some money and aggravation, trust me
Cheers Dude , im hoping the dealership will actually fix the problem as even thou i could manage it i wont have the time this week and really want it running for when i get back.
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It prob IS still all issues from power washing though. Considering it started then.

The noise you hearing is the fuel pump constantly priming and the throttle bodies constantly cycling, suggesting there is still something wrong from getting wet.

Your bike would tell you what was wrong but instead of Googling dealer mode as I suggested many posts ago youd rather just keep trying to start it. Putting it in dealer mode and getting the code takes less time then it did for me to write this post.
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Okay lads , the codes are c28 and c29 ...
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So as I mentioned the noise if your throttle bodies. You prob fucked up your STVA with the water (like I also said, same issue as the original).

@rv6john , @Chuckster and the factory service manual will be your friends here. There is also MANY threads on both of those codes on this site if you search them. Im guessing your STVA is just friend now and youll need a new one, but they can show you how to test it.

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Thanks SRAD600 , I had the codes already and I just wanted to keep it updated on this thread, I will just get the dealership to install a new one. Will that clear both codes and solve my problem you think.
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Thanks SRAD600 , I had the codes already and I just wanted to keep it updated on this thread, I will just get the dealership to install a new one. Will that clear both codes and solve my problem you think.
Install a new one.... are you made of money? The plugs for the STVA and STPS are vulnerable to the spray. You could probably fix it if raised the tank, disconnected the STVA and STPS couplers, dried it all the best you could, then just let it sit in the sun for a few hours.
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I think it could be past the drying stage , they can't be that expensive surely.. also still not 100% convinced that's the only problem.
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Cheap ebay stva replacement that MAY work for a lil while $300. If you need to go OEM route and it needs a whole kitnkaboodle $1k maybe?

Chuckster wrote the book on STVA diagnosis and repair. WIDELY known as the go to for it on the internet. GOOGLE and do your research. When you find all lines pointing to "The Geek" thats the bible on STVA. If you want help with it, hes the one to listen to. Or throw money at it. Typically with STVA issues the dealerships tell you that you need a whole new throttle body assembly, starts at $1k for parts alone.

You can drop a cell phone in the toilet and it wont work for DAYS after it gets dried out. Just humor us.
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So possibly dry it out... hmmm, think I've got some stva research to do. What did you guys think of the ignition sound video, does that sound like the results of c28 and c29 problems?
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So the bike continuously runs through "pre start" routine. Something is sending a really messed up signal to the ecu. Could be the STVA or could be the ecu itself. I would pull the airbox and see what actually happens and do your electrical diagnosis. If you send it to the shop without doing some research they are going to take you to the bank.
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UPDATE : Shop says need a new throttle bottle as I might of guessed , it would appear no shops want to attempt to even fix the STVA.

May need Chuckster's help on this , even thou I'm the UK maybe you could fix mine if I ship it to you , then I can reattach when I get it back ??? :-)

taking the bike apart wont be a problem I'm just worried about the repositioning of the stva and lever.

Let me know what you think.
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If you have both codes, start with troubleshooting just C29 for the STPS. The STVA error may just be a product of that. The sensor sends a voltage back to the ECU with the STV position. If that sensor is internally shorted by water, it's going to send a voltage back, just not what the ECU expects. It then assumes that the STVA is not moving correctly and faults the STVA.

If you unplug the white connector for the STPS, but leave the STVA connected, see if your codes change. C29 should remain, but I expect C28 will go away. If that's the case, a new STPS is only about $90 (USD). Installation can be a bit tricky, so let us know how this diagnostic test goes.
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Thanks geezer , just for more info it does actually sound like the butterflies are constantly opening and closing for at least 10secs then it stops and I'm free to start it up and drive. It doesn't have alot of power at all and is alot slower. Would you say that is more leaning towards stva? Or should I still go down the c29 route aswell? Thanks again chuckster
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Yes, the issue points to the STVA. But, you don't just have C28, you have a C29 as well. A faulty STVA will give you C28 only. A missing sensor will give you C29 only. A sensor with some sort of internal short will give you both C28 and C29. So, solve C29 first and C28 might just go away on it's own.
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Guess what , Its fixed and feels powerful again.

It was a waterd and dirty ecu... now there's no error codes and the ignition start up is great. Throttle response is back to lighting... I'm extremely greatfull all the help.

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