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Experience Required GSXR750 vs 1000

Anyone have any seat time on a newer 2006 and up, preferably 08 750ís and 1000ís to give me a real idea of the handling differences? Looking at the Suzuki specs the chassis and weight are pretty close. -/+ 10 lbs.
Looking at buying a new gsxr but have not decided on the 750 or 1000. I am not beginner so the power is not an issue.
The best bike I ever had was my 00 750. With the new 1000ís having the power mode this could be a good option. However people Iíve spoke to or seen on line donít use the mode switch. The 750 has always been a great bike for handling. W/ the above stats youíd think the handling would be pretty close and w. some seat time be able to use the additional power of the 1000. So back to the question. Any one able to provide a real comparison?

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I can't give the answer you want since I haven't ridden either but if I was in the market for a liter I would look at the cbr 1000 (I read it weighs less than the 750). Personally, I would wait until the K9 comes out and make a decision from there.
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I have the 08 black orange 750 it handles like a dream inspires confidence in a rookie such as myself. I would recommend it espicially since u already have experience my good man.
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I have a k6 600 and the 600/750 pretty share the same body, and the 1000 is slightly heavier. As far as handling the 600/750 is easy to throw in the turns, very light and easy to toss around. The 1000 on the other hand obviously is a bit more twitchy especially coming out of a turn in which you are accelerating, however it takes a bit more effort to toss around unlike the 600/750 sizing. You can really feel the weight of the bike in comparison to the 600/750. personally the 750 would be an all around good street bike with power and handling being readily usable. The 1000 is power hungry and loves to be ridden fast. but then again how often are you going to utilize the power of the 1000 on the streets.

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I can't give the answer you want since I haven't ridden either but if I was in the market for a liter I would look at the cbr 1000 (I read it weighs less than the 750). Personally, I would wait until the K9 comes out and make a decision from there.
I have the 07 1000 and a good friend of mine has the 08 750. The 750 def feels smaller and lighter, But the 1000 still handles exceptionally well. Of course the 750 will be more of a "street friendly" bike, it just kind of depends on the power you're looking for. As far as the CBR...i know 3 people that have these new bikes and they said they regret selling their gsxrs for them. I personally havent ridden one but I havent heard anything good here locally besides all the magazine hype. At the end of the day its still a honda

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I have a k6 600 and the 600/750 pretty share the same body, and the 1000 is slightly heavier. As far as handling the 600/750 is easy to throw in the turns, very light and easy to toss around. The 1000 on the other hand obviously is a bit more twitchy especially coming out of a turn in which you are accelerating, however it takes a bit more effort to toss around unlike the 600/750 sizing. You can really feel the weight of the bike in comparison to the 600/750. personally the 750 would be an all around good street bike with power and handling being readily usable. The 1000 is power hungry and loves to be ridden fast. but then again how often are you going to utilize the power of the 1000 on the streets.
heard the 1k is only 10lbs heavier.
you'll outgrow the power of a 750, but a 1k has the beta top end.
in the 1k's, i like the zx10 myself, and the 07 looks even beta than the 08. a leftover 7 could be had for around $9k + tt&l.
they're all too cramped for me though, that's why i like the busa.
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I have not figured out how to reply to multiple quotes so here's a reply to a few.
Stats say the 1k is 10lbs heavier than the 750. ? is,is it enough to notice the dif? Not sure I'd outgrow the power of the 750. Would be running much higher rpms. I was running ~ 10k rpm in the twistied on my 00 750. Right in the meat of the power. A used ZX10( I know...) could be an option for a summer until the 1000's come out w/ a better design. 08's are growing on me. Waiting to see what the 09 looks like in person.
The 08 CBR - Not a big fan of Honda's. Had an 04 cbr1000. That was like riding a brick. Had to get off the bike and pull it down into the turns.
The busa is a bit large. Although one guy I ride w. weighs ~120 lbs and he throughs his 08 busa around.
Nikko - fully agree on the 750. My 00 750 handles better than the last 4 bikes I've had in the last 2 yrs.
04- cbr1000 , Heavy and slow in the turns. Fast in straight line
05 R1 - No mid range.Fast as hell once you got above 100 and get the rmp above 8.
01 gsxr 1000 - Too heavy in the front end. Power delivery was not smooth at all
03 R1- Close to my 750 but still not my 750. Plus the riding position is not as comfortable. My 750 you just look were you want to go. You could jam on the front break in the middle of a turn and it would remain stable.

I think I may look for a used 750 - 06/07 New bikes cost too much.
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I am in the same predicament as you, was initially leaning toward the 1000 K7 or K8 but then I started to think the 750 would be an all around better street bike because of the lighter weight and quicker handling. Funny thing is a couple of weeks ago I asked the exact same question you did, looking for someone who has ridden both bikes and could give a detailed answer comparing the two. I got one or two halfhearted responses. My main concern is that the 1000 is bigger and roomier, less cramped for a guy like me. I am 6'2 and 220 pounds, the 750 feels good to me but slightly more cramped than the 1000. I am waiting for the K9 1000 and 750 to see what they have done with it. If it is substantially different from the 08, then I will probably get the '09 1000 and put on a full Yosh or Akrapovic exhaust to drop about 20 pounds further. Suzuki is on track for a full redesign of the 1000 for '09, so we'll see what they come up with.
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For 09 the 1000 will be even smaller. There isn't any significant difference in size between the 600/750/1000 now. I remember the first time I saw an 05 1000; it looked smaller than my 05 600, and they have been getting smaller with each redesign, though they have also been gaining weight with each redesign since 01. Honda went from being the class porker to having a literbike that weighs significantly less than the GSXR600. Suzuki needs to get on the ball in weight loss too.


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you'll outgrow the power of a 750,

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I have got a 06 gsxr 1000 and love it, I will be getting the 09 when is comes out.

I could not go back to a 600/750 after having the 1000.

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I have owned a K1, K3, K4 and K6 1000, and in November 06 I traded the 1000 on a K6 750. It's the best bike I have ever owned. The sem fiddy is a lot more nimble than the 1000... it's a great bike in the twisties, and still has enough mumbo for me
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you'll outgrow the power of a 750
Only in his mind. Unless you drag race here and there, no one can "use" a 1000 on the street any more so compared to a 750. However, that's not his question. I would say if you want more kick in the seat of your pants then get the 1000. I personally love my 750 but it's a track only bike. I would agree that the 750 is the best all around street bike. The 1000 may have a couple lbs of torque and topend is not that much more (not that you can enjoy the topend more than a few seconds at a time).

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i have a k6 750 and love it, but looking at trading for a 1000 when a deal come along.

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I've got the 07 750 and I love it. I've ridden different bikes and buddies have ridden mine and we all agree it is the best all around bike on the streets. Unless you get on the highway or have little to no traffic where you live, you'll probably never use 1000 power anyway.

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I have owned a K1, K3, K4 and K6 1000, and in November 06 I traded the 1000 on a K6 750. It's the best bike I have ever owned. The sem fiddy is a lot more nimble than the 1000... it's a great bike in the twisties, and still has enough mumbo for me
I would give up the extra power of the 1000 for better handling in the twisties. My 00 750 handled a lot better than my 01 1000. Smoother, more controllable power too. Top end I think was ~ 170-175. I had it up to 160. That was fast enough.
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Heavily personal preference... but some considerations:

Weight ALONE is not the primary point. WHERE is the weight, and HOW does the DISPLACEMENT play a role?

The thousand has greater reciprocating mass WITHIN the motor, and THIS is part of what makes it "feel" heavier. (Less prone to LEAN as readily... more prone to STAND up in a turn, etc...) On a STRAIGHT or MOSTLY STRAIGHT road, there is LITTLE if ANY notable difference in dead weight between the two, BUT... the thou will reward at MUCH LOWER rider input relative "grunt" and "thrust". (You don't have to push it as hard.)

What TYPE of roads do YOU ride? WHERE do you ride? (Mountainous region? OHIO?)

If you live in an area where EVEN on the 750, you don't get into higher gears much or you tend to do a LOT of cornering, especially TIGHT corners, you may PREFER the way you can exercise the motor with less "risk" relative throttle control, and focus more heavily on the HANDLING pleasures of your ride. Where the 1000 requires MORE if not nearly ALL (at times) of your energy (focus/mind) to be spent on THROTTLE CONTROL!

As some will say... there is NO replacement for DISPLACEMENT...

...on the OTHER hand... the only replacement for TORQUE is HANDLING...

It's all about where and how you ride... not so much "which bike is better".

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Heavily personal preference... but some considerations:

Weight ALONE is not the primary point. WHERE is the weight, and HOW does the DISPLACEMENT play a role?

The thousand has greater reciprocating mass WITHIN the motor, and THIS is part of what makes it "feel" heavier. (Less prone to LEAN as readily... more prone to STAND up in a turn, etc...) On a STRAIGHT or MOSTLY STRAIGHT road, there is LITTLE if ANY notable difference in dead weight between the two, BUT... the thou will reward at MUCH LOWER rider input relative "grunt" and "thrust". (You don't have to push it as hard.)

What TYPE of roads do YOU ride? WHERE do you ride? (Mountainous region? OHIO?)

If you live in an area where EVEN on the 750, you don't get into higher gears much or you tend to do a LOT of cornering, especially TIGHT corners, you may PREFER the way you can exercise the motor with less "risk" relative throttle control, and focus more heavily on the HANDLING pleasures of your ride. Where the 1000 requires MORE if not nearly ALL (at times) of your energy (focus/mind) to be spent on THROTTLE CONTROL!

As some will say... there is NO replacement for DISPLACEMENT...

...on the OTHER hand... the only replacement for TORQUE is HANDLING...

It's all about where and how you ride... not so much "which bike is better".

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Very true. I would take a new 600 with pimp aftermarket suspension componants for handling and cornering vs. the cost of a new stock 1000.

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For 09 the 1000 will be even smaller. There isn't any significant difference in size between the 600/750/1000 now. I remember the first time I saw an 05 1000; it looked smaller than my 05 600, and they have been getting smaller with each redesign, though they have also been gaining weight with each redesign since 01. Honda went from being the class porker to having a literbike that weighs significantly less than the GSXR600. Suzuki needs to get on the ball in weight loss too.
I gotta disagree with you there, there is a big difference between the 600/750 and 1000's sizewise. The 1000 is bigger, longer, heavier, and feels it. The 600 and 750 are the same size.
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I gotta disagree with you there, there is a big difference between the 600/750 and 1000's sizewise. The 1000 is bigger, longer, heavier, and feels it. The 600 and 750 are the same size.
The difference between the 750 and 1000 is minimal. We're talking .2" in overall length, .2" overall width, seat height is same, ground clearance is the same, .4" difference (that less than half an inch) in wheelbase, and 11lbs overall in weight. You can attribute almost all 11lbs the 1000 has over the 750 due to extra tire size, the 530 chain/sprockets, and the exhaust. The real difference is in the motor specs (HP/torque).

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The difference between the 750 and 1000 is minimal. We're talking .2" in overall length, .2" overall width, seat height is same, ground clearance is the same, .4" difference (that less than half an inch) in wheelbase, and 11lbs overall in weight. You can attribute almost all 11lbs the 1000 has over the 750 due to extra tire size, the 530 chain/sprockets, and the exhaust. The real difference is in the motor specs (HP/torque).
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The difference between the 750 and 1000 is minimal. We're talking .2" in overall length, .2" overall width, seat height is same, ground clearance is the same, .4" difference (that less than half an inch) in wheelbase, and 11lbs overall in weight. You can attribute almost all 11lbs the 1000 has over the 750 due to extra tire size, the 530 chain/sprockets, and the exhaust. The real difference is in the motor specs (HP/torque).
You are right- the differences are minimal. But you can sure feel them when you sit on the bikes, and when you ride them. Thats all I was saying.
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You are right- the differences are minimal. But you can sure feel them when you sit on the bikes, and when you ride them. Thats all I was saying.
No doubt about that, it's a beast if ridden by someone without the right mindset and/or experience. Todays 1000's are easily ridden by newbies. There's a big difference the way the power comes on if you compare a 1000 vs a 600/750. The difference between the 600 and 750 is less noticeable than the difference between the 750 and 1000. With the wrong rider on it, it doesn't matter, 600 or 1000 somebody is going to get hurt or get dead. I've only ridden 1000's on a track and I'm no punk on the track but the 1000's are still amazing. When I watch my fellow racers on 1000's that are built up it's even more scary to imagine the unforgiveness of that bike if you input something that isn't right. I sometimes think of how my racer friends ride their liters bikes on the track and see the exact bikes on the street with owners that don't have a clue to what they are sitting on as far as potential goes...makes me want to laugh.

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Interesting...I just sold my 04 750. The best bike ever made in my humble and inexperienced opinion (I've only ridden a few bikes...r1, zx10, gsxr6000, and cbr600). My next bike will most likely be an 06 gsxr 1000 (hopefully gray and black) I have never rode an 05 06 1000, and i hope i'm making the right decision. The specs don't make it seem like it's going to be too much to handle in the turns as far as tossability. The 04-05 750s are feel porkier than any new bike...so I don't think that the 06 1000 will feel that much heavier. Any input is appreciated...I just hope stepping up to the 1000 is the right decision.


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Heavily personal preference... but some considerations:

Weight ALONE is not the primary point. WHERE is the weight, and HOW does the DISPLACEMENT play a role?

The thousand has greater reciprocating mass WITHIN the motor, and THIS is part of what makes it "feel" heavier. (Less prone to LEAN as readily... more prone to STAND up in a turn, etc...) On a STRAIGHT or MOSTLY STRAIGHT road, there is LITTLE if ANY notable difference in dead weight between the two, BUT... the thou will reward at MUCH LOWER rider input relative "grunt" and "thrust". (You don't have to push it as hard.)

What TYPE of roads do YOU ride? WHERE do you ride? (Mountainous region? OHIO?)

If you live in an area where EVEN on the 750, you don't get into higher gears much or you tend to do a LOT of cornering, especially TIGHT corners, you may PREFER the way you can exercise the motor with less "risk" relative throttle control, and focus more heavily on the HANDLING pleasures of your ride. Where the 1000 requires MORE if not nearly ALL (at times) of your energy (focus/mind) to be spent on THROTTLE CONTROL!

As some will say... there is NO replacement for DISPLACEMENT...

...on the OTHER hand... the only replacement for TORQUE is HANDLING...

It's all about where and how you ride... not so much "which bike is better".

g/l

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Great info. Given the fact that the chassis is almost the same and 10 lbs dif. the power is the key question on how well the 1000 handles vsd the 750. I was able to test drive a 1000 for short ride. Not enogh to get a real feel for it and only in a straight line. The motor is smooth. The R1 I have I can ride like my 750 in the twisties. About the same weight. More power. The weight on my cbr1000 was a problem, not so much the power.
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you will not outgrow power of a 750 but you will crave for more..
just get the 1000 07 or 08 and you will have the choice of a,b,c mode which is comparable to a 600, 750, 1000

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you will not outgrow power of a 750 but you will crave for more..
just get the 1000 07 or 08 and you will have the choice of a,b,c mode which is comparable to a 600, 750, 1000
I was thinking the 1000 just for that reason. You have the option to change the power. But, if the 750 handles that much better it's a tough choice. I was ready for more power when I upt from the 750 to the 1000.
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