Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

I was looking for an article I read a long time ago about nice guys. It stated that most often nice guys weren't nice at all they just think they are. I figured it would be the perfect article to post. While searching for it I found this and decided to get your opinion on it. I often think I know people and the harsh reality of life but my co-workers think I'm far too jaded. They think the world is far too sweet and I'm not sure witch of us is incorrect Your input on this article will help me to gauge my jaded meter. Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him." I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea." If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it. What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him. Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life... Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure. Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date". They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them. They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him. Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one. Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner. Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here." The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?" More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip! Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results. This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love". Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF. You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

Im a nice guy...but thats just too f*ing much crap to read. I didnt even see a single motorcycle reference...... :2hard

I agree with that 100%!!!

For some reason, I cant find a nice guy... I always date non-caring, self destructive dirtbags (BTW--- by that Post above Mr. nice guy sounds gay)

i read the first few lines. im not a nice guy. i have never been a nice guy and will never be a nice guy. they will always finish last. im a dick most of the time. girls a strange. if you treat them good all the time, they take advantage. I just play it cool. as long as the guy has confidence, hes golden.

Ouch... http://www.zombiebattalion.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/nutkick.gif

I will have to say that a lot of that is true.

Haha :lol: I used to be a super dick without knowing it, that wasn't cool. not many people liked that, especially women.. And I tried to be super nice, then I felt 'gay'. Now, Im just the way I am whether you like me or not, I don't give a shit. Sometimes Im a super dick, sometimes Im nice. and sometimes, I dont give a shit. Ow yeh, this thread isn't about motorcycles... This sounds more of a bitch' thread. it's all good.

aint gonna read that novel you wrote, but by the title im guessin your sayin "nice guys" are always insecure shy pussys who complain about not gettin girls or gettin ditched by thier girl when they did 'nothin wrong' and were always 'so nice' to thier gf or w/e......its the truth. Thats why nice guys finish last, girls dont want a pussy who will get the door for them or cuddle all night and talk about how they feel, they might say they do but in reality its bullshit. If im off on my guess oh well but thats my take on 'nice guys'.

I will have to say that a lot of that is true. +1

Perception is everything. How you are viewed by friends, family, co-workers, and women can be defined by how you present yourself. BUT, every one of those groups and individuals will have something different to say about you based largely on social and economic status. That said, I'm with PHiBRELiNX, I am who I am, I'm where I want to be, I'm doing exactly what I want to do with my life and if someone of either persuasion doesn't like me...I won't lose a winks sleep over it. :cheers:

Nice guys=men who have been suckled too long.

I will have to say that a lot of that is true. :thumbup:

that shit is true, its all a mental game... btw, your putting the pussy on a pedestal. Your building the pussy up. It's the goddess, Pussyliya.

that shit is true, its all a mental game... btw, your putting the pussy on a pedestal. Your building the pussy up. It's the goddess, Pussyliya.LOL..40 year old virgin..funny shit man!

If I was a nice guy my girlfriend would walk on me every f***ing day but luckily for me im not that nice or i would have to cop a daliy bashing to go with it if she ( goes out with a nice guy she says there boring then tells me i should be nice no thanks do you want to go out with a boring bitch) :2hard

I'm an arrogant cocky prick............ Works everytime. :D

im a nice guy who will rip out your heart if i have too so am i still nice :hmmm:

I read the whole thing, and agree that a lot of that is true. Hell it was me for a few years in my mid twenties hehe. I wasn't quite the "quintessential" nice guy as described in the first post, but had many of the characteristics described in it. I actually noticed quite a bit of it myself and changed. Here is what I learned about it from BEING a nice guy. Usually these type of situations arise from a girl that you have no chemistry with. Great friends, sure, but romantic chemistry is lacking. Although guys think they can be anything they want to be, often it doesn't work. I remember thinking that I could treat her so much better than her past boyfriends, but it is all useless if there is no chemistry. In short, I liked them and they didn't like me as much. A guy who didn't fit into this demographic would most likely just try hard to have sex with the girl and then bail, or jsut bail right off the bat. So I kind of go by chemistry now. If you take a nice guy as described in the first post and introduce him to a woman who he has chemistry with, the whole nice guy "persona" goes away. Its not the nice guy that causes it to fail, its the two people not being equally attracted to each other. I know this is true because I changed myself, and can now see the situations that would have in the past sent me into this "nice guy" type of attitude, and be totally useless. Now I'm able to recognize it and just not put the effort into it if the woman isn't willing to either. I really realized this when I discovered what it is that I want in a woman. I want a woman who I think of as an equal. Its no fun to have women who constantly agree, or lean on you ALL the time. As I'm sure women want the same, hence they don't get it from "nice guys" as described in the first post. Its a sure fire way to ruin a relationship. I will however agree that nice guys tend to move too fast. Where other guys may move too fast by trying to get the girl in the sack, "nice guys" treat the budding relationship like they've been with the girl for months or years. The whole idea of "taking it slow" works for both kinds of guys. Anyway. Just some personal experiences from someone who is STILL a nice guy, just a more educated "nice guy."

I'd have to agree with the above.. I am one of those nice guys sorta. Im polite,have manners,show respect,and MATURE, kinda etc. I treat them like I would like to be treated. I don't have the 'hot' looks, so im left with being nice and whatnot. what annoys me and also puts us nice guys finishing last, Is most chicks now adays like the complete moron that doesnt have a clue, ( and no offense to anyone on here that fits that bill or is what i'll be describing) they tend to go for the dude with no money, crap car, bums off his parents, treats people typically like shit, thinks everyone outside his 'circle' isn't worthy, And most guys know and can spot this smuck a mile away. So yea Im the decent nice guy instead of the gold chain, honda civic with half primered car with the gay as 4 foot wide chromed tailpipe, thumping rap with the baseball hat sideways. So Im shafted cause I have standards and treat woman with respect.

they tend to go for the dude with no money, crap car, bums off his parents, treats people typically like shit, thinks everyone outside his 'circle' isn't worthy, And most guys know and can spot this smuck a mile away. So yea Im the decent nice guy instead of the gold chain, honda civic with half primered car with the gay as 4 foot wide chromed tailpipe, thumping rap with the baseball hat sideways. So Im shafted cause I have standards and treat woman with respect. Dude don't worry about chumps like that. The only women that are dating these morons are 16-19 year old losers that just want to piss their parents off or they're trying too hard to be cool. I used to fit the "nice guy" bill pretty well myself til I learned it doesn't work :lol: . I just got married but I used to get around pretty good, and believe me I'm not a super pretty-boy type but I keep myself in excellent shape and try to radiate a little confidence. I learned how being cocky and really edgy worked by hanging out with my best friend from HS. He is about 6'5" and pretty boy as hell. He is a model for Paul Mitchell hair products. I've seen him walk up to women and say "what's up ho's" and he'd end up taking two of them home. How can you call a girl a ho and then take her home, well if she has any sense of humor she'll know you're just fucking with her so it's really no biggie. Hell i'll say stupid shit after knowing a girl for a 1/2 hour. I'll ask her if she's "ready to see my balls yet" or some other dumb crap and if she knows you're joking she'll laugh. If she gets offended or is like WTF I'll just say I was gonna take her bowling later and remind her to keep her mind out of the gutter. I could go on and even tell you some crazy stories but this would be a long post. It all boils down to the first inpression so that's what needs to be good. Remember to have fun and be a little different and she'll dig you. If you turn out to be a nice guy she'll still dig you......... just don't ever get boring :lol: .

For some reason, I cant find a nice guy... I always date non-caring, self destructive dirtbags (BTW--- by that Post above Mr. nice guy sounds gay) If one of those girls are you in that pic its hard to believe you can't find a good man. Your to damn fine for bull****. I also have to say any women that ride rockets are just simply the best. I have a few woman that ride in my crew and they are a blast and look great on bikes i must say. :thumbup:

i agree that nice guys are losers.. you need to have a healthy balance cuz i know a lotta girls who take advantage of that nice treatment when u do it alllll the time.

[QUOTE=swtlisa78]For some reason, I cant find a nice guy... I always date non-caring, self destructive dirtbags Im so with you on this one :damn:

Most women want badboys for fun & not something for the long haul. When a women decides to settle down, that's when she will want a man that will treat her with respect. The majority of women you find at clubs/bars aren't there to find Mr. Right. They are there to find some fun. You'd be surprised at how many females have one nighters. Sometimes, they're not even interested in knowing what the guys name is. They will just refer you to there friends as that guy I met that one night at the club & had wild sex in the VIP room.

I was looking for an article I read a long time ago about nice guys. It stated that most often nice guys weren't nice at all they just think they are. I figured it would be the perfect article to post. While searching for it I found this and decided to get your opinion on it. I often think I know people and the harsh reality of life but my co-workers think I'm far too jaded. They think the world is far too sweet and I'm not sure witch of us is incorrect Your input on this article will help me to gauge my jaded meter. Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him." I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea." If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it. What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him. Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life... Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure. Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date". They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them. They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him. Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one. Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner. Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here." The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?" More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip! Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results. This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love". Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF. You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible. I thought I was a nice guy till I read that.... now I'm sure I'm a fucking prick! LOL

Word. Not a bad read :thumbup:

I was looking for an article I read a long time ago about nice guys. It stated that most often nice guys weren't nice at all they just think they are. I figured it would be the perfect article to post. While searching for it I found this and decided to get your opinion on it. I often think I know people and the harsh reality of life but my co-workers think I'm far too jaded. They think the world is far too sweet and I'm not sure witch of us is incorrect Your input on this article will help me to gauge my jaded meter. Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him." I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea." If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it. What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him. I consider myself to be a "nice guy," and while this is true for some it's not true for all. If I give someone a gift, I do it as a show of affection, or as you put it, a "pleasure of giving." I won't disagree that people obviously like to be liked, but I'm sure some people go way overboard. Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life... Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure. Again, while this is true of some, it's not true of all. Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date". As I mentioned before, while this is true of some men, it's not true of all men. I've never tried to buy "affections" by showering women with presents. Timing? Each woman is different. A lot of men don't "make the first move" because they don't want to seem like they're only out to hijack the pooty. If a man doesn't "act," then he's considered either "uninterested" or just simply doesn't like that woman. It's a lose-lose situation. They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them. They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him. WHO makes up this shit? :confused: I don't think men consider putting aside their own needs aside to "worship" their woman. In my case, I would put aside some of my "needs" for nothing more than to compromise. Women do the same exact thing. I've NEVER "clinged" to a woman for fear that she might become attracted to someone else. That just comes across as "psycho-loser." I can't speak for how other men act..... Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one. A lot of men see this as "compromise." My wife and I had this discussion that I leave decision-making to her on things like financial issues and what's for dinner. As for the financial issues, I've already fucked up with balancing the checkbook a few times, and SHE is the one that told me, "For now on, I'll do the finances!" As for dinner, I simply JUST DON'T CARE what's for dinner. It's not a matter of being "weak" or putting a burden on her. :) I simply just....don't give a shit! :D Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner. A "nice guy" that doesn't "speak up" isn't a "nice guy." He's a freakin' wuss. I expect to be met halfway, and I make that quite clear. If I treat someone with respect then I expect the same in return. Yeah, I'm a nice guy, but don't "step on my toes." By not "speaking up" it's only going to cause animosity in the relationship. Iron things out as they come up. It's called "communication." Amen! Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here." That's the biggest line of bullshit I've read in a long time. :) The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?" I've never tried to be the "best person" for my wife, or other previous women I've had relationships with. Sure, I try to "be the best," but not the "best for her." I just value relationships and work hard to maintain them. I've never tried to be a woman's "perfect guy." :) It's a fact of life that we're always going to find other people attractive, even when in a happy relationship. We all look. We all wonder if we'd be happier with someone else. There's a saying that goes, "The grass is always greener on the other side." More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip! I can't remember ever "needing" a woman. The only thing I was "needing" was a piece of ass. :D A woman responsible for my happiness? PUH-LEEZ. Maybe those other "insecure" guys that you're speaking of. :) Much agreed on the "get a grip." If that's the case, that dude's just a freakin' loser. Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results. I find it hard to believe that the majority of men want a "sympathy case." I don't mind being the "shoulder to cry on" from time to time, but I can't stand emotionally "fragile" women. I can't speak for other men..... This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love". Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF. You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible. Amen!

i thought the article was good and i use to be a nice guy also dated a girl for 4 years then she cheated on me well after that i said fuck it no more nice and you know where it got me in the mayors house doing both his daughters on his bed :bounce lets just say he got my vote

i thought the article was good and i use to be a nice guy also dated a girl for 4 years then she cheated on me well after that i said fuck it no more nice and you know where it got me in the mayors house doing both his daughters on his bed :bounce lets just say he got my vote :lol: Now all that's left is to fuck his wife! :lol:

One. Looks like you are reading David Deangelo or one of his side kicks like Derek Vitalo or Swingcat. Two. A lot is true. Women dojn't want someone to kiss their ass and the main reason is they are approached every day dozens of times. The key concept here is PRIZING. Are you the prize or is she the prize. She can be, but you cannot let her know. Ever have a girl who always doted on you, called you, and emailed you dozens of times... Women get that but 10 times worse... Be confident, a little cocky, but not arrogant. Be the funniest guy they know and be yourself. Don't be afraid to make decisions... as well as when they do all those stupid little tests, and trust me, they do, though some don't know they do it... call them on it.

One. Looks like you are reading David Deangelo or one of his side kicks like Derek Vitalo or Swingcat. Two. A lot is true. Women dojn't want someone to kiss their ass and the main reason is they are approached every day dozens of times. The key concept here is PRIZING. Are you the prize or is she the prize. She can be, but you cannot let her know. Ever have a girl who always doted on you, called you, and emailed you dozens of times... Women get that but 10 times worse... Be confident, a little cocky, but not arrogant. Be the funniest guy they know and be yourself. Don't be afraid to make decisions... as well as when they do all those stupid little tests, and trust me, they do, though some don't know they do it... call them on it. Good point. While some women are divas and love to be pampered and worshipped, a lot of women find it to be nothing short of annoying. I'll be honest, I open the car door for my wife, or open a store door so she can go through first, but that's just a dead practice called "chivalry." I've just always seen my dad do it for my mother, so I guess I've just followed suit. I don't consider it "worshipping" my wife, but it's simply just a nice gesture. As for the tests, oh yes. You're definitely right. They're ALWAYS trying to test you! Maybe I'm different, but I just believe in meeting people "half way." Whether it's from my wife, or from friends. If a buddy's working on his car on a Saturday afternoon I'll offer to come over and help out. While I don't keep score, it's always nice to receive a cool gesture in return. I'm sure we've all had those "1-way friends" before.....

Wow, thanks Sucker Punch and Maui. Your contributions are both very sound and I agree with them 99.44%. Only thing I would contest is when just trying to get a female in the sack. I do that shit as quick as possible, the thing I hate most is when a piece of ass thinks she's more than that. I'm a good person by nature. More so to male associates than females but occasionally there are one or two that are different from the masses. A little off from what I was saying but my point is. If you're trying to fuck a piece of ass and she is just that the longer you take to hit it the more she may believe she's worth more. This is actually a great thing and she should assert her self and let men know she won't be her daily fuck. I'll even help her but, not on my time. A POA is just that hit it as quickly as possible so she doesn't get confused. If she wants to change her image she should do so with other guys. When she starts to bring that shit in to what you've got going you shed a tear and tell her you thought she had potential and then bounce. The answer to nice guy syndrome; options as long as you have them what ever goes on with one fling doesn't have too much impact. You just say to your self, "No more shakes and fries for you!" and keep it moving. You're now free to see your other three girls more. Life's great huh...

Wow, thanks Sucker Punch and Maui. Your contributions are both very sound and I agree with them 99.44%. Only thing I would contest is when just trying to get a female in the sack. I do that shit as quick as possible, the thing I hate most is when a piece of ass thinks she's more than that. I'm a good person by nature. More so to male associates than females but occasionally there are one or two that are different from the masses. A little off from what I was saying but my point is. If you're trying to fuck a piece of ass and she is just that the longer you take to hit it the more she may believe she's worth more. This is actually a great thing and she should assert her self and let men know she won't be her daily fuck. I'll even help her but, not on my time. A POA is just that hit it as quickly as possible so she doesn't get confused. If she wants to change her image she should do so with other guys. When she starts to bring that shit in to what you've got going you shed a tear and tell her you thought she had potential and then bounce. The answer to nice guy syndrome; options as long as you have them what ever goes on with one fling doesn't have too much impact. You just say to your self, "No more shakes and fries for you!" and keep it moving. You're now free to see your other three girls more. Life's great huh... Well, I was never the type to go out and fuck every woman that threw herself at me. I've turned down plenty. Goddamned morals! :2hard Honestly, I'd rather sleep with someone that I had feelings for (yeah, I know....I'm a bitch :D), but I've done the "hit it and quit it" routine a time or two. :D While the sex was alright, it was just a lot better when I gave a shit about the person I was sleeping with and they gave a shit about me. ;)

Well, I was never the type to go out and fuck every woman that threw herself at me. I've turned down plenty. Goddamned morals! :2hard Honestly, I'd rather sleep with someone that I had feelings for (yeah, I know....I'm a bitch :D), but I've done the "hit it and quit it" routine a time or two. :D While the sex was alright, it was just a lot better when I gave a shit about the person I was sleeping with and they gave a shit about me. ;) with that u get quality women instead of quantity :thumbup: I've always been known to date the bad boy types.. but ended with a nice guy and love him to death! I cant get enough of him... bad boys = not long term nice guys = marriage material I absolutly adore my current BF and would do anything for him.... :thumbup: Except PIITB

Good point. While some women are divas and love to be pampered and worshipped, a lot of women find it to be nothing short of annoying. I'll be honest, I open the car door for my wife, or open a store door so she can go through first, but that's just a dead practice called "chivalry." I've just always seen my dad do it for my mother, so I guess I've just followed suit. I don't consider it "worshipping" my wife, but it's simply just a nice gesture. As for the tests, oh yes. You're definitely right. They're ALWAYS trying to test you! Maybe I'm different, but I just believe in meeting people "half way." Whether it's from my wife, or from friends. If a buddy's working on his car on a Saturday afternoon I'll offer to come over and help out. While I don't keep score, it's always nice to receive a cool gesture in return. I'm sure we've all had those "1-way friends" before..... There is nothing wrong with being chivalrous etc... But for example, I generally will not take a woman on a first date to an expensive restaurant. I let her know up front I want to get to know her and see if she is someone for me. Women who balk at this are users and are looking for your wallet and not you. That is not to say there are not nice dinners and luxuries in the future, but after I have decided we are at that point. Likewise, I will not fawn over a woman when I first meet here and tell her how beautiful she is and how lucky I am to be with her... You do this... You have lost 99.99% of the time. You have just told her that she is the prize and she starts to see you as the lesser person.

with that u get quality women instead of quantity :thumbup: I've always been known to date the bad boy types.. but ended with a nice guy and love him to death! I cant get enough of him... bad boys = not long term nice guys = marriage material I absolutly adore my current BF and would do anything for him.... :thumbup: Except PIITB Actually, what I ended up attracting were fat girls. :hmmm:

Actually, what I ended up attracting were fat girls. :hmmm: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: are u trying to call me fat??!?!?!!? :twofinger

Actually, what I ended up attracting were fat girls. :hmmm: Oh yeah... I feel sad when ever I have profiles up on online dating sites.. I talk about loving to ride, to race, to scuba dive, etc... And most of the women who write are obese, spend their time watching real tv, and really are not outgoing people. I am sure they are nice, wonderful and sweet, but lifestyle wise, we will be a total conflict. I hate writing the "you seem nice, but we are not a good fit" emails

There is nothing wrong with being chivalrous etc... But for example, I generally will not take a woman on a first date to an expensive restaurant. I let her know up front I want to get to know her and see if she is someone for me. Women who balk at this are users and are looking for your wallet and not you. That is not to say there are not nice dinners and luxuries in the future, but after I have decided we are at that point. Likewise, I will not fawn over a woman when I first meet here and tell her how beautiful she is and how lucky I am to be with her... You do this... You have lost 99.99% of the time. You have just told her that she is the prize and she starts to see you as the lesser person. The ONLY time I EVER told a woman how beautiful she looked was on my wedding day. ;) I consider myself a "nice guy," and I'm pretty easy to get along with (most of the time), but one thing I WILL NOT stand for are ultimatums. I do what I want when I want. If a woman can't accept the fact that I have interests in my life other than her, I want nothing to do with her. Before I met my wife, I dated this girl for about 2.5 years. She was the "poster-puppydog." When I wasn't with her I had to be on the phone with her, and she constantly needed reassurance that I cared about her. Well, despite being with her for 2.5 years, that relationship was over about halfway through the course of that 2.5 years. I simply didn't want to hurt her feelings. Well, one day she gave me the fantastic excuse to ditch her, and I capitalized on it- big time. I had just purchased my 1994 Camaro (it was 1996) and I was really excited. for 10 years I had wanted a Camaro, and I had FINALLY gotten one! Well, on my Saturday mornings I liked to spend time with my Camaro, doing the usual like washing, waxing, etc. She got upset one night and told me, "I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THAT FUCKING CAR! I'VE HAD IT WITH IT! YOU LOVE THAT FUCKING CAR MORE THAN YOU LOVE ME (actually, at that point I did :D)! YOU HAVE YOUR CHOICE! YOU CAN EITHER HAVE ME OR YOU CAN HAVE THAT CAR, BUT YOU'RE NOT HAVING BOTH!" Well, I IMMEDIATELY jumped up and said, "I'm going to go spend some quality time with my Camaro. Have a nice life." :arsenal I don't think I could've jumped up any quicker! :lol: By that time I had already been talking to my now-wife (who I met over the Net). We had been sending Emails back and forth for about 1.5 months by this time, and even talking on the phone (she lived in WI, I lived in DE). 3 weeks later my now-wife invited me to drive to Milwaukee and meet her (when I got a few days off from work). Well, I did just that. I packed some shit, and I hit the highway. I told her I would stay for about 3 days, but I just never left. :lol: Now, nearly 10 years later, we're living in Frederick, Maryland. :D My wife doesn't understand the "need for speed" thing, or even my attraction to cars and bikes, for that matter, but one thing she does is respect my hobbies. Anybody that cares about someone would not try to take them away from the things that they love (within reason). I can understand if someone was trying to get someone to stop doing drugs or something, but as for "normal" hobbies, I don't think that applies. I like to see my wife happy, and she likes to see me happy. She knows that my cars make me happy, and will even participate in washing/waxing them from time to time. :) Unfortunately, I don't think she's "along for the ride" (no pun intended) with the motorcycle. She knows the risks involved (as do I), so I'm trying to meet a compromise with her that I would only ride in controlled environments (ie: the track). And BTW, just because I'm a "nice guy" doesn't mean I won't speak up for myself. ;) I have no problem with speaking my mind. The only difference is that I'm tactful about it. ;)

Definitely agree with you there... There is something to be said for having A SPINE. Seriously the other thing I hate are women FISHING for compliments. I do web work for a leather fashion company and am lucky enought to go on some of the catalog shoots. I remember a couple of years ago I was in NYC shooting some behind the scenes video and one of the models, Alison, comes over to me, does some of the gratuitous butt poses, and all and then stated how she loved the pants but thought they made her a$$ look fat... Trust me... She was a 5'11" size 4 who did not have a fat a$$ and this was just a compliment fish. I bit my tongue and said... Nah... look perfect... where otherwise I would have made a smart a$$ joking comment letting her know that I was not going to give a compliment just because she was looking for one. One of my favorites to that is... "A lot of guys like the J-Lo look" YOU MUST... and again... MUST finish this off with a funny face so you let them know you are zinging them for fishing for a compliment and NOT saying their ass is fat.. unless it really is...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: are u trying to call me fat??!?!?!!? :twofinger Your riding vest makes you look quite plump. :D Just kidding! Seriously though, it seems like "nice guys" are "fat girl magnets." I won't say that I wouldn't date someone that's overweight. I have no problem with it, as long as that other person isn't one of those belly-kicking slobs. I definitely DO have my standards, but honestly, a pretty face is more important to me than a model's body. And yes, personality does matter. Someone could be "Salma Hayek-hot" and if she's a bitch, then I want nothing to do with her (I'd just fuck her and afterwards tell her to "get the fuck out," just to be mean. :D) My wife is heavy. She's not a total lardass, but she is overweight. That's fine. She's a great person, and nobody's perfect. This woman has stood by me through thick and thin, and it hasn't always been "smooth sailing." She is the ONLY person that has made some serious sacrifices for me. I can't even begin to mention the sacrifices she's made for me (I have some health issues that would've chased A LOT of women off). She's stood by my side, driven me to the ER on more than 10 occassions, taken off work to help me, etc. She has really "gone the distance." I owe more than I could ever give to this woman. If she ballooned out to 400 lbs, fine; I'd still love her (I would definitely NOT be happy about that....), and stand by her.

... And people wonder why I am still single... :laughingr :laughingr :laughingr

Sucker Punch, I was elaborating to the portion of Maui's reply about just hitting it or being in it for just sex. I've rarely done one night stands but I've often had just sexual partners. I feel if you're waiting for the one you can be lonely for quite some time. In the mean time handle your business. When that potential mate comes along you're not clouded or worshipping the goddess pussilyia because you've got options. Just my opinion, I'd kill to have the RIGHT woman but until we bump in to each other I refuse to hold my dick in my hand. Doesn't mean I won't have committed relationships either but those are hard to come by as well. Where I'm from just seeing people seems to be the desired thing. People usually want to become monogamous when the fell they've found a partner that they are shocked they have. I'd say most are looking for so much in a mate if they ever find them that person is probably looking for just as much or more in a mate. Every one tends to shot high and mistreat the people they deal with and feel are on a lower level.

Definitely agree with you there... There is something to be said for having A SPINE. Seriously the other thing I hate are women FISHING for compliments. I do web work for a leather fashion company and am lucky enought to go on some of the catalog shoots. I remember a couple of years ago I was in NYC shooting some behind the scenes video and one of the models, Alison, comes over to me, does some of the gratuitous butt poses, and all and then stated how she loved the pants but thought they made her a$$ look fat... Trust me... She was a 5'11" size 4 who did not have a fat a$$ and this was just a compliment fish. I bit my tongue and said... Nah... look perfect... where otherwise I would have made a smart a$$ joking comment letting her know that I was not going to give a compliment just because she was looking for one. One of my favorites to that is... "A lot of guys like the J-Lo look" YOU MUST... and again... MUST finish this off with a funny face so you let them know you are zinging them for fishing for a compliment and NOT saying their ass is fat.. unless it really is... Well, one of my main weaknesses is that I'm VERY straight-forward. If a woman asks my opinion, she WILL get my opinion. ***WARNING*** ANYONE THAT DOES NOT WANT AN HONEST OPINION, DON'T ASK ME FOR MY OPINION. I've been known to hurt some feelings. My feelings about it are, "If you don't want the truth, then don't ask." My favorite is the "Does this dress make my ass look fat?" The truth: No, your ass makes the dress look fat. ;)

Yeah I am a tad plump! In the boobies section :twofinger

....Honestly, I'd rather sleep with someone that I had feelings for (yeah, I know....I'm a bitch :D), but I've done the "hit it and quit it" routine a time or two. :D While the sex was alright, it was just a lot better when I gave a shit about the person I was sleeping with and they gave a shit about me. ;) +1 :thumbup: ... I'm with you on this one..... I recently ran across this with in the last month.... Last 10 minutes at the club I started talking to this girl, next thing you know we're at her house and the one night stand thought crossed my mind(normally don't go for that kinda chic, but what the hell)... the sex was just alright!! Left right after... next thing you know, I have a stage 5 clinger on my hands... then she wigs out on on the phone... realizes it... then is being sweet to me again!?!?! :wtf:... this is what you get 90% of the time from the "hit and quit it" group.... point being... the one's you have some feelings for tend to be the more sensible one's and understand the "just sex" end of it(or the friend with benefits), if you're up front with them and make sure they are ok with that too!!! I have one like that right now and she is the best sex I have ever had!!! :yumyum:

Sucker Punch, I was elaborating to the portion of Maui's reply about just hitting it or being in it for just sex. I've rarely done one night stands but I've often had just sexual partners. I feel if you're waiting for the one you can be lonely for quite some time. In the mean time handle your business. When that potential mate comes along you're not clouded or worshipping the goddess pussilyia because you've got options. Just my opinion, I'd kill to have the RIGHT woman but until we bump in to each other I refuse to hold my dick in my hand. Doesn't mean I won't have committed relationships either but those are hard to come by as well. Where I'm from just seeing people seems to be the desired thing. People usually want to become monogamous when the fell they've found a partner that they are shocked they have. I'd say most are looking for so much in a mate if they ever find them that person is probably looking for just as much or more in a mate. Every one tends to shot high and mistreat the people they deal with and feel are on a lower level. Lonely? Shit, that's what internet porn is for! :D Ain't no shame in that game. :lol: There are two types of people in this world; masturbaters and liars. The question you have to ask yourself is, "Which one are YOU?" ;) Yeah, I get what you're saying though......

Your riding vest makes you look quite plump. :D Just kidding! Seriously though, it seems like "nice guys" are "fat girl magnets." I won't say that I wouldn't date someone that's overweight. I have no problem with it, as long as that other person isn't one of those belly-kicking slobs. I definitely DO have my standards, but honestly, a pretty face is more important to me than a model's body. And yes, personality does matter. Someone could be "Salma Hayek-hot" and if she's a bitch, then I want nothing to do with her (I'd just fuck her and afterwards tell her to "get the fuck out," just to be mean. :D) My wife is heavy. She's not a total lardass, but she is overweight. That's fine. She's a great person, and nobody's perfect. This woman has stood by me through thick and thin, and it hasn't always been "smooth sailing." She is the ONLY person that has made some serious sacrifices for me. I can't even begin to mention the sacrifices she's made for me (I have some health issues that would've chased A LOT of women off). She's stood by my side, driven me to the ER on more than 10 occassions, taken off work to help me, etc. She has really "gone the distance." I owe more than I could ever give to this woman. If she ballooned out to 400 lbs, fine; I'd still love her (I would definitely NOT be happy about that....), and stand by her. I generally prefer somewhere between a size 4 and size 10. I am a bigger stocky guy.. Still working on getting ripped... I will get there.. but right now more in the stocky mold for the time being. I have gone out with women who have been heavier, and am not opposed to people who are working on getting in shape, and how things that happen in our life, whether medical or emotional can throw our bodies out of whack. Long term, I could not really be with a woman who was seriously overweight and felt that was "just the way she was". Life is not fair. Some people have to make some sacrifices and serious changes to be healthy. Heck... I know for me I keep on changing my diet and things I do to get where I want to be and I want the same. I think it also shows something about a person who can be dedicated and keep going until they get what they want to be even if it takes a lot more effort than what other people are doing. Part of this is for my lifestyle... I like being active and doing a lot of things and really pushing my body physically... The other part is I do need physical attraction, and this does not mean the person has to be a 10, but I do have to find them sexy, and with my own body-consciousness... Obesity does not fit the bill. But back to the point, if someone was overweight and trying to get into shape I would have no problem dating them and even sharing the journey and challenges as well as the rewards... It is also not just for appearance sake, but health. One of my Exs had 3 neices who are obscenely obese... The oldest who entered high school a few years ago was a woman's size 20... I am sorry... there are serious healthy issues for a 13 year old who is over 200 pounds...

Yeah I am a tad plump! In the boobies section :twofinger My email address is "sinistersubaru@yahoo.com." I expect to have pictures by noon. :D

Sucker Punch, I was elaborating to the portion of Maui's reply about just hitting it or being in it for just sex. I've rarely done one night stands but I've often had just sexual partners. I feel if you're waiting for the one you can be lonely for quite some time. In the mean time handle your business. When that potential mate comes along you're not clouded or worshipping the goddess pussilyia because you've got options. Just my opinion, I'd kill to have the RIGHT woman but until we bump in to each other I refuse to hold my dick in my hand. Doesn't mean I won't have committed relationships either but those are hard to come by as well. Where I'm from just seeing people seems to be the desired thing. People usually want to become monogamous when the fell they've found a partner that they are shocked they have. I'd say most are looking for so much in a mate if they ever find them that person is probably looking for just as much or more in a mate. Every one tends to shot high and mistreat the people they deal with and feel are on a lower level. I have only had one one-night-stand and pretty much hated it... I also have not had too much problems getting intimate with someone on the first or second date. I am very open and free with communication and know how to build sexual tension. I really am not interested in sex for sex sake, but don't get me wrong... sex is good. I just like having a deep emotional bond because I really like to explore and establish strong feelings and connections.

I generally prefer somewhere between a size 4 and size 10. I am a bigger stocky guy.. Still working on getting ripped... I will get there.. but right now more in the stocky mold for the time being. I have gone out with women who have been heavier, and am not opposed to people who are working on getting in shape, and how things that happen in our life, whether medical or emotional can throw our bodies out of whack. Long term, I could not really be with a woman who was seriously overweight and felt that was "just the way she was". Life is not fair. Some people have to make some sacrifices and serious changes to be healthy. Heck... I know for me I keep on changing my diet and things I do to get where I want to be and I want the same. I think it also shows something about a person who can be dedicated and keep going until they get what they want to be even if it takes a lot more effort than what other people are doing. Part of this is for my lifestyle... I like being active and doing a lot of things and really pushing my body physically... The other part is I do need physical attraction, and this does not mean the person has to be a 10, but I do have to find them sexy, and with my own body-consciousness... Obesity does not fit the bill. But back to the point, if someone was overweight and trying to get into shape I would have no problem dating them and even sharing the journey and challenges as well as the rewards... It is also not just for appearance sake, but health. One of my Exs had 3 neices who are obscenely obese... The oldest who entered high school a few years ago was a woman's size 20... I am sorry... there are serious healthy issues for a 13 year old who is over 200 pounds... My wife works out every night, and she's still heavy. I just simply think she's just "made to be heavy." She's a pretty big girl. She's 5'9 and I would guess a 16-18. It stumps me though, because she doesn't eat a lot, and doesn't eat junk food either. Sure, we'd all love our women to be a size 4, but I just love my wife for who she is, so I accept her for however she is.

Lonely? Shit, that's what internet porn is for! :D Ain't no shame in that game. :lol: There are two types of people in this world; masturbaters and liars. The question you have to ask yourself is, "Which one are YOU?" ;) Yeah, I get what you're saying though...... What what if you lie about how much you masturbate? :bowdown: :bowdown:

I have only had one one-night-stand and pretty much hated it... I also have not had too much problems getting intimate with someone on the first or second date. I am very open and free with communication and know how to build sexual tension. I really am not interested in sex for sex sake, but don't get me wrong... sex is good. I just like having a deep emotional bond because I really like to explore and establish strong feelings and connections. Well, sex is like pizza. Even the worst isn't all that bad. :D By the time my wife and I met in person there was already a strong emotional bond there between the two of us, so I'll just say things didn't take long to lead from "one thing to another."

What what if you lie about how much you masturbate? :bowdown: :bowdown: My forearms are larger than Popeye's/ :lol: Just kidding. :D

My wife works out every night, and she's still heavy. I just simply think she's just "made to be heavy." She's a pretty big girl. She's 5'9 and I would guess a 16-18. It stumps me though, because she doesn't eat a lot, and doesn't eat junk food either. Sure, we'd all love our women to be a size 4, but I just love my wife for who she is, so I accept her for however she is. Got a GREAT book for you... Look up the Perricone Weight Loss Book. Amazon has it for about $14 on sale. Long and short, I am in a similar lot... I am very healthy cardio wise (I get comments from women from time to time that when I am doing the cardio at the gym they get tired from just watching me... ) But I am really in the Build/Burn Muscle cycle and not getting rid of the extra weight. Over the years I have done a lot of research and started eating healthier, cutting out junk, regular excercise, etc. As I was reading this book, I knew most of the material as it was stuff I had learned, but if filled in some of the gaps I was looking for which basically comes down to this: As we get older our bodies start producing less of things it needs. This is accelerated by poor diets. When these items are not in our body, the usage of fat for energy is stopped and the body will take muscle first. When these items are present, the body will treat sugar as glucose and energy and not store as fat as well as use fat stores for energy and keep muscle. It is all stuff I am currently doing, and though I just started, I know this FINALLY is the first one that really physiologically makes sense for what I know.

My forearms are larger than Popeye's/ :lol: Just kidding. :D I have always had big forearms... What I don't understand is that my left arm is my stronger arm, but I generally use my right... Not sure what that says... :headshake

Yeah I am a tad plump! In the boobies section :twofinger You know the most awkward thing about me? I'm not in to the whole boobs and ass thing. I actual avoid fat asses like the plague. I've been accused of not being black because of this. Is it normal to only like a moderate amount of humps and lumps? Am I an outcast? Is some thing wrong with me? P.S. I love long necks too :bounce

You know the most awkward thing about me? I'm not in to the whole boobs and ass thing. I actual avoid fat asses like the plague. I've been accused of not being black because of this. Is it normal to only like a moderate amount of humps and lumps? Am I an outcast? Is some thing wrong with me? P.S. I love long necks too :bounce I am not so much into asses and boobs either... My big turn ons are legs and eyes... Man... Some of the looks a woman can give you will make sure you go into work dead tired and haggard, but with a huge smile on your face

Thighs are my weakness, thighs and necks. But what women don't seem to understand now a day is I prefer to be teased visually. Just give me a taste and I'll earn the rest. Females now a day just show it all, I'll never wife it up. I probably wouldn't hit it for fear she's a high mileage hoe. Of all the hoes out there the ones to avoid are the high mileage hoe and the crazy hoe. Both can have you in the hospital. Question, at this time in your life would you prefer a serious relationship or just some ass?

Thighs are my weakness, thighs and necks. But what women don't seem to understand now a day is I prefer to be teased visually. Just give me a taste and I'll earn the rest. Females now a day just show it all, I'll never wife it up. I probably wouldn't hit it for fear she's a high mileage hoe. Of all the hoes out there the ones to avoid are the high mileage hoe and the crazy hoe. Both can have you in the hospital. Question, at this time in your life would you prefer a serious relationship or just some ass? Oh.. Serious relationship hands down. I have never really dated much... Always wound up into INSTANT RELATIONSHIPS... I would even say as far as that goes... my relationships have outnumbered my dates that were just that or at least that is the way it seems. Other things about relationships, especially intimacy... The people become more open, and know each other's bodies better. I know the sex is always much better and wild with someone I have been with for a few months than with someone I have just really gotten intimate with. I agree on the nice tease factor... I prefer when both people know how to create sexual tension.

I am not so much into asses and boobs either... My big turn ons are legs and eyes... Man... Some of the looks a woman can give you will make sure you go into work dead tired and haggard, but with a huge smile on your face I'm an "ass man." :D But see, I like an ass with meat on it. :lol:

Thighs are my weakness, thighs and necks. But what women don't seem to understand now a day is I prefer to be teased visually. Just give me a taste and I'll earn the rest. Females now a day just show it all, I'll never wife it up. I probably wouldn't hit it for fear she's a high mileage hoe. Of all the hoes out there the ones to avoid are the high mileage hoe and the crazy hoe. Both can have you in the hospital. Question, at this time in your life would you prefer a serious relationship or just some ass? I'd definitely want a relationship over a piece of ass. I've never been one to sleep around. Not to sound arrogant, but I've had plenty of offers from plenty of women. I just never acted upon those offers. I've just never been a user. While some of these "offers" wanted nothing more than a "good fuck," most of them wanted more. I'm not one to lead people on or take advantage of people. As for sleeping with "high mileage hoes," I did once. I wasn't aware (at the time) that she was a "high mileage hoe" until I heard from a few people that half the football team hit it on the 50 yard line. Unbeknownst to me, her nickname was "Touchdown." :headscrat Eww....

Oh.. Serious relationship hands down. I have never really dated much... Always wound up into INSTANT RELATIONSHIPS... I would even say as far as that goes... my relationships have outnumbered my dates that were just that or at least that is the way it seems. Other things about relationships, especially intimacy... The people become more open, and know each other's bodies better. I know the sex is always much better and wild with someone I have been with for a few months than with someone I have just really gotten intimate with. I agree on the nice tease factor... I prefer when both people know how to create sexual tension. I gotta say, I don't mind a little bit of teasing. It makes things interesting. :D But yeah, I always wound up falling into relationships also. A huge majority of them never lead to anything "involved" though. :) For the record, I've actually dated about 50 women (seriously.....) since the age of around 14. :D For the record, this is a great thread. :funny:

I'd definitely want a relationship over a piece of ass. I've never been one to sleep around. Not to sound arrogant, but I've had plenty of offers from plenty of women. I just never acted upon those offers. I've just never been a user. While some of these "offers" wanted nothing more than a "good fuck," most of them wanted more. I'm not one to lead people on or take advantage of people. As for sleeping with "high mileage hoes," I did once. I wasn't aware (at the time) that she was a "high mileage hoe" until I heard from a few people that half the football team hit it on the 50 yard line. Unbeknownst to me, her nickname was "Touchdown." :headscrat Eww.... I get bored with most women I date. I enjoy a heathy balance of being active and chilling at home. For me I hind the polarities... either the homebodies or the party freaks.

I gotta say, I don't mind a little bit of teasing. It makes things interesting. :D But yeah, I always wound up falling into relationships also. A huge majority of them never lead to anything "involved" though. :) For the record, I've actually dated about 50 women (seriously.....) since the age of around 14. :D For the record, this is a great thread. :funny: I am only somewhere around dating 15 women or so with 12 relationships that were outside of that... Ever notice how relationships cut into the time you have to date??? :laughingr

I get bored with most women I date. I enjoy a heathy balance of being active and chilling at home. For me I hind the polarities... either the homebodies or the party freaks. I don't wanna sound like a woman, but once you find "the one," you won't feel that way. I used to get bored with the same woman quite often as well, that is, until I met my wife. When you meet "the right one" you feel as if the "honeymoon phase" never wears off. Trust me. :thumbup:

I don't wanna sound like a woman, but once you find "the one," you won't feel that way. I used to get bored with the same woman quite often as well, that is, until I met my wife. When you meet "the right one" you feel as if the "honeymoon phase" never wears off. Trust me. :thumbup: Oh.. That I know... Pretty much just tossed all that away and just focus on riding these days... Much more enjoyable usage of my time, and less frustrating too!

I don't wanna sound like a woman, but once you find "the one," you won't feel that way. I used to get bored with the same woman quite often as well, that is, until I met my wife. When you meet "the right one" you feel as if the "honeymoon phase" never wears off. Trust me. :thumbup: Is finding the one any thing like in the Matrix? When I look at her will I know longer see a woman just the strands of code/DNA that is her? :headscrat

Is finding the one any thing like in the Matrix? When I look at her will I know longer see a woman just the strands of code/DNA that is her? :headscrat That would make it a lot easier.... But be a lot more boring... Then again... Ever think all the amazing things you could do in the Matrix with that flexibility?

Well Neo didn't start out that way in the Matrix it was gradual. Like maybe one day insteady of eating the last piece of chicken I'd give it to her. At that moment I'd realizes she's the one and then her breast and thighs begin to glow. Her neck looks longer and I see all of her DNA strands and stuff... Ummm probably not gonna happen right.

Of course... Women will probaly like it too... No cases of "Little Man Syndrom" in the Matrix..... :bowdown: :laughingr

Is finding the one any thing like in the Matrix? When I look at her will I know longer see a woman just the strands of code/DNA that is her? :headscrat No, you should definitely second-guess yourself if you ever find yourself attracted to a guy dressed like a vampire. :D

No, you should definitely second-guess yourself if you ever find yourself attracted to a guy dressed like a vampire. :D All depends how hot they are... Sad thing is I have seen some of the he/she/whatchamacalits that make the Oprah watching crowd look pretty sad... and they still have a dingleberry tucked away somewhere...

Im a nice guy and I haven't been on a date in 4 years nor do I want to!! You women are nothing but Trouble and disappointment!!!! PAAALEASE!!! Get over yourselves!!!!!The excitement and satisfaction you women can offer isn't even in the same GALAXY as a TURBO bike!!! No matter where guy's go to find haven from all the Drama BULLSH!!T you girls find a way to contaminate whatever remote place we venture to!!!......Get a LIFE!!! :thefinger

Im a nice guy and I haven't been on a date in 4 years nor do I want to!! You women are nothing but Trouble and disappointment!!!! PAAALEASE!!! Get over yourselves!!!!!The excitement and satisfaction you women can offer isn't even in the same GALAXY as a TURBO bike!!! No matter where guy's go to find haven from all the Drama BULLSH!!T you girls find a way to contaminate whatever remote place we venture to!!!......Get a LIFE!!! :thefinger You haven't been sleeping with the right women.... :thefinger

women are the devil

women are the devil Have you been playin' da foolsball again?!

Im a nice guy and I haven't been on a date in 4 years nor do I want to!! You women are nothing but Trouble and disappointment!!!! PAAALEASE!!! Get over yourselves!!!!!The excitement and satisfaction you women can offer isn't even in the same GALAXY as a TURBO bike!!! No matter where guy's go to find haven from all the Drama BULLSH!!T you girls find a way to contaminate whatever remote place we venture to!!!......Get a LIFE!!! :thefinger You gotta turn it around. A woman starts pulling the drama shit, lay down the law and be prepared to walk... Most of the time this is a subsconscious test to see how far she can push you.

You gotta turn it around. A woman starts pulling the drama shit, lay down the law and be prepared to walk... Most of the time this is a subsconscious test to see how far she can push you. That depends on how much of a PSYCO she really is!!!! I was married for ten years to one of the Best!!! F That

That depends on how much of a PSYCO she really is!!!! I was married for ten years to one of the Best!!! F That Like I said... nip it in the bud up front or deal with it later down the line.

That depends on how much of a PSYCO she really is!!!! I was married for ten years to one of the Best!!! F That All women are psychos. Some are just worse than others. :thumbup:

All women are psychos. Some are just worse than others. :thumbup: Yeah... So just imagine how messed up lesbian relationships can be. I used to hang out for a while with one who just wanted a break from all the estrogen. She was a female hockey/football player.

Yeah... So just imagine how messed up lesbian relationships can be. I used to hang out for a while with one who just wanted a break from all the estrogen. She was a female hockey/football player. Lesbians rule as long as they look like women. :D That doesn't include Rosie O'Donnell. :arsenal

Lesbians rule as long as they look like women. :D That doesn't include Rosie O'Donnell. :arsenal Hate to inform you of this... A fair amount of lesbians out there make Rosie look hot.

Hate to inform you of this... A fair amount of lesbians out there make Rosie look hot. Yeah, true. Just watch "Exit to Eden." You'll change your mind after you see Rosie in leather.

Ok, I read all of the article and a few of the posts and here is my take on it. With different people it you have different attitudes. I found myself feeling and sometimes acting like the "nice guy" described in the article after my break up with my ex. It took me a few dates to get back on my feet. I was some what insecure and that was a problem. I got over it but sometimes it still came out. I am still a nice guy but not that "nice guy" described in the article. I am a nice guy in the fact that I treat women with respect. I can still joke and be an ass sometimes but I still show respect most of the time. I know I'm not the only guy who will treat them right, hell there are probably a lot more guys out there that are easier to get along with even though I am really easy going. I have a lot of self confidence and love myself. I know I come across as an ass sometimes but that's just me. I can live with or without you and I know you can do the same. You can be a nice guy without being that "nice guy." I am not the only guy out there but you are not the only girl either. :lol:

Ok, I read all of the article and a few of the posts and here is my take on it. With different people it you have different attitudes. I found myself feeling and sometimes acting like the "nice guy" described in the article after my break up with my ex. It took me a few dates to get back on my feet. I was some what insecure and that was a problem. I got over it but sometimes it still came out. I am still a nice guy but not that "nice guy" described in the article. I am a nice guy in the fact that I treat women with respect. I can still joke and be an ass sometimes but I still show respect most of the time. I know I'm not the only guy who will treat them right, hell there are probably a lot more guys out there that are easier to get along with even though I am really easy going. I have a lot of self confidence and love myself. I know I come across as an ass sometimes but that's just me. I can live with or without you and I know you can do the same. You can be a nice guy without being that "nice guy." I am not the only guy out there but you are not the only girl either. :lol: I think all of us have a bruised confidence after a bad breakup for a little while, but bounce back. The kind of people described in that article are just pussies.....

I just move on... Have had a few psycho-stalkers in my past, and I just cannot understand how they can waste all that negative energy

I just move on... Have had a few psycho-stalkers in my past, and I just cannot understand how they can waste all that negative energy They don't have anything better to do because everyone else already knows they're psycho. :D

There has to be more to it than that

There has to be more to it than that You just have bad luck? :D

No I am a psycho magnet... If she is whacked... She will find me, and I will think she is wonderful for a while... I am getting better at detecting and avoiding... But then again.. Psychos tend to be kinkier in bed...

No I am a psycho magnet... If she is whacked... She will find me, and I will think she is wonderful for a while... I am getting better at detecting and avoiding... But then again.. Psychos tend to be kinkier in bed... Very true. Just wait until you get the one that says to you, "If you don't call me by 10pm, I'll come looking for you!" :lol: Ever see "Wedding Crashers?" The one chick Vince Vaughn hooks up with in it was quite the psycho....

Very true. Just wait until you get the one that says to you, "If you don't call me by 10pm, I'll come looking for you!" :lol: Ever see "Wedding Crashers?" The one chick Vince Vaughn hooks up with in it was quite the psycho.... Trust me... My last girlfriend makes her look NORMAL...

Trust me... My last girlfriend makes her look NORMAL... I'm atheist, but I'm going to pray for you anyway. :lol:

Ok, I read all of the article and a few of the posts and here is my take on it. With different people it you have different attitudes. I found myself feeling and sometimes acting like the "nice guy" described in the article after my break up with my ex. It took me a few dates to get back on my feet. I was some what insecure and that was a problem. I got over it but sometimes it still came out. I am still a nice guy but not that "nice guy" described in the article. I am a nice guy in the fact that I treat women with respect. I can still joke and be an ass sometimes but I still show respect most of the time. I know I'm not the only guy who will treat them right, hell there are probably a lot more guys out there that are easier to get along with even though I am really easy going. I have a lot of self confidence and love myself. I know I come across as an ass sometimes but that's just me. I can live with or without you and I know you can do the same. You can be a nice guy without being that "nice guy." I am not the only guy out there but you are not the only girl either. :lol: Well said!!!! I can ralate to that only That experience I went through ruined me I don't think I can respect women anymore Bottom line They are all the same!!! Im at the point now in my life, I don't even want to be bothered anymore with even the thought process behind it all!!!! Punish em in the Rack and theirs the door Honey!!!! :thefinger

Well said!!!! I can ralate to that only That experience I went through ruined me I don't think I can respect women anymore Bottom line They are all the same!!! Im at the point now in my life, I don't even want to be bothered anymore with even the thought process behind it all!!!! Punish em in the Rack and theirs the door Honey!!!! :thefinger Well, I had a pretty poor opinion of women too after I got screwed over a few times, but that all changed when I met my wife. :D

You pick and choose your battles. There sre some decent ones out there... but not where I live

Well, I had a pretty poor opinion of women too after I got screwed over a few times, but that all changed when I met my wife. :D Congrats!!!! But I gotta say Better you than me!!!!!!! :headshake

Congrats!!!! But I gotta say Better you than me!!!!!!! :headshake :lol: But hey, even she's psycho. :D

:lol: But hey, even she's psycho. :D Glutten for punishment are you??? :D

Glutten for punishment are you??? :D Oh yeah! She punishes me good. She even went ballistic one day and tried to cram a shampoo bottle in my.... ...but that's where I drew the line. And I'm just kidding, of course. :lol: I've just been listening to too much Adam Sandler. :rofl:

You gotta turn it around. A woman starts pulling the drama shit, lay down the law and be prepared to walk... Most of the time this is a subsconscious test to see how far she can push you. last time i "layed down the law" i ended up with a restraining order and verbal assault charges. i went drill instructor on her ass and dont regret it. i guess that makes me not a "nice" guy?

last time i "layed down the law" i ended up with a restraining order and verbal assault charges. i went drill instructor on her ass and dont regret it. i guess that makes me not a "nice" guy? It's probably best you did get a restraining order. That way she would stay the fuck out of your way (and out of your life). Anyone that calls the cops over a yelling spat has a problem.....

last time i "layed down the law" i ended up with a restraining order and verbal assault charges. i went drill instructor on her ass and dont regret it. i guess that makes me not a "nice" guy? No you don't have to do that... What I do is simply if she is freaking out, being pscyho, especially in public... I just say "I don't tolerate disrespect from anyone and I don't appreciate the way you are acting and treating me. If you want to continue than I am going to leave, and if I do, please don't bother contacting me..." Like "Road House", you be nice, and generally just walk.

No you don't have to do that... What I do is simply if she is freaking out, being pscyho, especially in public... I just say "I don't tolerate disrespect from anyone and I don't appreciate the way you are acting and treating me. If you want to continue than I am going to leave, and if I do, please don't bother contacting me..." Like "Road House", you be nice, and generally just walk. I disagree. If she continues to verbally abuse you, just tell her that you're going to bang her mother if she keeps it up. :lol:

I disagree. If she continues to verbally abuse you, just tell her that you're going to bang her mother if she keeps it up. :lol: Yeah.. Tell that to your wife and you will see your half go to a quarter

Yeah.. Tell that to your wife and you will see your half go to a quarter Probably! I did bang my ex's mom. :) She was cheating on me, so I fucked her mom. :D No joke. I was about 19 years old, and my ex was still in school at the time. I had graduated the previous year. Her mother called me one day to see if I could help her out with hanging curtains. I obliged, and went over to help out. I thought nothing of it. However, the relationship with the ex was on the downward slope. Lots of arguing, and I know she had cheated on me. I would've dumped her, except for I felt obligated because she was my first piece of ass. I was a bit "old" (17) when I got my first piece. It could've happened earlier in life, but I was a good little catholic boy and wanted to wait. :headscrat Well, I got sick of dry humping her every afternoon, so I did the deed. :D Damn, had I been missing out! :headshake So anyway, there I am up on a chair hanging up the rod, when her mom starts unzipping my jeans and......well, I'll leave it at that. I'll just say that about 5 minutes later she was leaning over the arm of a sofa and well......I'll just leave it at that. :D So, one day my ex and I get into it, and she breaks up with me. I simply just said, "That's fine, cuz I fucked your mom anyway!" Well, her mom was there, so of course her jaw just dropped. She looked at her mom, and her mom got this sheepish look on her face and was just like, "Well, he did." It was hilarious. She just bursted into tears! On my way out, I just said, "Gennie, I hope to see you again." :lol: Gennie was her mom's name. :D PS: Her mother was one ugly bitch. :arsenal What better way to get back at a cheating whore but to fuck her mom? :D

No you don't have to do that... What I do is simply if she is freaking out, being pscyho, especially in public... I just say "I don't tolerate disrespect from anyone and I don't appreciate the way you are acting and treating me. If you want to continue than I am going to leave, and if I do, please don't bother contacting me..." Like "Road House", you be nice, and generally just walk. i just cant do that man...dont know why, but i take no shit. im happy by myself. if i get rid of one, there will always be another. plus it always works (despite them leaving me), stare down at them, extend my arm with fingers extended and joined, and sternly say "shut. up.". and thats on a good day. good job sucker punch on the mom deal. theres a few moms out there that i've dreamt of doing so...but dreamt is all i've done...

i just cant do that man...dont know why, but i take no shit. im happy by myself. if i get rid of one, there will always be another. plus it always works (despite them leaving me), stare down at them, extend my arm with fingers extended and joined, and sternly say "shut. up.". and thats on a good day. good job sucker punch on the mom deal. theres a few moms out there that i've dreamt of doing so...but dreamt is all i've done... Well, it would take me a while to get over my wife if we were to break up, that's for sure, but I'm sure I'd live on. In all honesty, I'm sort of a "loner" anyway. I don't have a lot of friends, well, in fact, I don't have any friends. There are people that I associate with, but only if I end up running into them. I consider a friend someone that sticks by you through thick and thin, and that would pretty much make sacrifices for you. Hell, the "friends" that I have wouldn't even get up at 7am on a Saturday morning to help me fix my car if I asked them to......The only person that I've ever met that would do such is my wife. Am I happy "by myself?" Well, I've never been a party animal or a "social butterfly," so yes, I'm actually quite content. But that doesn't necessarily mean that I don't associate with people. Hell, there is always room for a (true) friend. I honestly don't need a woman or friends to be happy. Hell, I'm happy by myself. I just "do my own thing." I'm perfectly content with just tending to hobbies and such.....

i just cant do that man...dont know why, but i take no shit. im happy by myself. if i get rid of one, there will always be another. plus it always works (despite them leaving me), stare down at them, extend my arm with fingers extended and joined, and sternly say "shut. up.". and thats on a good day. good job sucker punch on the mom deal. theres a few moms out there that i've dreamt of doing so...but dreamt is all i've done... Nah... I have also find that if you are able to do it my way... Especially in a bar, other people will notice what is going on and how you handle it... I generally wind up with a date the same day something like that happens because people want to know what was going on, and I get the comments on how well I handled it... People like to know what they are getting into so being smooth and calm when most people blow up shows you are collected and confidant

Nah... I have also find that if you are able to do it my way... Especially in a bar, other people will notice what is going on and how you handle it... I generally wind up with a date the same day something like that happens because people want to know what was going on, and I get the comments on how well I handled it... People like to know what they are getting into so being smooth and calm when most people blow up shows you are collected and confidant i think it all comes down to me not really caring...even though im positive the awy i handle things arent best, im happy with it, and ultimately that is the best. women just arent the best things in my life, i have other priorities that never fail to satisfy me (motorcycles :) ). perhaps as i get older, and possibly lonely, ill change the way i go about things, cause my priorities will be different, btu for the time being, im not complaining when a girl walks out on me cause i told her to fuck off cause she was pissed i cut my own hair (true story). i thought i did a pretty dang good job for cutting it myself :bounce

im a nice guy. i finished last. :(

ohhh damn, i'm a nice guy!!! how do i change??????

all guys finish last nice, bad, naughty,good

all guys finish last nice, bad, naughty,good the truth is out. however i have some other truth...i always finish before the girl :rofl:

the truth is out. however i have some other truth...i always finish before the girl :rofl: :lol: :lol: :lol: ok on the serious side I am going lesbian. I am so sick of guys and there fucking arrogant attitudes. I wish you all would just stick it up your asses and figure out your not all that great. Fuck the nice guy because he is a damn railroad track about to get ran over.. chhhooo chhooo The bad boy... he isnt all that bad looking when his ass is in jail for beating the crap out of you. Dont drop the soap. And for the rest of you all in the end we all know who wears the pants in all relationships. nice guys... bad guys... all the same. In the end relationships all together are fucked up.

dont blame ya girl...seriously. i was the nice guy, who got run over. basically it turned me into what i am. im doing fairly swell with my current gf though. i dont physically beat my gfs, but at times i can be pretty fierce verbally, just gets to the point where its too much for me. but will i go lesbian over it? heh, i wish :)

dont blame ya girl...seriously. i was the nice guy, who got run over. basically it turned me into what i am. im doing fairly swell with my current gf though. i dont physically beat my gfs, but at times i can be pretty fierce verbally, just gets to the point where its too much for me. but will i go lesbian over it? heh, i wish :) What, you don't beat your girl? :headscrat I beat the shit out of my girl all the time and we have the most beautiful relationship. Yeah I feel bad for a few hours afterwards and telling people she ran into a pole is getting old. But lately we've been coming up with new ways to explain her clumsiness. :lol: She's rarely in the hospital and thanks to her bigger brother my boxing skills have greatly improved.

What, you don't beat your girl? :headscrat I beat the shit out of my girl all the time and we have the most beautiful relationship. Yeah I feel bad for a few hours afterwards and telling people she ran into a pole is getting old. But lately we've been coming up with new ways to explain her clumsiness. :lol: She's rarely in the hospital and thanks to her bigger brother my boxing skills have greatly improved. heh...no not really..."love taps" get out of hand sometimes, but thats about it. women almost always win in court, even if she swung first.

heh...no not really..."love taps" get out of hand sometimes, but thats about it. women almost always win in court, even if she swung first. If she wins in court you OBVIOUSLY didn't hit her hard enough. If you smack dat bitch right she won't want to press charges. Question does your wife beater (Tank Top) have a hole in it? This can seriously affect bitch slapping power and would also explain a loss of respect. Make sure you tank tops are up to par and put a little spin on your open hand slaps. The added torque puts them in their place right away. Oh and you gotta have sex with them right afterwards if not they won't believe they love you. If she objects it's probably cause you didn't beat her enough. Well hope the tips help...

haha r u serious? :funny:

Nice guys don't finish last. We're simply just late to the party....

Nice guys don't finish last. We're simply just late to the party.... :lol:

Listen man it's a dog eat dog world. you gotta do them or they're gonna do you. I learned from my uncle, my aunt and another uncle strated eating with out us and he gave her what for. Made her say grace afterwards too, see. :clap: http://myspace-816.vo.llnwd.net/00559/61/87/559547816_l.gif

What, you don't beat your girl? :headscrat I beat the shit out of my girl all the time and we have the most beautiful relationship. Yeah I feel bad for a few hours afterwards and telling people she ran into a pole is getting old. But lately we've been coming up with new ways to explain her clumsiness. :lol: She's rarely in the hospital and thanks to her bigger brother my boxing skills have greatly improved. :laughingr :funny:

I'm another Mr. nice guy. Yes I've been fucked over many times...but I find it funny now becuase EVERY girl that has left me is wanting me back now becuase they finally realized what they had. Being nice isn't bad. Yes I've realized I can't be TOO nice and I've found a happy medium. My new girl is all over the junk now. :lol: new attitude as well as a new bike...gotta watch out for the girls now....they're dripping puddles :lol: :thumbup:

I'm another Mr. nice guy. Yes I've been fucked over many times...but I find it funny now becuase EVERY girl that has left me is wanting me back now becuase they finally realized what they had. Being nice isn't bad. Yes I've realized I can't be TOO nice and I've found a happy medium. My new girl is all over the junk now. :lol: new attitude as well as a new bike...gotta watch out for the girls now....they're dripping puddles :lol: :thumbup: Puddles of blood I hope :thumbup:

Puddles of blood I hope :thumbup: :lol: you're sick. I love it

Listen man it's a dog eat dog world. you gotta do them or they're gonna do you. I learned from my uncle, my aunt and another uncle strated eating with out us and he gave her what for. Made her say grace afterwards too, see. :clap: http://myspace-816.vo.llnwd.net/00559/61/87/559547816_l.gif Dude, Where did you get that clip from in your signature? That's some funny shit right there!!!! :laughingr

Dude, Where did you get that clip from in your signature? That's some funny shit right there!!!! :laughingr hahha holy shit that is funny!!! :laughingr

If she wins in court you OBVIOUSLY didn't hit her hard enough. If you smack dat bitch right she won't want to press charges. Question does your wife beater (Tank Top) have a hole in it? This can seriously affect bitch slapping power and would also explain a loss of respect. Make sure you tank tops are up to par and put a little spin on your open hand slaps. The added torque puts them in their place right away. Oh and you gotta have sex with them right afterwards if not they won't believe they love you. If she objects it's probably cause you didn't beat her enough. Well hope the tips help... haha awesome...purely awesome...im taking notes :lol: especially the first sentence, good stuff.

with that u get quality women instead of quantity :thumbup: I've always been known to date the bad boy types.. but ended with a nice guy and love him to death! I cant get enough of him... bad boys = not long term nice guys = marriage material I absolutly adore my current BF and would do anything for him.... :thumbup: Except PIITB What's wrong with PIITB? :bounce

Oh, and I'm a nice guy, but definetly not like the guys in that article. I buy my wife flowers on random occaisions, stuff like that. her and I have been together for 8 years.

Im a nice guy to but instead of buying flowers cause they die i just beat my gf at random intervals so she thinks how lucky she is to still be livin :lol: and she loves me alot so much so that i somtimes think she is stalking me but mabey she is just ( trying) to make sure i dont cheat. :laughingr

Holy shiet, I'm a nice guy.... I have more confidence then in the example so I'll say I'm about 75% nice guy. have Swtlisa78 email me nudies....

and what do the shrinks say about being a gentleman, ie opening doors etc? what character flaw does this indicate? geezzzz he's too nice ...... he doesn't treat me well ...... take your prozac, valium, ciniquon, effexor, hormone suppliments ..... nuerotic bitches!

ALL CHICKS ARE FUCKING BITCH ASS WHORES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! now who wants to go out this weekend and buy me dinner?

Not that anyone wants it.. but heres my .02 "women want to date the bad-ass, and marry the nice guy" in the end, nice guys will finish last, but they will finish happiest. Assholes will die alone with their hands on they junk. Bad-ass nice guys dont exist. Either a asshole with playa game, or a posin loser. A nice guy with a passion however.. well thats different ;) In the words of 2-pac n snoop: "...aint been no real playas on land since tha sn-d-o-double gg-e claimed the man..." You gonna argue with it.. then your just another poser

"women want to date the bad-ass, and marry the nice guy" in the end, nice guys will finish last, but they will finish happiest. Assholes will die alone with their hands on they junk. Bad-ass nice guys dont exist. Either a asshole with playa game, or a posin loser. :clap: Bravo I am a pretty decent looking guy and get girls just fine. I am however one of the nice guys. But over the years I have noticed that some of my wild friends get a lot of new chicks that come to town. In the end however, they always seem to end up with me, or want me :twofinger

Ok, some help for the nice guys as I recently had some life learning experience. NICE GUYS - Care too much about getting the specific girl. They put all thier attention and effort on the girl they are into at the time. Not so nice guys don't. They are just themselves and if it doesn't work out... pfft who cares. I'M FUCKING PROUD of myself because I've recently been able to be both :P Nice guy, gentleman, just being me, but if the shit don't gel pretty quickly, its pretty obvious and I'll move on to the next one. ;) YAY ME!!

i read the first few lines. im not a nice guy. i have never been a nice guy and will never be a nice guy. they will always finish last. im a dick most of the time. girls a strange. if you treat them good all the time, they take advantage. I just play it cool. as long as the guy has confidence, hes golden. hmmm... this is interesting.... are you sure you treat ALL girls the same? :headscrat

hmmm... this is interesting.... are you sure you treat ALL girls the same? :headscrat well, not all the girls. i just to be liek that, but now i have a girlthat i treat very well. :rofl: :rofl:

well, not all the girls. i just to be liek that, but now i have a girlthat i treat very well. :rofl: :rofl: ahhh .. i c Good to know.... she must be a keeper ! :infrandom

Just in case anyone is wondering, renka is my girl. Lol We got another couple here. Lol

Just in case anyone is wondering, renka is my girl. Lol We got another couple here. Lol SHHHHH... it was supposed to be a secret!

I'm a nice guy. :D But i'm also secure and don't care if my girl flirts. To me I think it's amusing because I know who she is gonna come home to at night. She cheats on me, oh well. I go mexican status on her ass and move on, then go party it up with other girls. The life is still young! Although I do take pride and care into my current relationships unlike some who are, "Go do whatever the fuck you want, i'm gonna go bang your sister."

I agree with that article. I married what I thought was a nice guy, but after we got married he turned out like a woman, and straight flipped on me. Man what an opinionated hard headed a*hole he turned into. Boy did I get lucky :D

aint gonna read that novel you wrote, but by the title im guessin your sayin "nice guys" are always insecure shy pussys who complain about not gettin girls or gettin ditched by thier girl when they did 'nothin wrong' and were always 'so nice' to thier gf or w/e......its the truth. Thats why nice guys finish last, girls dont want a pussy who will get the door for them or cuddle all night and talk about how they feel, they might say they do but in reality its bullshit. If im off on my guess oh well but thats my take on 'nice guys'. I think that most of what was in the original post is true. I also agree with the quote except for girls do want someone who will treat them nice. Cuddle sometimes and hold doors and all that bullshit but only to a certain extent. Cuddling all night long is way too much and if a guy opens every door it will make her feel weak and helpless which is also bad. Confidence is always the key.