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Unhappy Help please- 05 600- c13,c14, c21, c29 codes- solved(kinda)

Long story short: bike died, F1 light came on, kickstand was up, clicks when given power not the normal whine/pump priming, turns over just fine. I tightened down the ground lead on the battery and moved the main/large wire bundle and the bike started and ran fine, took it out and tried to hit a lil bump to see if it would cut off again and yup. juggled the wires again and she started again. I pulled codes(c13,14,21,29) and I'm thinking I have a bad ground cause these 4 code sensor share a common ground but where is it? That is my issue. So if anyone can point me to a connector cause I really don't want to have to tear into the bike too much, it would be greatly appreciated. I did start to do some digging last nite but it was dark and I was pissed so I just called it a nite

FYI... I have already printed out all of the wiring diagrams and routing pics I could find in hope to find something!

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If it were me. Start the bike up and start shaking small areas of wiring till it shuts off. That should give you a smaller area to look.
Also, how tight is the kickstand. It could be bouncing around while you ride. I had that issue.

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You need to be a little more definitive with your description of the problem.

Yes, I thought about a common ground problem with all those sensors but none of those sensors will stop the bike from starting and running in fail safe mode.

Also, none of these will keep the fuel pump from cycling. And you say the bike runs after you giggle it so the pump must be running. Which is it?

Have you checked the battery voltage with the bike off? If you are sure you have a good battery grounds and power connections, you may have a weak battery. Low voltage can cause the ECM to throw sensor codes.

A second guess would be to check the connectors on the ECM for moisture, damage or corroded pins.

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If it were me. Start the bike up and start shaking small areas of wiring till it shuts off. That should give you a smaller area to look.
Also, how tight is the kickstand. It could be bouncing around while you ride. I had that issue.

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I just shook the big bundle of cables so that's not a bad ideal branching off from there to try eliminate some of the connections, thanks. The kickstand is probably tighter than it should be, had that issue in the past(different bike) and don't want to run into it again lol.

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You need to be a little more definitive with your description of the problem.

Yes, I thought about a common ground problem with all those sensors but none of those sensors will stop the bike from starting and running in fail safe mode.

Also, none of these will keep the fuel pump from cycling. And you say the bike runs after you giggle it so the pump must be running. Which is it?

Have you checked the battery voltage with the bike off? If you are sure you have a good battery grounds and power connections, you may have a weak battery. Low voltage can cause the ECM to throw sensor codes.

A second guess would be to check the connectors on the ECM for moisture, damage or corroded pins.
ok...bike won't run correctly and I'm getting C13, 14, 21, 29.

so the bike will run if I give it gas and hold it, then it runs choppy and as soon as I let off it dies.

The fuel pump primes(sorry maybe I shouldn't have said cycles) but it's not the normal whine when the bike is first turned on, it's more of a clicking on and off sound than anything and after jiggling the wires everything sounded normal(everything clicked and the pump primed just fine) and the bike started right up and idled fine, throttle response was there, and the codes cleared reading C00. I rode it around the block and it died again, came home and checked the battery.

The battery was reading 12.84V and is brand new(gel). tightened the ground wire cause it was a lil bit loose, positive was good and after that doing that again she sounded ok and fired right up so I took her out again but she died. pulled over shook the wires and she fired right back up. got back home, just parked her and that's where I am now.

And thanks for the suggestion, I will check that for sure but what I am going to do when I get home is just start tracing wires at least, i'm really thinking it's a grounding issue but if not it's definitely electrical.
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With all those things acting up (the fuel pump is ECM controlled also) I would check the plugs into the ECM.
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Ok going to start with the ECU connector and if that doesn't do it I'll start tracing wires to see if there are any other connectors I may have missed.

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C13 = IAP, C14=TP, C21=IAT, and C29=STP.

B/Br wire is ground. They also share a ground with the TO, ECT, and AP sensors. So I doubt it's a ECU connection, or you'd be getting more codes. What sticks out to me immediately is that all four of these are really close together on the bike and the wires are bundled together. I would trace the bundle back to where they join the main harness, pull the wrapping and do some continuity testing.

But, did you do any work around the right side of the throttle body recently?
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C13 = IAP, C14=TP, C21=IAT, and C29=STP.

B/Br wire is ground. They also share a ground with the TO, ECT, and AP sensors. So I doubt it's a ECU connection, or you'd be getting more codes. What sticks out to me immediately is that all four of these are really close together on the bike and the wires are bundled together. I would trace the bundle back to where they join the main harness, pull the wrapping and do some continuity testing.

But, did you do any work around the right side of the throttle body recently?
Added a PC3 but I'm pretty sure I did that right and I didn't play with any of those sensor but I guess I could have moved something just right to cause this issue.


Well as a lil update, worked on her last nite and seem to have her back to normal but I didn't have time to take her out for any testing. Checked and squeezed every connector I could find(1 loose but pretty sure it was not related to any of these sensors), checked ECU connector and double checked the battery post. One thing that did stand out to me is that I also lost my low beam HID ballast, it's shot now but thank jebus I already have a new set up for that, I'm getting rid of the cheap ballast and upgrading to a Bi-xenon hi/lo bulb. I'm not sure what the fix was but like I said seems like she is ok now.

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I'm not sure what the fix was but like I said seems like she is ok now.
I hate when that happens. Not knowing what the problems was always leaves me wondering whether it is fixed or not.

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I hate when that happens. Not knowing what the problems was always leaves me wondering whether it is fixed or not.
Exactly! I'd rather know I fixed the problem then be miles out riding and it occurs again. Going to go home today and take her for a lil spin and keep my finger crossed!
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Added a PC, huh? Are you 100% sure you tapped the right wire? I've seen a lot of botched installs....
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Added a PC, huh? Are you 100% sure you tapped the right wire? I've seen a lot of botched installs....
Pretty sure I did, not the first time I've installed one and I did double check it yesterday too

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If I were to look at your bike, that's where I'd start. Make sure you didn't break a wire or something. It sounds to me like you certainly did something to that branch of the harness.
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If I were to look at your bike, that's where I'd start. Make sure you didn't break a wire or something. It sounds to me like you certainly did something to that branch of the harness.
Most likely just a loose connector but still not sure. I rode it in today with no issues. Just going to have to keep my eye on it for awhile and hope it doesn't happen again I guess.

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Pretty sure you botched the PC install. YouTube the installation for your bike and walk through the steps. Did you install to the top or bottom injectors? Just throwing that out there.


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Pretty sure you botched the PC install. YouTube the installation for your bike and walk through the steps. Did you install to the top or bottom injectors? Just throwing that out there.


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Nope didn't botch that, I'm really thinking it was just a loose connector since I went thru them all and just made sure they were tight I haven't had the issue return. I don't know or remember which one but one of them did click as I checked them.

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Pretty sure you botched the PC install. YouTube the installation for your bike and walk through the steps. Did you install to the top or bottom injectors? Just throwing that out there.


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Great advice.... considering the 05 600 doesn't have 2 sets of injectors
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Great advice.... considering the 05 600 doesn't have 2 sets of injectors
lol yup I kind of just that one alone SMH, didn't even want to get into it.

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