State Police Searching For Motorcycle Involved in Pursuit/Fatal Trooper Crash

I came across this on another forum. After reading it I thought of CNY750Rider. I hope he's in San Diego and not involved. :headshake Article I (http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=F99DC937-1F13-4F69-98AE-EEA6EBB57ED4) Article II (http://www.wixt.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=458C6E15-45A3-4563-8CC3-B0DF7B48EEAB)

he was supose to be in tustin.... he was a no show for the BBQ tho

If the motorcycle was speeding 100 miles an hour ... in the other direction, and the trooper crashed two minutes into the chase, I highly doubt the motorcyclist even realized he was being chased. I can imagine him being far far away by the time the trooper began the chase. How did the trooper manage to crash? :headscrat

it is totally the cops fault. I live in the area. The cop lost controll he tried to chase a cycle in an suv how dumb can u be. Don't those things top out at 95 mph how would he expect to catch him if he is already going 100 plus the suv isn't meant for high speeds. This is just the cops tryin to make them look good by blaming the biker for the cop being a dumbass. Plus now cops are really going to have it in for us bikers in the area.

the cop was probablly drunk too :laughingr

that kid just better make sure he gets a really good lawyer.... and he should be cleared of the manslaughter charges... cause like someone said if he passed the cop and the cop crashed with in 2 minutes he wouldn't have seen the cop or crash

One thing that totally blows my mind is you hear the DA pull the "public safetey" card, but in the end, look what happens. I mean ya, he could say the officer was doing his job...but a speeding suv is IMO at least 10 times more dangerous. Say the bike rear ends a car at 100 mph...the biker dies, unfortunate but his/her fualt nontheless...now an suv going "100 mph" rear ends that same car...the driver of the suv may live, but think about that car! Same situtation goes, the bike loses control and hits a house...rider/bike likely go into the house...suv knocks the house down...Just simple physics. IMHO high speed persuits should be illegal...like the last time I was arrested, I was cuffed in the back seat and in a 45 mph zone, the cop was hitting about 85 mph...no seatbelt (either of us) lights and sirens off... how does that even seem that he is "serving and protecting"? I didn't hurt anyone in the process of being arrested, but he could have easily lost control and killed at least the two of us just becuase he thought he was showing off his muy grande cojones...some people ride the fine line of hypocracy, and IMHO police in my hometown are on the razors edge...another example, a friend of mine was speeding and a cop going the other way spotted him and in a 3 lane road managed to drive off into someones yard, do a donut (no pun intended) and when my friend got pulled over he was charged with the damage the officer had caused under the fact that if he wouldn't have been speeding, none of it would have happened. That is pure ignorance. All in all, if the biker wanted to take the chance of hurting himself and/or others thats his choice but chasing in an suv,as stated above, is just ignorance. Sorry about my puncuation, I'm real tired and that kinda hit a touchy chord with me :thumbup: :UPDATE: I actually just emailed that news channel about my veiws on the situation...the immaturity of the situation just blows me away...the DA is name calling AND finger pointing in my humble opinoin..errr

I feel bad for the troopers family but the charges against him are a bit over the top (IMO). Like someone else said at that speed the trooper had no chance of catching him in a car let alone a top heavy SUV. The guy most likely never saw him and didnt know he was chasing him. Like I said my prayers go out th the troopers family but this is not the fault of the guy on the bike!!!!!!!!!!

No, this was not me guys. I have two kids and wife - I would never think of running from the police what-so-ever. I also figure, if your going to play...you should be prepared to pay. I simply visit that site & post pictures. It's a guilty by association thing and what some did or say on the site, I don't not agree with. In regards to all the threads about the trooper, here is what I posted: Posted 25 April 2006 09:52 AM Ok guys, all this negative feedback is NOT going to help. Actually, it’s starting to annoy me, especially the extra drama where people say they are going to run now. WTF, how do you see that helping the sport….it will only make matters worst! Think about, say you decide to run and the same thing happens….could you live with that? I know I couldn’t. If I was the guy involved, I would seek council and step forward. Why, I couldn’t live with my conscience. Also, I know my actions would be impacting other riders as it has already begun. The Trooper was wrong by chasing; he paid the ultimate price & died. Now this rider needs to own up to his actions as well. Sorry, hate me if you want but that is how I feel. All of the increased nonsense back & forth - that has happened recently is total crap but until this biker steps forward or is caught….it’s going to be a living hell. I’m sure the Trooper’s are seeking closure for his wife & family. We would do the same for our fellow biker. I know you guys are going to jump all over me for saying how I feel but I’m putting my thoughts out there ....all this arguing & defiance is not going to help though…….. I’m sad to say that I feel like I’m labeled as some kind of jerk because I ride a sport bike. Posts: 1155 | Registered: 09 August 2005

he was supose to be in tustin.... he was a no show for the BBQ tho Sorry Lyte. Did it go well tho? Did you guys end up taking a ride too? :bowdown:

I say that the Trooper was being a Nazi cocksucker, he was obviously a moron, SUV't CAN"T FUCKING CATCH BIKES...and according to Mr. Darwin, the Trooper got what was comming to him...

I have to agree w/ CNY750rider. I have an 06 1000. I love it! My first sport bike. I love the power and speed. I also know that everytime I twist the throttle past the posted limits, there is the chance of major consequences. None of us are above the law. Yes, it was stupid and showed poor judgement for the cop to pursue in his SUV, but that doesn't give any of us, myself included, the right to put others in danger. The cop hit a tree in what appears to be a rural area (at least from the pics from article #1). What if a kid or an elderly person was crossing a the road ahead and the rider went down, is it then that person's fault? Few people "deserve to die", especially when they were doing their job, regardless of occupation. Cops are leary of motorcylists because of guys like that. If you don't like it, save that speed for teh track, and ride a little more respectable and change their opinions for the rest of us.... (Can you be banned from a site for having an unpopular opinion?)

I agree with a lot of the comments here. Good valid points. But this has happened a couple of times. Most likely that rider will be charged with manslaughter. I think its kinda BS, but u can argue it both ways.

I agree that it was the cop's fault. Nobody forced him to drive beyond the his abilities or that of his vehicle. Sure, the motorcycle was speeding, but as posted, the suv traveling at high speed poses a much greater risk to uninvolved parties. By the fucked up logic that the cops use when charging people, if I have bad tags, a cop tries to pull me over, I run and wreck, I should be able to sue the cops for MAKING me run and drive beyond my abilities and/or the abilities of my vehicle. Who ever said you had to be smart to be a cop anyway?

I agree that it was the cop's fault. Nobody forced him to drive beyond the his abilities or that of his vehicle. Sure, the motorcycle was speeding, but as posted, the suv traveling at high speed poses a much greater risk to uninvolved parties. By the fucked up logic that the cops use when charging people, if I have bad tags, a cop tries to pull me over, I run and wreck, I should be able to sue the cops for MAKING me run and drive beyond my abilities and/or the abilities of my vehicle. Who ever said you had to be smart to be a cop anyway? no u can't sue the cops. The fact is cause you ran, it is the felony, the cops have a right to run after you. Your breaking the law in every single way.

no u can't sue the cops. The fact is cause you ran, it is the felony, the cops have a right to run after you. Your breaking the law in every single way. I guess you missed the words BY THEIR LOGIC. Laws are supposed to be based on logic and safety. Obviously, it doesn't always work out that a cop is that concerned about safety. If this one was, he'd have not chased at such a speed...giving the guy reason to ride even more recklessly. Also, in many areas, they are not allowed to go more than 20mph over the limit for any reason at all. What if this cop had run over somebody while chasing? Should he be charged with manslaughter, or is it ok since he's a cop?... or would they charge the rider with manslaughter because the cop screwed up? That's what they're doing in this case. The cop fucked up and the rider gets the blame for it.

I guess you missed the words BY THEIR LOGIC. Laws are supposed to be based on logic and safety. Obviously, it doesn't always work out that a cop is that concerned about safety. If this one was, he'd have not chased at such a speed...giving the guy reason to ride even more recklessly. Also, in many areas, they are not allowed to go more than 20mph over the limit for any reason at all. you can argue it both ways. But put yourself on the other side of the fence. What if u were the cop. If some guy runs from you cause he failed to pull over would u case him? What if the guy just killed someone, kill a woman and a kid, would you still case him? Or if the guy runs, you dont case him, he then later down the line blows through a store and takes out a few people. Who would be blame? I mean how do you determine if u should case the guy or not? Does it matter by the crime he did? I mean once u run, its a felony, no matter what you did before that. But as for people running, I'm sorry but it is completely stupid. I don't blame the cops many times for beating down some guy for running he fucking deserve it. But it this way, in school, if some fucker did some fucked up shit to you, and then ran from you, you would beat his ass down even harder. This is a fucking cop and your trying to run? I think i just opened up a can of worms. Oh well.

What if u were the cop. If some guy runs from you cause he failed to pull over would u case him? What if the guy just killed someone, kill a woman and a kid, would you still case him? I'm not sure, but that doesn't make it right. Fact is that the cop is supposed to be a trained professional. He should be able to control his actions. It's like asking me if I'd run if I was the biker. Even if I said yes, it wouldn't make it right. Or if the guy runs, you dont case him, he then later down the line blows through a store and takes out a few people. Who would be blame? The motorcyclist would...not the cop. A cop simply cannot prevent or stop all crime, and is therefore not responsible for its occurrance. I mean how do you determine if u should case the guy or not? I really don't know what criteria should be considered...but I'm not a trained officer either. As you can see, I really think that a police officer is a trained professional and should therefore act like it by making decisions accordingly. I'm sure that cops aren't trained to chase somebody and drive beyond their abilities.

Bottom line....if the biker didn't run, this ACCIDENT (whether or not the trooper made a good or bad decision) would have NOT happened. Period. When I go out riding, I have never once thought about the fact that my actions could cause harm to others. The recent events that have taken place have really made me think about how I ride on the street and who I surround myself with.....remember that next time you go out because this story could be about any one of us.....

I have to agree w/ CNY750rider. I have an 06 1000. I love it! My first sport bike. I love the power and speed. I also know that everytime I twist the throttle past the posted limits, there is the chance of major consequences. None of us are above the law. Yes, it was stupid and showed poor judgement for the cop to pursue in his SUV, but that doesn't give any of us, myself included, the right to put others in danger. The cop hit a tree in what appears to be a rural area (at least from the pics from article #1). What if a kid or an elderly person was crossing a the road ahead and the rider went down, is it then that person's fault? Few people "deserve to die", especially when they were doing their job, regardless of occupation. Cops are leary of motorcylists because of guys like that. If you don't like it, save that speed for teh track, and ride a little more respectable and change their opinions for the rest of us.... (Can you be banned from a site for having an unpopular opinion?) Well, let's see, your logic um...has no fucking logic! If I am a cop, and I see a bike doing 175 MPH down bumfuck lane, and I engage pursuit, then I am required to radio in to dispatch... So I am doing 95 MPH down bumfuck lane, the bike is nowhere in site, I didn't radio dispatch because I want to punch him when I pull him over, so I gotta act like I caught him really quick. A buss full of nuns pulls in front of me and I run into it and me and all of the nuns die.....Whos fault is it? Well, heres the thing....The bike was speeding, that is for sure, but he has NO FUCKING IDEA THAT I AM CHASING HIM BECAUSE HE IS 9 MILES IN FRONT OF ME! So that would make the nazi trooper at fault for manslaughter of any and all of the nuns... I am sorry to have to break this down into pre-school terms, but some of you are so conditioned by 'the system' to say and do the right thing, it makes me fucking sick...

Well they caught the guy yesterday i beleive, so god only knows whats going to happen to him. regardless of who's fault it was a state trooper is dead and someone will pay for that im sure

Bottom line....if the biker didn't run, this ACCIDENT (whether or not the trooper made a good or bad decision) would have NOT happened. Period. If his mom had gotten an abortion, this wouldn't have happened. ...so, lets put her ass in jail!!! :hmmm: Hopefully you can see my point. The world is full of IF's. The cop had a choice to persue or not. His choice caused his death. I am sorry to have to break this down into pre-school terms, but some of you are so conditioned by 'the system' to say and do the right thing, it makes me fucking sick... Conditioned is the correct term for it. Just like how people actually view "child support" as a good thing...reguardless of the situation. Supporting your child is one thing, but when it doesn't actually go towards your child, it's just giving money to another adult. People are so conditioned by the system about this that they automatically think that money MUST be paid. Ex...my ex dresses like a queen, yet my child is dressed in rags. Now, do I look at it and think, "I've got to make my child support payments, for the good of mu daughter?" No, I know the money's not being used for my daughter. However, most people would think I'm just a horrible parent if I don't pay it. sorry..don't intend to threadjack with this. It's just another example of how people are conditioned.

Very well put Engloid! :clap:

The cop had a choice to persue or not. His choice caused his death. It's his job to persue. Tell me, do they have rules/laws in your world? If not, I'd like to visit for a week. Are you saying that you really think that an officer is not going to pursue a biker doing 100mph into a small town. I really don't want to debate this because I'm sick of talking about it but I need to understand your point. Or is this much bigger for you and you plan on a revolutionary war..... :lol:

It's his job to persue. [/qupte] That's a really shallow thought. I'm assuming that you don't think his job also includes things like keeping the public safety in mind? [QUOTE=CNY750Rider] Are you saying that you really think that an officer is not going to pursue a biker doing 100mph into a small town. I will assume that's a question. You know, it doesn't matter if I think he will or won't. The point is that he did. It was his choice. Obviously, the officer traveling a high rate of speed was posing a MUCH greater risk to public safety than the biker was. I really don't want to debate this because I'm sick of talking about it but I need to understand your point. Or is this much bigger for you and you plan on a revolutionary war..... :lol: I dunno. Logic may be beyond your capabilities. :rofl:

Sorry Lyte. Did it go well tho? Did you guys end up taking a ride too? :bowdown: i ended up having to pick up KRGdesigns at the air port right before so i was bikeless... james was in the car bringing the large items so he was bikeless.. of course krg was bikeless since i just got him from the airport... so i think ball was the only person you would know who rode... although there were several other guys who showed up on bikes... mostly the roaddog's crew

Bottom line....if the biker didn't run, this ACCIDENT (whether or not the trooper made a good or bad decision) would have NOT happened. Period. When I go out riding, I have never once thought about the fact that my actions could cause harm to others. The recent events that have taken place have really made me think about how I ride on the street and who I surround myself with.....remember that next time you go out because this story could be about any one of us..... But there is no proof the biker ran .... the biker was already doing 100 + the SUV had to turn around to chase him and crashed 2 minutes later... the biker might have never even knew the cop was there or turned around to chase him... i believe the kid turned his self in.. so he did stand up and be a man... but i don't think people should judge to quickly... i mean i watch people fly by cops on the fwy all the time doing less then 100mph and never see them till they are right behind them with lights and sirens

First of all, everyone has many valid opinions on this subject. I would like to say, however, that "Engloid".........you need a therapist. Do you have valid points? Absolutely, but the system is there to protect the kids. Just do the best you can with it. Second, the trooper's death was definately a terrible accident for everyone involved. Whether the motorcycle was speeding or not is besides the point. There comes a time when an officer needs to make a decision whether driving at high speeds to write a speeding ticket, pull a license, whatever, is worth driving a 4000 lb SUV through the streets and risking people's safety. Including his own. The reckless motorcycle driver would simply add to the organ donor's list. Was the trooper doing the right thing in that situation? For whatever reason he though so, but it wasn't worth him losing his life for it. People can hate us for riding sport bikes. Going to fast, stunting, burn outs, and other things. But when you get right down to it the officer left his family too early over what....................a ticket? :headshake The sad thing is this accident probably destroyed many more lives then just the troopers. Think of his kids, his wife, and his family. As much as I hate to say it, the Trooper killed himself. It sucks, but like my Grandfather always told me (a retired sheriff's officer), my radio can outrun your bike. Needless to say I think the radio would have been a better choice in that situation.

First of all, everyone has many valid opinions on this subject. I would like to say, however, that "Engloid".........you need a therapist. Do you have valid points? Absolutely, but the system is there to protect the kids. Just do the best you can with it. Second, the trooper's death was definately a terrible accident for everyone involved. Whether the motorcycle was speeding or not is besides the point. There comes a time when an officer needs to make a decision whether driving at high speeds to write a speeding ticket, pull a license, whatever, is worth driving a 4000 lb SUV through the streets and risking people's safety. Including his own. The reckless motorcycle driver would simply add to the organ donor's list. Was the trooper doing the right thing in that situation? For whatever reason he though so, but it wasn't worth him losing his life for it. People can hate us for riding sport bikes. Going to fast, stunting, burn outs, and other things. But when you get right down to it the officer left his family too early over what....................a ticket? :headshake The sad thing is this accident probably destroyed many more lives then just the troopers. Think of his kids, his wife, and his family. As much as I hate to say it, the Trooper killed himself. It sucks, but like my Grandfather always told me (a retired sheriff's officer), my radio can outrun your bike. Needless to say I think the radio would have been a better choice in that situation. I secon that.... And the motorcyclist shouldnt be charged of all those things..... Doesnt make any sense to me... or to any of the people i talked to.. even police officers...

First of all, everyone has many valid opinions on this subject. I would like to say, however, that "Engloid".........you need a therapist. Do you have valid points? Absolutely, but the system is there to protect the kids. Just do the best you can with it.Interesting that you say I need a therapist..yet your post parallels mine VERY closely. Oh, I forgot that a kid's life is more valuable than an adult. ...another one of society's conditioned thoughts. As somebody posted above, a cop died and they're going to make somebody pay for it. If it had happened in my area, they'd charge the guy with murder, then give him a plea for manslaughter and 7 years prison..and he'd be out in 2 years. No shit. A guy I know was convicted of 1st degree murder, was sentenced with 7 years, and was out in 4. It wasn't but a few years later he killed again. This time, he never even was tried for it. They "messed up" the paperwork and had to drop charges...they said. I think he rolled over on his accomplice for a plea. The kicker was the he then died of unexpected health problems suddenly, so neither of the guys served any time and charges against the second were dropped. Our DA sucks ass.

But there is no proof the biker ran .... the biker was already doing 100 + the SUV had to turn around to chase him and crashed 2 minutes later... the biker might have never even knew the cop was there or turned around to chase him... i believe the kid turned his self in.. so he did stand up and be a man... but i don't think people should judge to quickly... i mean i watch people fly by cops on the fwy all the time doing less then 100mph and never see them till they are right behind them with lights and sirens Actually there is proof he ran, his own statement. It is in his statement that they posted online but I can not find now. He was running because a warrant was out for his arrest - he blew off probation. I am with you guys, the charges are extreme and I do not think they will not stand in court. However, according to the news, this kid has a past with drugs, prior arrests for grand larceny, he didn't have a motorcycle endorsement, etc, etc. Also, I believe I read that he tried to hide his bike...... I ask, if he doesn't have a motorcycle endorsement...is he really a "rider"? I know what you mean tho Lyte....I do not know that I'm getting pulled over half the time because my mirrors stink. I usually hear the sirens before I see them. Engliod, I hear what your saying too..... The recent events have made me think alot and I'm going to start being a more responsible rider. The public traveling down highways should not be used as an audience. I'm as guilty as the next guy but I am ceasing all that kind of activity on the street. If I want to practice stunting, I will find a parking lot & if something happens....I will only be hurting myself. My hopes are that others will do the same in my area (& elsewhere) so we can save the hobby that we love so much.

The public traveling down highways should not be used as an audience. Just remember that many times, the people that are seen as an audience will be the ones to smile, grin and gesture for you to do wheelies...then call the cops on their cell phones.

Just remember that many times, the people that are seen as an audience will be the ones to smile, grin and gesture for you to do wheelies...then call the cops on their cell phones. Engliod - I have been riding for over 10 years. I know that. However, it doesn't mean that it should be done. The kids in the back seat give you the wheelie sign, while the parents call it in on their cell phone. I know what your saying but I am personally going to check my ego at the door before I going doing that on the streets. I am out there to test my abilities and have fun. Not impress the general public but I think it is cool....most of them don't like it. That's all I'm saying.

The bottom line is that the punishment does not fit the crime. His charges should include, but not be limited to: evading police, speeding, reckless driving, endangering the public, driving without endorsement, and probation violation. The officer did not deserve to die, and the biker does not deserve to be blamed for the officer driving beyond his abilities.

It's his job to persue. Tell me, do they have rules/laws in your world? If not, I'd like to visit for a week. Are you saying that you really think that an officer is not going to pursue a biker doing 100mph into a small town. I really don't want to debate this because I'm sick of talking about it but I need to understand your point. Or is this much bigger for you and you plan on a revolutionary war..... :lol: wow, someone has a cops balls resting on his chin yes, there are laws in my world, one of which is called a "Do not pursue Policy" it's a directive informing police that it is ILLEGAL for them to pursue sportsbikes in high speed chases, I guess that they realized that if they don't chase us, we wont run

wow, someone has a cops balls resting on his chin yes, there are laws in my world, one of which is called a "Do not pursue Policy" it's a directive informing police that it is ILLEGAL for them to pursue sportsbikes in high speed chases, I guess that they realized that if they don't chase us, we wont run Stackle - I'm only saying that everyone was at fault. Balls resting on my chin because I want to do the right thing? I do not think this guy should be charged with manslaughter....in no way.

Engliod - I have been riding for over 10 years. I know that. However, it doesn't mean that it should be done. The kids in the back seat give you the wheelie sign, while the parents call it in on their cell phone. I know what your saying but I am personally going to check my ego at the door before I going doing that on the streets. I am out there to test my abilities and have fun. Not impress the general public but I think it is cool....most of them don't like it. That's all I'm saying. I wasn't meaning to sound like I was lecturing you...just adding a thought that you might keep in mind to deter yourself from stunting on buy interstates. :thumbup:

[QUOTE]However, according to the news, this kid has a past with drugs, prior arrests for grand larceny, he didn't have a motorcycle endorsement, etc, etc. Also, I believe I read that he tried to hide his bike...... I ask, if he doesn't have a motorcycle endorsement...is he really a "rider"? you my friend are absolutely unbelievable! You must live in a world where bunnies can talk and Mr. Rodgers is the Milkman.... And just in case I didn't get my point through: YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND IN DENIAL MY FRIEND! You try to make this motorcyclist seem like more of a dark and evil person by saying he has a past with drugs....if we had an honest poll to find out how many members of this site had a past that included moderate/heavy drug use of some kind, you would really be surprised.... And the comment about how you question if he was a motorcyclist because he didn't have an endorsement! WHAT KIND OF PRESCHOOL LOGIC IS THAT?!?!?!? I mean, I know of a lot of mexicans that don't have green cards but Mr. Bush calls the fuckers americans...(sorry) But seriously dude....if you randomly saw me on my gixxer, riding down the street, and you wanted to comment to a friend about me, would you refer to me as that "individual, businessman, respectable upstanding citizen, homonid, post-primate species"? NO JACKASS< you would call me a "biker, motorcyclist, rider, jackass, whatever" My point is, I don't think you even realize how damn judgemental, arrogent, and self righteous what you have said all the way through this post has sounded. I picked up that something has recently changed in your life and you are rethinking your decisions, but honestly, I don't really think I should have to pay for your mistakes in the past by listening to you prattle on now. I know that I am making myself look like a complete asshole, but it's for the purpose of proving a point....

Stackle - I'm only saying that everyone was at fault. Balls resting on my chin because I want to do the right thing? I do not think this guy should be charged with manslaughter....in no way. (allright, so the balls on the chin was a little borderline, sorry) my point is that just because the cops are here to keep the public safe does not give them right to be reckless. two months ago a state trooper ran a redlight doing 70 in a 35 and killed 2 civilians here in WV...he is being prosecuted and we expect him to do prison time. he deserved it. he was not on an emergency, just showing off. Let him rot. The cop that chased his bike knew he couldn't catch him, he just wanted an adrenaline rush. He chose to ignore common policy, not call for a chase squad or a helo, and pursued himself. He made a choice, there was a result. basic chemistry my friend: for every action there is a reaction.. the cop made bad decision=the cop died for it.....end of story

Stackle - go ahead. You never liked me from the beginning anyways so I'm sure your going to jump all over this opportunity. I don't care tho. I'm not going to argue. I'm not judging him. I was trying to say he had a past with priors, and that the state & da are going to jump all over that. Maybe I should spell it out better so my comments are not twisted and used for your enjoyment. Pictures of us stunting made the local news with this story. I am concerned because I have never put thought to the fact that there are people out there that do not find it cool. I am trying to put myself on the other side of the fence and understand. Yes, I am going to change what I do on the streets. I have had a reality check that this could have been me on one of those days I was tearing up the twisties. I have skeltons in my closet too dude, who doesn't. Who didn't have fun in college? I know that. However, getting busted with crack is a differnt story imo. That is all I'm trying to relay. You are right, I may be self righteous now....I dunno. I have alot so many thought going thru my head (it is obvious) that I don't know what to think. I was hoping you guys could support me as I'm really putting myself out there on this. yes, I'm a huge hypocrite right now because I was always the first person to lead, rip the twisties, do a stand-up on the hwy & pull a endo at the stop light. I love doing it too. But I have realized that I need to stop doing it. Why, I dunno. I just feel that I do. So....I'm putting my self out there that I want to change how I ride...and I expect that some will bash me and some won't. That is what I will have to deal with.....thanks for your honest stackle. Hopefully some day you will see that I really am a decent person.

.....thanks for your honest stackle. Hopefully some day you will see that I really am a decent person. You'll be ok, even if he doesn't. ...really. :rofl:

Guys come on. Ok this man lost his life doing his job. For those who talk about a no pursuite law. Well first and formost. What about speeding laws? What about the law when a police officer is behind you you PULL OVER!!! I speed. I know that everytime I go out for a ride with my friends that we are going to run as fast as the bike will go. But I alst realie that if I get caught doing this it is no ones fault but my own. Its not the cops fault, its not Suzuki's fault or making the bike run that fast. It is my fault and my fault alone. No one made me twist my wrist. I do believe that the charges he is charged with is extreme, and that the poice officer should have used better judgment about chasing the bike. But the bottom line a man last his life. He has a chid that will never know his or her father and that is a sentence that has already been passed down on an unborn child. Guys if you do the crime be man enough to step up and admit to what you have done. And don't fault someone else because they did there job.

Guys if you do the crime be man enough to step up and admit to what you have done. And don't fault someone else because they did there job. I agree...but likewise, it's not the motorcyclist's fault that the cop died. It's a case of the police department (or DA's office) trying to blame the rider for the cop's mistake.

Actually there is proof he ran, his own statement. It is in his statement that they posted online but I can not find now. He was running because a warrant was out for his arrest - he blew off probation. I am with you guys, the charges are extreme and I do not think they will not stand in court. However, according to the news, this kid has a past with drugs, prior arrests for grand larceny, he didn't have a motorcycle endorsement, etc, etc. Also, I believe I read that he tried to hide his bike...... I ask, if he doesn't have a motorcycle endorsement...is he really a "rider"? I know what you mean tho Lyte....I do not know that I'm getting pulled over half the time because my mirrors stink. I usually hear the sirens before I see them. Engliod, I hear what your saying too..... The recent events have made me think alot and I'm going to start being a more responsible rider. The public traveling down highways should not be used as an audience. I'm as guilty as the next guy but I am ceasing all that kind of activity on the street. If I want to practice stunting, I will find a parking lot & if something happens....I will only be hurting myself. My hopes are that others will do the same in my area (& elsewhere) so we can save the hobby that we love so much. well i didn't know he admitted he knew... i just didn't want to make judgement to quickly.... the article i read said he turned his self in after it was all over the news.... i still don't think they can make the charges stick unless the kid was directly responsibile... and at best he was indirectly

you my friend are absolutely unbelievable! You must live in a world where bunnies can talk and Mr. Rodgers is the Milkman.... And just in case I didn't get my point through: YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND IN DENIAL MY FRIEND! You try to make this motorcyclist seem like more of a dark and evil person by saying he has a past with drugs....if we had an honest poll to find out how many members of this site had a past that included moderate/heavy drug use of some kind, you would really be surprised.... And the comment about how you question if he was a motorcyclist because he didn't have an endorsement! WHAT KIND OF PRESCHOOL LOGIC IS THAT?!?!?!? I mean, I know of a lot of mexicans that don't have green cards but Mr. Bush calls the fuckers americans...(sorry) But seriously dude....if you randomly saw me on my gixxer, riding down the street, and you wanted to comment to a friend about me, would you refer to me as that "individual, businessman, respectable upstanding citizen, homonid, post-primate species"? NO JACKASS< you would call me a "biker, motorcyclist, rider, jackass, whatever" My point is, I don't think you even realize how damn judgemental, arrogent, and self righteous what you have said all the way through this post has sounded. I picked up that something has recently changed in your life and you are rethinking your decisions, but honestly, I don't really think I should have to pay for your mistakes in the past by listening to you prattle on now. I know that I am making myself look like a complete asshole, but it's for the purpose of proving a point.... well to answer your question as a moderator i could truthfully say i have never touch any illegal drugs before in my life

well to answer your question as a moderator i could truthfully say i have never touch any illegal drugs before in my life But I did not Inhale..... :laughingr

well to answer your question as a moderator i could truthfully say i have never touch any illegal drugs before in my life so there's...um...One person on this site that has no history...my point is, the past is past...when I turned 18, I gotta lawyer and got a lot of dumb stuff expunged off my criminal record, and I started off fresh, and it's still relatively clear...

"I don't think you even realize how damn judgemental, arrogent, and self righteous what you have said all the way through this post has sounded."--from Stackle2. "Judgemental", Saying some of us have 'pre-school mentalities' isn't judgemental? You don't know me. I graduated Validictorian of my class. I ride, I speed, I drink (but never when I am out on my bike), I have tried pot once so I am not squeaky clean. And stating that you are going to ride the way you want to ride regardless of laws and safety regulations doesn't sound arrogent and self righteous to you? Ligten up! And when you are done tearing this reply apart, look me up some time and I will buy you a beer. You know why, because I have just as many wheels on the asphault as you (well, most of the time,,,,I don't wheelie yet :) )!

"I don't think you even realize how damn judgemental, arrogent, and self righteous what you have said all the way through this post has sounded."--from Stackle2. "Judgemental", Saying some of us have 'pre-school mentalities' isn't judgemental? You don't know me. I graduated Validictorian of my class. I ride, I speed, I drink (but never when I am out on my bike), I have tried pot once so I am not squeaky clean. And stating that you are going to ride the way you want to ride regardless of laws and safety regulations doesn't sound arrogent and self righteous to you? Ligten up! And when you are done tearing this reply apart, look me up some time and I will buy you a beer. You know why, because I have just as many wheels on the asphault as you (well, most of the time,,,,I don't wheelie yet :) )! The thing that I love about forums, is that no matter how much 'point vs. counterpoint' you play on here, there is allways someone else's opinion that sneaks in at the last minute. My point was not to say that regardless of various traffic laws I choose to ride however I want, my point is that most (not all, but most) folks that ride these quick little critters called 'crotchrockets' tend to break one or two traffic laws throughout a hard day of riding. I Just can't understand who we are to say whether the motorcyclist in question was guilty of something his hasnt' even been charged with yet based upon the fact that he was chased by a rather 'gung-ho' adrenaline junkie cop. And to whomever else thinks that I sounded like a total ass in my earlier post, I meant to. Nothing personal, I am sure most everyone knows that, it was just way too much speculation based upon way too few facts. So man'fuer: This beers for you! :drunk: afternote: my ultimate pet peeve: the morons that get inebriated as all hell and actually think that I am not going to chew them out when they show up for the locals sunday morning ride....AGFHHHGHGH

But I did not Inhale..... :laughingr Hahaha seriously! Never even smoked a cig before... I drink socially that's it.. I prefer to spend my hard earned money on other things besides drugs

Stackle - go ahead. You never liked me from the beginning anyways so I'm sure your going to jump all over this opportunity. I don't care tho. I'm not going to argue. I actually have nothing at all against you. You just happened to be the person that made the comments that I disagreed with. So I commented back, as did you...Nothing personal dude! Just opinions flying every which way, and you know what they say about opinions and assholes.... yes, I'm a huge hypocrite right now because I was always the first person to lead, rip the twisties, do a stand-up on the hwy & pull a endo at the stop light. I love doing it too. But I have realized that I need to stop doing it. Why, I dunno. I just feel that I do. So....I'm putting my self out there that I want to change how I ride... And that my brother is what makes me realize you aren't the asshole that I was beginning to wonder if you are...Having the fucking balls to realize that you were wrong, and then actually developing an alternative plan of action and implementing it, that is positive developmental growth...Keep it up..

You know this is the longest semi adult discussion/debate we have had in a long time... Everyone is sharing there point of view and there is no more mud slanging then there is in a political race.... :clap:

Yes, the first step is to admit that you have a stunting addiction. :rofl:

so would that make the 2'nd step believing in a higher power? what would that be? The mystic suspension guru in the sky?! :twofinger

Put Down The Front Wheel And Step Back 3 Steps!!

I feel bad for the Po Po's family but he shouldn't have chased the dude. State Troopers thing there so damn tough and can't be out ran. Thats what he get for chasing a bike. Other po po's need to look at this and learn. Leave the bike alone! I'd like to know what kind of bike it was.

who is to say that he was the actual rider he could went down the same road 5 mins earlier at the same speed.....if the mirrors are that small or non existant you cant see whats behind you..Interrogation will twist everything around.....they'll make a virgin thinks shes the worlds slut......but two mins at accelerated speeds the suv had weight transfer to the back not front and its top heavy....not a good combo......hell around here we have excursions..why????dont kno, cars out here run from them all the time....smartest thing was to radio ahead for a possible roadblock......ex. My brothers car club was racing toward downtown going about 90+ mph and at the gas station the cop was flirting with a woman when we went by....he came out to chase us, i blew past them to tell them to split up and i turned off into a empty parking lot and parked...the cop chase them for a mile b4 the other cop had the road blocked...i went down to find everybody out of the cars while the cops talked to them.....if anything the cop used his brain cuz he did about 60 mph when coming after us....we could have all ran they never seen his lights cuz he was too far back...so i can say sometimes u dont pay attention to ur mirrors to see whats going on....

well you see, the reason we know it's the same kid the the cop saw originally, is that: HE ADMITTED TO IT

[QUOTE=nevacme]Interrogation will twist everything around.....they'll make a virgin thinks shes the worlds slut......QUOTE] not really true. I used to train detectives/troopers to do passive interrogations. The intention of an interrogation is to ellicit the 'true' story. Sometimes you gotta filter through a lot of lies though before you get to the truth, and that can really hurt a suspect. If a cop wanted to be a dick, he could interrogate you until you finally got sick of being there and admitted to whatever. At which point he has you for the crime, but he can also bring back up the bullshit bravado you were talking when he first brought you in the room. I am sure that none of us here on the site have ever had this happen, but most folks tend to run their mouths and talk a lot of shit when a cop starts to question them.... But in response to your comment, no, interrogations are not intended to make you into Osama. they are just to find out complete involvement with said crime...

My prayers go out to the family and friends of the cop, but seriously.. he should have NEVEr tried to chace down a bike dping 100+ in a SUV.

I used to train detectives/troopers to do passive interrogations. The intention of an interrogation is to ellicit the 'true' story. This is right along the lines of a statement like "cops don't lie." Cops use interrogation in any way THEY please to...not necessarily the way you or anybody teaches.

I have to agree w/ CNY750rider. I have an 06 1000. I love it! My first sport bike. I love the power and speed. I also know that everytime I twist the throttle past the posted limits, there is the chance of major consequences. None of us are above the law. Yes, it was stupid and showed poor judgement for the cop to pursue in his SUV, but that doesn't give any of us, myself included, the right to put others in danger. The cop hit a tree in what appears to be a rural area (at least from the pics from article #1). What if a kid or an elderly person was crossing a the road ahead and the rider went down, is it then that person's fault? Few people "deserve to die", especially when they were doing their job, regardless of occupation. Cops are leary of motorcylists because of guys like that. If you don't like it, save that speed for teh track, and ride a little more respectable and change their opinions for the rest of us.... (Can you be banned from a site for having an unpopular opinion?) I couldn't agree more

I couldn't agree more +1 Damn some people don't have a heart here....I've been in that area riding and that is no road to be doing 100+ mph. People don't understand that when you do stupid shit like run from the police, it just going to cause more problem for all of us who enjoy riding. I hate to sound like an ass, but I think the rider should've crashed not the cop...

I can't see the rider being blamed for this, charge the guy for running/speeding etc., but not manslaughter/murder for the cop because the cop made a serious mistake chasing the guy....I feel bad the guy is dead but the law should not be taken out on this rider cause there was a poor decision made....SUV chasing bike= :headshake

well you see, the reason we know it's the same kid the the cop saw originally, is that: HE ADMITTED TO IT damn well then hes screwed if they really stick it to him

Sorry to butt in. I feel for the cops family and the biker. BUT This is all nuts. I can't imagin going 100 mph seeing a cop pass me, then getting home safe and sound, then hearing that a cop died chasing some bike. Then admitting it was probably me. Then getting blammed for killing a cop. (Reaction) WHAT KILLING A COP. I was having fun on a bike not out to kill someone. If this was you on that bike you would be confused and scared as hell as to what just happened and what might happen to your life because you were doing 100 mph. I drive an ambulance and there is no way I can put myself, my partners or the public in danger to save a life. I get there fast as saftey allows. The cop wasn't saving a life and the biker didn't just kill someone. There is no need to go killing yourself because some dumbass was going 100 mph. It's just that simple.

Sorry to butt in. I feel for the cops family and the biker. BUT This is all nuts. I can't imagin going 100 mph seeing a cop pass me, then getting home safe and sound, then hearing that a cop died chasing some bike. Then admitting it was probably me. Then getting blammed for killing a cop. (Reaction) WHAT KILLING A COP. I was having fun on a bike not out to kill someone. If this was you on that bike you would be confused and scared as hell as to what just happened and what might happen to your life because you were doing 100 mph. I drive an ambulance and there is no way I can put myself, my partners or the public in danger to save a life. I get there fast as saftey allows. The cop wasn't saving a life and the biker didn't just kill someone. There is no need to go killing yourself because some dumbass was going 100 mph. It's just that simple. I second every bit of what he said....... :thumbup:

Sorry to butt in. I feel for the cops family and the biker. BUT This is all nuts. I can't imagin going 100 mph seeing a cop pass me, then getting home safe and sound, then hearing that a cop died chasing some bike. Then admitting it was probably me. Then getting blammed for killing a cop. (Reaction) WHAT KILLING A COP. I was having fun on a bike not out to kill someone. If this was you on that bike you would be confused and scared as hell as to what just happened and what might happen to your life because you were doing 100 mph. I drive an ambulance and there is no way I can put myself, my partners or the public in danger to save a life. I get there fast as saftey allows. The cop wasn't saving a life and the biker didn't just kill someone. There is no need to go killing yourself because some dumbass was going 100 mph. It's just that simple. very well said :thumbup:

I'm fron the CNY area not too far outside of Syracuse. I guess they caught the kid who ran. Supposedly he's only 20 years old but "has had problems with law enforcement before". What'd he do steal a candy bar? I'm sure the cops wanted to make him seem as bad as possible so they don't have to admit that one of their own was a complete dumb ass. I don't think they've released the kids name but I know they brought him up on manslaughter charges. I also know I'll be supporting the kid as he goes through his trial. That is sort of stretching it don't ya think. I mean, when a cop is chasing a bike or even a car on that matter, do the cops catch a case? I don't think so. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll try to keep ya'll updated though.

Dumbass cops. it was the cops fault that he died and not the motorcycles fault. If it was me I wouldn't turn myself in. F the Police :twofinger

where i live in michigan we had a clinton county cop chasin someone at over a hundred mis a curve and go through a house and die... they never foudn the car he was chasin and this makes me wonder... who shoudl be drivin the cop car??? i think the guy that got away should get his job..... and this isnt some local talent cop a small town cop or anythgin liek that this was a county cop arnt they supposed to be skill drivers to become part of the county cops? ok thats all i got when the cops hit the lights hit the rev limiter...

I agree with the feeling that the officer involved in this fubar situation showed no judgement and the rider was not at fault.

:thumbup: Sorry to butt in. I feel for the cops family and the biker. BUT This is all nuts. I can't imagin going 100 mph seeing a cop pass me, then getting home safe and sound, then hearing that a cop died chasing some bike. Then admitting it was probably me. Then getting blammed for killing a cop. (Reaction) WHAT KILLING A COP. I was having fun on a bike not out to kill someone. If this was you on that bike you would be confused and scared as hell as to what just happened and what might happen to your life because you were doing 100 mph. I drive an ambulance and there is no way I can put myself, my partners or the public in danger to save a life. I get there fast as saftey allows. The cop wasn't saving a life and the biker didn't just kill someone. There is no need to go killing yourself because some dumbass was going 100 mph. It's just that simple.

What happened to radios? do cops still have those things.......call ahead....."you have a vehicle moving at high speed.....set up a block".....problem solved

I say that the Trooper was being a Nazi cocksucker, he was obviously a moron, SUV't CAN"T FUCKING CATCH BIKES...and according to Mr. Darwin, the Trooper got what was comming to him... The idea that you can honestly say that the officer had what was coming to him sickens me...You should be ashamed of yourself. Do I think he made a mistake by chasing the biker, yes. If he knew he was going to die, I'm pretty sure he would have let him go. And to say that the biker didnt know he was being chased is total bullsh*t.

As a Deputy I feel for the cop , his family and department. When i first started 10 years ago i was gung ho to chase for any violation or crime, the thought being if you let them go nobodody would not stop, thats not the case. Well as i got older and wiser, i saw that while some cops use good judgment to start or not start a pursuit, there are still the younger, less mature cops who think they are invincable. More cops are killed each year on the job in car accidents than by the hand of criminals. Most people stop because its the right thing to do, just like most people obey laws when the police aren't around because its right. I think there should be laws written for peolpe who run and cause the death by their actions, Do i think its murder, No, but i do think negligence on their part reqiures conciqence(sp?). Anyway, all jobs have there 10%. Some cops are understanding and try to instruct without using a fine(when possible) and others write no matter what. I hate taking hard earned money from people so whenever possible i try to go with the instucting, sometimes i can't but i do try. I chase when it warrants and i call it off if i feel its gotten to the point where i am endangering the public, the violator and myself more than the violation or crime warrants. Plus my dept doesn't chase for traffic. Just not worth it. Many times i hit my lights and its bye, bye bike. Oh well there's always tomorrow.. just my opinion Later, Orv :thumbup:

The idea that you can honestly say that the officer had what was coming to him sickens me...You should be ashamed of yourself. Do I think he made a mistake by chasing the biker, yes. If he knew he was going to die, I'm pretty sure he would have let him go. And to say that the biker didnt know he was being chased is total bullsh*t. I agree that the wording is pretty harsh, but in a lighter wording, I can agree with the sentiment. In other words, he drove beyond his abilities and paid the harshest consequences of all. I really don't see how you can be so sure that the biker did know he was being chased. Most people stop because its the right thing to do, just like most people obey laws when the police aren't around because its right. Do us all a favor and spread the word that it does do some good to let bikers go sometimes. For example, I got a ticket recently. The cop thanked me for not runnning :hmmm: ..but still gave me a ticket. By writing me a ticket, all my buddies now will all say "you should have ran." ..and begin telling war stories of how they got away. If the cop had let me go, it would have reinforced my thinking that I am better off to pull over, and maybe served as a lesson to others to do the same.

Do us all a favor and spread the word that it does do some good to let bikers go sometimes. For example, I got a ticket recently. The cop thanked me for not runnning :hmmm: ..but still gave me a ticket. By writing me a ticket, all my buddies now will all say "you should have ran." ..and begin telling war stories of how they got away. If the cop had let me go, it would have reinforced my thinking that I am better off to pull over, and maybe served as a lesson to others to do the same.[/QUOTE] I do what one person can. you stopped and got a ticket,it does suck but how bad was the violation. If i have to give a ticket because the violation is so bad i will find a lesser cheaper charge, expalin that i can't let it go and get a "thank you" from most people. But you are right, not every violation deserves a fine.

I do what one person can. you stopped and got a ticket,it does suck but how bad was the violation. If i have to give a ticket because the violation is so bad i will find a lesser cheaper charge, expalin that i can't let it go and get a "thank you" from most people. But you are right, not every violation deserves a fine. I got hit for 85 in a 55 zone. It's a strip of road that is 70mph speed limit, but being that it's a state hwy that does have an end to it, they dro the limit to 55 about 10 miles before the end. It's a definite speed trap. Most people don't even know the limit drops on that road. The cop got me right after the drop in speed limit. He was a Sgt, and said he couldn't drop the speed or anything. If more cops were cool about these things, less sportbikes would run. If they knew they'd only get a ticket about 30% of the time, they'd think twice about running...obviously, the higher the chance of a ticket only increases a persons desire to run. Most cops don't seem to understand this. Thanks for having the logic that so many don't.

If I am speeding, there is no way I'd run just to save myself some money.....I'll man up and take the punishment that comes with it. There is no amount of money that I will save that is worth risking my life to get away from a cop. It is there job....why should they "be cool" and let people go. They are paid to do a job.....plain and simple. FLAME ON!

It is there job....why should they "be cool" and let people go. Read my post. The answer is in there.

It is our job to make the roads safe and get motorist to voluntarally comply. If the same can be done with a warning then i've done my job. Drive safe...Orv

:headshake dumbass kid! Dumbass cop! ! ! ! :headshake

I obviously dont know the whole story, but bikers blaming the cops for getting killed is ridiculous.. I love my bike and love driving fast in certain conditions... However, that being said.... Im also an officer and have a job to do.. Any idiot stupid enough to run from the police has no business on a bike anyway... The rider needs to take some responsibility.. If that officer were his family Im sure things would be different.....

Any idiot stupid enough to run from the police has no business on a bike anyway... The rider needs to take some responsibility.. Yes, he should take responsibility for HIS actions. He shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of the cop. If you don't agree, try this situation: YOU are speeding. (Yeah, I know you have done it before, even if it's not a habit or done on purpose.) A cop clocks you and comes after you. Of course, since he's stopped and you're already running about 57mph (still only 2 over the limit), it takes him a couple miles to catch up. During this 2 mile drive that he's making to catch up to you, he runs a red light and kills a 7yo kid. Are YOU responsible for HIS wrongful actions? My point here is that you cannot play both sides of the fence. A definite line has to be drawn. If you think this motorcyclist should be held accountable for the actions of the officer, then you should be held accountable if a cop makes a bad decision in giving you a ticket.

This is sad, they will try and stick this guy with some bullshit charge. In ohio they are not suppose to give chase and put other lives in danger. I can't see how he thought a suv would catch a bike anyway.

Yes, he should take responsibility for HIS actions. He shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of the cop. If you don't agree, try this situation: YOU are speeding. (Yeah, I know you have done it before, even if it's not a habit or done on purpose.) A cop clocks you and comes after you. Of course, since he's stopped and you're already running about 57mph (still only 2 over the limit), it takes him a couple miles to catch up. During this 2 mile drive that he's making to catch up to you, he runs a red light and kills a 7yo kid. Are YOU responsible for HIS wrongful actions? My point here is that you cannot play both sides of the fence. A definite line has to be drawn. If you think this motorcyclist should be held accountable for the actions of the officer, then you should be held accountable if a cop makes a bad decision in giving you a ticket. Seeing that they won't want to pay the mother and/or father of the child, yes you are. But if you look at it the right way, no you're not. It was the cops call to chase or not to chase and if it was up to me the cop would be wrong. But we all know how the law works.

I came across this on another forum. After reading it I thought of CNY750Rider. I hope he's in San Diego and not involved. :headshake Article I (http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=F99DC937-1F13-4F69-98AE-EEA6EBB57ED4) Article II (http://www.wixt.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=458C6E15-45A3-4563-8CC3-B0DF7B48EEAB) These two articles tell a horrible story. That kid is a bad place now. I do see how he could not notice being chased. Everyone of us has gone so fast that we would never notice. No matter what, he still is going to serve time for man slaughter and end up someones bitch. :headshake

Just caught this thread. 1) The cop was just plain dumb for pursuing in an SUV. That is what the radio is for. The officer endangered everone elses life on that road. This is the reason why some states do not allow high speed pursuits... In an SUV even. He should have called ahead to try to intercept. An SUV is not going to catch a bike. Most cars won't even. A Radio will. 2) The kid was stupid if he got caught or made any comments. He should have shut up and in his day in court had three buddies show up on similar buty different looking bikes, similar helmets and gear, etc, and then asked to be picked out as the rider ON THE bike and with the gear on. For one the bike was traveling the other direction, and at that speed and depending on the conditions etc. it woukld be EXTREMELY difficult for anyone to pick out that bike especially since the bike was visually lost for at least two minutes or more. I am sorry when anyone dies, but what the cop did seems almost as wreckless as the kid. When you ride at that speed, you assume risks and often the only real crime is you may be asking others to accept risk too who are sharing the road. Should have used the radio

These two articles tell a horrible story. That kid is a bad place now. I do see how he could not notice being chased. Everyone of us has gone so fast that we would never notice. No matter what, he still is going to serve time for man slaughter and end up someones bitch. :headshake That's kind of harsh, he might be the bitch maker.

yeah that happen here in florida, the troppers tire busted on 95 and he hit a tree and died. They found the motorcycle and charged him with manslaughter

that sucks. A cop was in a chase here in Ohio some years ago and he hit a car with a woman in it, she lost her unborn child. They charged the cop and chaged our laws. But a cop was in a chase and he hit a pole, died and they charged the one that was running. I think that they should not charge a person with man 1 in cases like this. No one tells the cops to chase. They make them calls all the time. If he was sitting there with a donut, he would have not given it two thoughts. Plus what fool thinks an suv is safe at speeds of a 100 + mph.

the more I think about this....the cop was a fucking moron! A kid made a stupid decision and now has to live the rest of his life w/ this dumbass cop shadowing his life, but they cant have the dept looking that fucking stupid so they gotta blame somebody for somebody elses actions, tipical pigs :2hard

Just caught this thread. 2) The kid was stupid if he got caught or made any comments. He should have shut up and in his day in court had three buddies show up on similar buty different looking bikes, similar helmets and gear, etc, and then asked to be picked out as the rider ON THE bike and with the gear on. For one the bike was traveling the other direction, and at that speed and depending on the conditions etc. it woukld be EXTREMELY difficult for anyone to pick out that bike especially since the bike was visually lost for at least two minutes or more. Please tell me how they could pick him out of a line up of 3 people, when the only person that saw him on the bike is DEAD!!!!! and plus he already admited that it was him.......

I just want to know how can you see someone chase'n you at over a 100. I would be looking down the road and not in a mirror, might miss the deer crossing and look up at the eyes to late.

We all have to realize that some people dont know any better and make the rest of us bikers look bad. The other bikers that think they are bad a$$ think its cook to speed and swerve around cars in a tank top, sunglasses and sandals. They honestly dont know any better and never will till they wreck. Them wrecking one puts a bad name out for ALL of us. Right? What can we do to stop this?

We all have to realize that some people dont know any better and make the rest of us bikers look bad. The other bikers that think they are bad a$$ think its cook to speed and swerve around cars in a tank top, sunglasses and sandals. They honestly dont know any better and never will till they wreck. Them wrecking one puts a bad name out for ALL of us. Right? What can we do to stop this? I think the point is the fact that a cop went to chase them in a SUV. That was not to smart. And your right, there are a few that give a bad name to use. But on the other hand if he was on a harley doing the same, people would look at it a lot different. I'm not saying it's cool to speed in and out of traffic, but it only said he was speeding. And for the life of me, I can't understand why someone would think an SUV would catch a bike at a 100+ coming from a stand still.

"FHP, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and Miami-Dade County police, like most other agencies, have a no-chase policy -- especially when it comes to speeding motorcycles." quoted from FHP's website. He knows his own laws, and in a SUV for that matter...... and 2 minutes later. The Biker has no idea what going 2 minutes behind him. He could have been slowed down and doing speed limit by that time. Cant really blame the biker unless, he was intentionally switching lanes trying to get the cop off his tail. 100+ is no business for a cop car to chase a bike, its failry easy on a bike to get to that speed with the lighest twist of the throttle, for a SUV ( which I own both) its hard to get there even 90mph in a SUV is tough and it feels like the truck is stressing itself.

we had soemthing similar happen in Dallas and the guy was never busted. They got him but had no evidence against him for it.

we had soemthing similar happen in Dallas and the guy was never busted. They got him but had no evidence against him for it. I can see that happening in this case too. If they catch this guy, they have to prove he knew he was being chased to get manslaughter.

I can see that happening in this case too. If they catch this guy, they have to prove he knew he was being chased to get manslaughter. I disagree. Manslaughter would be more appropriate if he had hit somebody, killing them. In this case, he was nowhere near the accident scene when it happened. This is more a case of evading. Had the cop hit somebody and killed them, the cop should have been charged with manslaughter...not the rider.

I tell ya what, knowing plenty of cops from them being in the national guard acting like they are military minded playing their old boy games I figure even if they ever do drag some kid into a court to play he was driving fast I'd want to know what friends the policeman had that are bike riders. The police play more games than kids and even if they are dangerous resort to saying they have it in control like any other fool risking life and limb. Not trying to say anything bad about cops but they would try to turn something to their advantage even if it is a friend killing themself while they play games. Then there is the basic feature of policemen that they don't want to wait for lights some times. Plenty over here will hit the lights to run a light once in a while. Could just be he forgot something and wanted to go back for it. Would be nice to see an inventory of what he had on him and an idea of where he was headed. Off duty cops normally could not care too much about speeders unless this one was looking for an excuse to speed. Even some on duty couldn't care less about speeders. Dragging in a kid that owns a bike isn't proof of why the cop turned around running lights and siren in my book. I'd imagine there would even be a cell phone record to look at and see if he got a reason to turn around or even was on the cell phone when driving fast. If he didn't have a police radio and didn't call the station on his cell phone then he probably wasn't in a chase. Stated simple to understand is whatever outweighed the common knowledge of an SUV is not a high speed vehicle I'd bet it wasn't a speeder. Sounds like a personal problem he had to me since it ended in his death which all police know is avoidable by not making bad judgments like trying to fly an SUV in a chase. For a personal reason flying an SUV would be more likely. Maybe it was even medication he shouldn't of been driving on. Could of been new tires, performance add ons or vehicle he was trying to get the feel of. In hind sight he should of bought a bike. I hope the guy rests in peace. St Peter probably asked him at the pearly gates, do you want an SUV or GSX-R1000 to get around on now.

I disagree. Manslaughter would be more appropriate if he had hit somebody, killing them. In this case, he was nowhere near the accident scene when it happened. This is more a case of evading. Had the cop hit somebody and killed them, the cop should have been charged with manslaughter...not the rider. I agree with you on this, but you know how cops think and they'll say it's the riders faught for speeding.

I agree with you on this, but you know how cops think and they'll say it's the riders faught for speeding. Cop logoc: charge him with manslaughter, then let him pay big money for a lawyer that will get him a plea bargain where he pleads guilty to reckless endangerment, evading, speeding, and several other traffic offenses...and they will drop the manslaughter charge in return.

Cop logoc: charge him with manslaughter, then let him pay big money for a lawyer that will get him a plea bargain where he pleads guilty to reckless endangerment, evading, speeding, and several other traffic offenses...and they will drop the manslaughter charge in return. cop doesn't charge him with manslaughter. Most likely its the prosecutor/district attourney. Thats our legal system at work!

cop doesn't charge him with manslaughter. Most likely its the prosecutor/district attourney. Thats our legal system at work! Sometimes, yes. It depends on the cop and how much responsibility he wants to accept.

this looks like "lets make an exsample out of the biker and shoot for everything we can get scenario" i just hope the dude has a kick ass attorney!!

either way it goes, he's charged and has to face a judge and jury for the shit.

either way it goes, he's charged and has to face a judge and jury for the shit. he doesnt have to... :cool:

either way it goes, he's charged and has to face a judge and jury for the shit. That's the worst part. The lawyers will often base their "retainer" on the charges that the person faces. Even if he's found to be not guilty, or the charges are dismissed, he'll be out a ton of money. It's sad that nobody's held accountable for this.

he doesnt have to... :cool: you're right, he could enter a plea of guilty it his areinment(sp).

Every ones probably trying their best to be involved which is how the whole horrible affair started with only one and he paid with his life. I don’t hear any mention of anything but the bike rider. Not that I know lots of information is full of bull or smoke and mirrors but I’d think the police could at least figure witness’s they have to the accident might just of been the cause and omit vital comments in statements like their reactions or the police omitting the suv taking more loose traction emergency lanes as a route since witness’s weren’t reacting fast enough for the guy. Nobody wants to die but at least don’t push your luck on the hwy with out an out that doesn’t harm others and lastly yourself. Appears the policeman adhered to the rules I go by but couldn’t avoid loosing his life. What ever course the policeman was taking to try and make up for lousy car drivers that don’t check mirrors or might not understand an suv with or without police lights speeding up on them should be gotten out of the way of, it’s cost him and his family his life. Pretty lousy affair. Great chance to bust the car drivers also since they were more directly involved with the policemans driving actions. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I guess is an suv and never would trust it at high speeds since it has tons of low end torque for recovery but acts the oposite on the high end. Big mistake trying high speed manuevers with out torque and being top heavy. Personally. The kid wears ear rings. Hang him :D Then also what exactly the heck was going on where the accident happened?

Every ones probably trying their best to be involved which is how the whole horrible affair started with only one and he paid with his life. I don’t hear any mention of anything but the bike rider. Not that I know lots of information is full of bull or smoke and mirrors but I’d think the police could at least figure witness’s they have to the accident might just of been the cause and omit vital comments in statements like their reactions or the police omitting the suv taking more loose traction emergency lanes as a route since witness’s weren’t reacting fast enough for the guy. Nobody wants to die but at least don’t push your luck on the hwy with out an out that doesn’t harm others and lastly yourself. Appears the policeman adhered to the rules I go by but couldn’t avoid loosing his life. What ever course the policeman was taking to try and make up for lousy car drivers that don’t check mirrors or might not understand an suv with or without police lights speeding up on them should be gotten out of the way of, it’s cost him and his family his life. Pretty lousy affair. Great chance to bust the car drivers also since they were more directly involved with the policemans driving actions. I drive a Jeep Grand Cherokee that I guess is an suv and never would trust it at high speeds since it has tons of low end torque for recovery but acts the oposite on the high end. Big mistake trying high speed manuevers with out torque and being top heavy. Personally. The kid wears ear rings. Hang him :D Then also what exactly the heck was going on where the accident happened? that was fucking tough to read...I still don't know what the point was and now have a headache, thanks. :lol:

Simple? The accident happened due the policeman and the surrounding traffic actions. They are smoking drugs. Reminds me of the suicide where police closed the case saying the dead man shot himself in the head 3 times. I remember the east coast real good. Definite stoners. Most of them can't drive worth a darn either.

Simple? The accident happened due the policeman and the surrounding traffic actions. They are smoking drugs. Reminds me of the suicide where police closed the case saying the dead man shot himself in the head 3 times. I remember the east coast real good. Definite stoners. Most of them can't drive worth a darn either. Sounds like you did the driving and the drug tests yourself, so you're well qualified to assess their sobriety and driving skills :rofl:

the cop was probablly drunk too :laughingr As funny as that may sound I have found that more then a couple of cops have drunk on the job. Things that makes you go Hmmmmm!

Had a drunk cop over here who ran a red light killing a girl after sucking them up at the bar. The police were letting the cop off with their reports from the scene of the accident. So it ended up with the family of the poor girl using witness's after the accident to get the cop on trial for murder. Guy was so drunk it was evident to eveybody. Fricking sick puppies some of those police. Cop ended up guilty but it wasn't the police doing what's right. In that case it was very evident who was wrong. Some police even in the event of innocent girl being killed by a drunk they work with will set the blame on some other person. The bike riding kid charged with manslaughter is just cotton candy in the world of a cops mind. Sadly they are really lost on who was resposible for the accident. I'm sure the police department is trying for financial pay to his family trying to avoid a discussion of reckless abandonment on the apart of the off duty suv flyer. I really do think he might of been on drugs. I do know no matter how much training a guy gets driving and certified with in the real game the guy has to be good driver reguardless of training. Seems his training if any was a waste of the police budget.

The biker knew the road way better then the cop. I agree, the biker didnt even know he was being chased. FTP. I hate how they make sport bikes some kinda out laws. The cop knew he was speeding and i know for a FACT THEY HAVE TO CALL IT IN. But i know for a fact, they dont, and they try to be a hero's..Maybe he just had bad breath and fog the windsheld. Then he saw the tree and thought he was home so he pulled in the driveway.......Lucy iam home!! :2hard

i think this cop saw a opportunity to commit suicide and took it.. :cool:

Spicoli of "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" said it best, "Stupid people shouldn't drive". That goes for bikers, cops, hot rodders anybody.... :infrandom