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Now I've got two bikes, I'm always flip flopping to modding each one.
Ok on the 2005 1K, I've got pipe and stock filter. Has typical blubbering at low rpm due to mapping stock with far less back pressure and no exhaust control valve.

I'm kinda stuck between the Bazzaz and the Power Commander.
Mainly, does the Power commander have plug in traction control system you can buy?(with sensors)
The Bazzaz TC isn't a true TC from what I understand, no wheel sensors and guys are seeing it activate under hard accel in 1st and throttle blips, often not seeing small amounts of tire slide.
Yoshimura had this same system early on because no sensors and piggy backed ECM made it basically legal. I'm wanting to spend my money on a Main control unit with the best add-ons.

I know both systems have an auto mapping plug in from O2 sensor.

In that aspect, the Bazzaz seems more affordable since it also adjusts all 8 injectors with no extra hardware to be bought.

Any input helpful. I know that's a lot to digest and respond too.

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The only experience I have is with the Bazzaz Fi w QS I put on the 750. It was a straight forward installation, just lots of connections.

I just put in the base map for my Yoshi slip on. The bike runs very well, but it also ran well before.

After a little troubleshooting, the QS is wonderful.

From what I understand, the TC system uses an algorithm to look at engine rpm increase over time. Any big jump in engine rpm it thinks is wheel slip and nannies the bike.

This would explain it maybe a blip triggering it, but I don't know why that would be a problem.

Activating on hard acceleration in 1st, sure sounds like a recipe for wheel spin.

Everything I've read about the Bazzaz TC speaks well of it within it's limitations.

Adding on a full blown TC system with wheel sensors, etc. and getting it to work right would be a project. Is anyone offering a bolt on system?

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There is a Gripone S3 unit available that has front and rear wheel sensors, anti-wheelie launch among other functions.
I saw this one at Ebay, but it doesn't come with the visual control unit sold separately.(laptop adjust, or visual unit)
From what I read it has 1-8 setting for wheel spin and 1-8 on how much power is cut from the fuel. It ties into injector lines, a guy did a write up on a Ducati and was using his in conjunction with a Power Commander.
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Well, I just purchased the Bazzaz Z-FI control unit. In a week or two, I'll purchase he Z-AFM with sensor. I think it will work fine for what I want.
Then I'll do the same to the track bike. 2 bikes=double the money

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Well, I just purchased the Bazzaz Z-FI control unit. In a week or two, I'll purchase he Z-AFM with sensor. I think it will work fine for what I want.
Then I'll do the same to the track bike. 2 bikes=double the money
With TC right?

I just got off the phone with Bazzaz regarding upgrading my bike with traction control.

The choices are:
Whole new system with the latest, greatest at about $850. (and sell my old unit)
Just buy a new box with TC that will plug into my harness for $400ish but no switch control or indicator but I can upgrade the ignition harness for $140 to get these functions.
It might be possible to reprogram my old unit to include the TC for $50 but they need the unit to know if that is possible.

I've always had pretty good traction control with my right hand, but the security blanket is interesting.

I'd be really interested in your experience when you are up and running with it.

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The article is a little old but still relevant.

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Then I'll do the same to the track bike. 2 bikes=double the fun!!
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I decided against the TC for now. Been researching it.
When it's time, I'm going to go with a full unit with wheel sensors.
I've got a bunch of suspension work to do before I get into that and step up my track ability some more, to fully utilize it.

When it's TC time, it'll be only my track bike I install on.

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Here's a quick question. I bought a Z-FI for each of my bikes yesterday. My 07 has the O2 sensor and my 05 doesn't.
I'm going to have an O2 bung welded onto the 05 midpipe.

I'm assuming I can use the one Z_AFM I purchased to map the 05, then pull off the Z-AFM and put it on the 07 to map it.
Since the adjustments are saved in the Z-FI, it seems logical to only buy one.
Anyone done this?
When I'm done with the 05, I'll leave the whole thing on the 07 trackbike so I don't have an open sensor wire.

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That sounds like a plan. I noticed even on my 4-5 year old unit that I have the plug in the harness next to the map select plug to use the AFM. Like you said, once the map is in the main unit, the AFM does nothing.

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I'll let you know hit goes. Should have both units by Saturday. I'll probably do the street bike first, since I have to do the track bike on the 13th this month at TWS trackday.

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I have the full ZFiTC but have only played with the TC a little. Got a great deal on a used one and it included the map switch and TC light. So far I have only seen the TC light come on when doing hard downshifts at the end of a straight.

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I'll let you know hit goes. Should have both units by Saturday. I'll probably do the street bike first, since I have to do the track bike on the 13th this month at TWS trackday.
I do not have the AFM unit for my bike, but I'm considering it. I'll be at VIR on the 15th with the base map from Bazzaz. The bike seems pretty happy on my test runs.

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I have the full ZFiTC but have only played with the TC a little. Got a great deal on a used one and it included the map switch and TC light. So far I have only seen the TC light come on when doing hard downshifts at the end of a straight.
I'm pretty sure this is one of limitations of the system. The believe the TC light is coming on because the algorithm is seeing a sudden increase in rpm with a closed throttle. It nannys the bike by retarding ignition timing so it can't help in this situation.

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I'm pretty sure this is one of limitations of the system. The believe the TC light is coming on because the algorithm is seeing a sudden increase in rpm with a closed throttle. It nannys the bike by retarding ignition timing so it can't help in this situation.
I like to think I'm pretty decent at rolling on smoothly coming out of a corner, so haven't grabbed a big handful to see what might happen either. Though I do wonder if it would have kicked in when I accidentally got into 1st at NCM and thought I was going to highside (before I had the Bazzaz).

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I've heard you can disable TC for first gear etc...

Well I installed the Z-FI on my 05 K1. There's been no clear info on what the unit comes with out of the box, they have the 2ndary toggle map switch plug connected with a loop wire(I didn't get the switch), assuming to disconnect opens other map.
So far it seems a little rich, no power gain I can tell and low rpm only slightly smoother. Definitely going to install the Z-AFM when it comes in and try that.
Most info I've seen is the base maps are garbage, comment after comment, but who knows it is the internet.

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Yes, If the jumper is plugged in, map #1, unplugged, map #2.

I really did not feel any power gain either with the base map. The bike was dynoed in stock condition and the tuner said it really did not need any significant modifications.

When I deleted the EXCA valve, I did feel a slight sag in power about 4-6k as I remember. That seems to be gone. Also, off idle response seems smoother. I've only test run it so far, I'll let you know when I track it on the 15th.

Two things I ran into on the install.

First was I was not getting any QS to 6th. Even though the cluster was indicated the gear correctly, the Bazzaz thought I was in 6th while in 5th. There is a gps set function in the Bazzaz software.
Click through the gears with the software running and make sure it agrees with the actual gear.

Also, the QS started throwing ignition coil codes. As suggested in other posts here, adjust the cuts to less then 60ms. Problem solved.

Stock setting was 80/65/55/50/45 and I adjusted them to 60/60/55/50/45 and it works very well.

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A few things to consider...

The AFM is only as good as the numbers you give it. If you tune for 12:1 or 15:1, that's still your call and will vary heavily depending on the quality and type of fuel you're using... this includes make and octane rating of pump gas. Here in CA the 'winter blend' changes things significantly. When using the AFM, the best way to ensure a quality tune it to put it up on a dyno. This is the only way you'll receive accurate feedback that the AFR numbers you're using are either helping or hurting the performance. Butt dynos, while cheap and we've all got them... don't tell you anything useful when it comes to engine performance.

As far as the traction control... yes, it looks at changes in RPM to adjust ignition timing or possibly just cutting random sparks... either can work.

While I was on the dyno tuning the fuel injection, I took dyno runs at 10%, 20%, 30%...etc. throttle positions and got tables of all the torque numbers. I then threw it all into excel and wrote a function to find where the torque increases with throttle and RPM changes. The bigger the increase, the more TC I added in that spot. For the map, I also only used between 3 and 7 instead of the full 0-10. This way the adjustment knob (available separately) could raise and lower the entire map's sensitivity a few notches before things begin to saturate.

The outcome? It works pretty well!

As my tires start to fall off during a race, I can dial in more TC and feel the difference, saving me from having to significantly adjust my riding style to suit the rear traction. At some point I'm dialed up to 10 and the whole map is completely saturated at 5s, but usually by then, the tire's toast anyway, so laptimes are way off pace anyway. Slap a new tire on, dial back to 0 and go at it for another couple races.....

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Thanks for the feedback Cable.

Good point that optimal AFM numbers do not necessarily translate to good performance and/or drivability.

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That is true, no specific AFM will be right everywhere.
Well, I did get the mid pipe pulled off and marked for sensor bung weld.
The Z-AFM showed up today, so I'll install and ride and map and see how everything feels.
I do suspect I will see a pretty big difference though.
Off idle and midrange. I doubt much at top, but you never know how bad it is right now.
If it's a pleasant surprise, I'll leave it like it is with Z-AFM settings.
But I do plan on Dyno my track bike...who knows, the street bike later as well.

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Had the O2 bung welded yesterday onto the 05 midpipe.
Installed the Z-AFM.
Verified all working good with program open.
Warmed up O2 sensor, hit "start" under mapping tab, and went for ride.
Had to plan out my country route with no car entries and long open road. As soon as I got to 13,500 in 6th, I shut her down and just cruised around back at the small town.
Rode back in, reconnected USB and opened program, clicked "stop", the "Retrieve", then applied settings.
I clicked the "AFR" tab and saw my AFR at all the different points.
I was rich almost everywhere. Kind of surprised me really.

Now my low RPM cruise is way smoother, no more whop whop whop before adding acel.

I still plan on getting a dyno tune later, but it's way better.

Now to install my Bazzaz unit and swap the Z-AFM onto the track bike.
Going to Texas World Speedway on the 13th, next Saturday, so I'll bring my laptop with me.
I'm gonna leave the end of the USB easily accessible so I can hook up very quickly after a couple sessions.

I'm curious how off it is, I've got a high flow pipe and a K&N and no EXCV. It should be quite noticeable.

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I was rich almost everywhere. Kind of surprised me really.
Richer on the base Bazzaz map or stock?

I asked because the base map is fatter almost everywhere on my K6 750.

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Richer on the base Bazzaz map or stock?

I asked because the base map is fatter almost everywhere on my K6 750.
LoL, I had forgotten I was on Bazzaz base map. It makes sense now.

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I wondered about the base map. There were lots of 10-15% increases.

As I mentioned, my bike was dynoed when I first got it and the tuner said that it was really close stock. I mainly got the Bazzaz for the QS.

I loaded a zero map in #2 and if the base is not working for me, I'll just go to stock.
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More fun today. Took off O2 sensor from 05 and plugged it. Pulled stock sensor off the 07 and suddenly realized stock sensor is not the same size as the Bazzaz sensor, Bazzaz is 18mm much larger.
If it rained girls, I'd get hit with a guy...anyway, I went to Oreilly's auto parts 30 miles away and got an 18mmx1.5 nut to weld onto the midpipe.
Marked it and drilled the hole. I'll probably weld it tonight.

Gonna have it ready for trackday, also met a cute chick online that lives in the same town where the trackday is, she's gonna meet me down there...pretty sweet huh?

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More fun today. Took off O2 sensor from 05 and plugged it. Pulled stock sensor off the 07 and suddenly realized stock sensor is not the same size as the Bazzaz sensor, Bazzaz is 18mm much larger.
If it rained girls, I'd get hit with a guy...anyway, I went to Oreilly's auto parts 30 miles away and got an 18mmx1.5 nut to weld onto the midpipe.
Marked it and drilled the hole. I'll probably weld it tonight.

Gonna have it ready for trackday, also met a cute chick online that lives in the same town where the trackday is, she's gonna meet me down there...pretty sweet huh?
Racer and cute chick sittin in a tree K I S S I N G.
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Did NOT see that coming.
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More fun today. Took off O2 sensor from 05 and plugged it. Pulled stock sensor off the 07 and suddenly realized stock sensor is not the same size as the Bazzaz sensor, Bazzaz is 18mm much larger.
If it rained girls, I'd get hit with a guy...anyway, I went to Oreilly's auto parts 30 miles away and got an 18mmx1.5 nut to weld onto the midpipe.
Marked it and drilled the hole. I'll probably weld it tonight.

Gonna have it ready for trackday, also met a cute chick online that lives in the same town where the trackday is, she's gonna meet me down there...pretty sweet huh?
Yes. The Bazzaz uses an automotive style O2 sensor.. they're way cheaper and easier to obtain.

This thread just became worthless without pics. and I'm not talking about the sensor bungs!

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Yes. The Bazzaz uses an automotive style O2 sensor.. they're way cheaper and easier to obtain.

This thread just became worthless without pics. and I'm not talking about the sensor bungs!



She just gave me her phone number, we were just chatting on a dating site message service. If she indeed shows up at the track, I'll get a picture of her on the bike and post it up. I should probably meet her first lol.
I'll tell her I'll take a picture of her on the track bike and send her the picture.
She's cute, I was relieved today when I noticed her profile said "athletic"

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So I rode VIR N yesterday and found a sporadic "herky jerky" problem with the generic Bazzaz map on the 750.

It didn't do it all the time, but usually after a high speed section with 3-4 seconds of throttle closed/braking before cracking the throttle back open. There was an annoying split second lag before the throttle came in.

I pulled the map plug to go back to my #2 null map at lunch and the bike worked great as usual.

My guess is that it might be flooding the engine somewhat on decel? The numbers are pretty fat at the low end of the map. Just my guess.

Time to get the bike to a dyno if I want to see any advantage from the unit.

BTW, the QS worked perfectly and was so much fun. I only screwed up the GP shift twice so there is hope for me!

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So I rode VIR N yesterday and found a sporadic "herky jerky" problem with the generic Bazzaz map on the 750.

It didn't do it all the time, but usually after a high speed section with 3-4 seconds of throttle closed/braking before cracking the throttle back open. There was an annoying split second lag before the throttle came in.

I pulled the map plug to go back to my #2 null map at lunch and the bike worked great as usual.

My guess is that it might be flooding the engine somewhat on decel? The numbers are pretty fat at the low end of the map. Just my guess.

Time to get the bike to a dyno if I want to see any advantage from the unit.

BTW, the QS worked perfectly and was so much fun. I only screwed up the GP shift twice so there is hope for me!
I think Ill get a dyno tune also eventually. Good thing the other map worked for you. It was hot as hell at TWS, might in the market for some white leathers very quickly.

P.S. the chick lied about her "athletic" body shape, more like "curvey" and that's usually putting it nicely. If that's true, Im a Bodybuilder on my profile.

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I think Ill get a dyno tune also eventually. Good thing the other map worked for you. It was hot as hell at TWS, might in the market for some white leathers very quickly.

P.S. the chick lied about her "athletic" body shape, more like "curvey" and that's usually putting it nicely. If that's true, Im a Bodybuilder on my profile.

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I think Ill get a dyno tune also eventually. Good thing the other map worked for you. It was hot as hell at TWS, might in the market for some white leathers very quickly.
It was mid 80s and bright sun all day in southern Virginia. I worked up a good sweat but at least the humidity was pretty low and some breeze. It was a good day.

The org had some Kawasaki demos available and I took a Ninja 300 out the last session. I had blast on it and saw 105 in the straight. It was the funniest thing, each time I tucked in closer, it popped up another mph. It was undersprung for my fat ass, so a little weird in the corners, but after a few laps I got used to it and probably wasn't much off the corner speed of the gsxr.

I also rode a 2017 Ninja 650 and that was like the comfort bike of track days
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P.S. the chick lied about her "athletic" body shape, more like "curvey" and that's usually putting it nicely. If that's true, Im a Bodybuilder on my profile.



So no pictures of her on the bike as previously promised then? Lol.



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So no pictures of her on the bike as previously promised then? Lol.



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The best way to tune with a Z-AFM is to sell it and get a real dyno tune. It's only mildly useful if you have zero tuners near you. Go put it on a dyno and have them use their wideband sensor, you'll see what I mean. The AFR is inaccurate at every throttle position and RPM, and it's not by a constant amount, so you can't simply adjust the commanded AFR to compensate. The numbers it generated were useless, and it ended up being easier to start from a blank fuel chart than it was to try to adjust what it had come up with.

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