1st race

Aight i got a 06 gixxer 600. Its still stock as yall know parts not out 4 it as yet. Ok me and some friends went out this morning to race our bikes. My 1st race i whooped a 05 cbr 600. It was 1st gear roll 3 beeps and i didnt see him anymore next to me when we took off. I got up to 160mph in 5th (right by redline). So i'm thinking i probably can hit about 175. only 1 way to find out. And the other nght i raced my boy 06 ninja636 and beat him also. I think his bike is faster....but on that race it was the rider. tell me what yall think

what do i think? i think you shouldn't racing on the street.

i think ur right. but the street we raced on didnt have much cars at all. kinda lonely long road. Nobody is prefect we all do things we shouldnt be doing...nah mean

what do i think? i think you shouldn't racing on the street. I don't consider that racing. I consider it dumb kids on the street. If you wanna find out, take your bike to a drag strip and do it from a dead stop like a man. THEN come here and brag about it.

i think ur right. but the street we raced on didnt have much cars at all. kinda lonely long road. Nobody is prefect we all do things we shouldnt be doing...nah mean no....i don't. the track is the place for that stuff. people that do those things on the street are the reason for the reputation sportbikesers have.

WOW this site is full of people getting their asses handed to them today! It sounds like some people forgot to take their cranky pills today! lol..

WOW this site is full of people getting their asses handed to them today! It sounds like some people forgot to take their cranky pills today! lol.. everyone is so quick to judge other people!!!!

everyone is so quick to judge other people!!!! well he did ask what people thought of it. the guys that responded are track guys and they are entitled to think that.

well he did ask what people thought of it. the guys that responded are track guys and they are entitled to think that. your right no one has ever gone fast on the street!

tell me what yall think I thik you're a kid who started on the wrong bike.

I thik you're a kid who started on the wrong bike. i agree thats alot of bike for someone new to riding...at least hes not gettin a 10 or a busa! whats he supposed to ride a scooter? and for 250's, 500's...so goddamn ugly and i wouldnt be seen on one!

ok i know u guys are right. But damn most of yall act u never ever race on the streets b4...Or ride very fast (triple digits speeds). And yes its my 1st bike. I;m just seeing what it can do. And praticing on my launch so when i go to the track i dont look like and idot cutting 2.4's 60 and running high 12's low 13's. Once again as i said nobody is perfect people do stupid shit every now and then. Atlest some1 have to agree with me on that 1. well 4 those of yall who race on the streets and the track...just be carefull

and for 250's, 500's...so goddamn ugly and i wouldnt be seen on one! Ugly is in the eye of the beholder. Ever seen stupidity inspired roadrash? That's real ugly. Also here's a nice 250 that isn't ugly: http://www.cbxmanmotorcycles.com/Motorcycles/Hyosung-Sport-Motorcycles/Hyosung-GT250-Sport-Bike.jpg And an assortment of 500's~650's that aren't ugly and make great beginner bikes... http://www.suzukihollos.hu/motor/upload/c1_medium/2005gs500f_a.jpg http://www.hyonet.com/tuotteet/gt650/gt650r-2.jpg ^ :yumyum: http://www.globalautousa.com/Bikes%2010325.jpg http://www.raymermotorsports.com/kawasaki/motorcycles/sportbikes/images/ninja650r-slv_small.jpg http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Yamaha_YZF_600R_ThunderCat.jpg http://www.gdlcycles.com/images/HondaPics/HondaCBR600F2.jpg ...plus about 5000 others... But damn most of yall act u never ever race on the streets b4... I have never in my life street-raced a motorcycle. My street racing days ended about the same time as puberty.

I've never street raced either. And I'll tell ya what, as someone who does go to the track often. The guys who show up, and are total newbs and ask for help and eager to learn, are always a shit load faster than the guys who show up and think they know what they're doing. There's nothing wrong with being new and in-experienced. You know its funny, I never though those stories about people being influenced by movies like fast and the furious and biker boys were true. I guess there are some people simple enough to be influenced by them though.

your right no one has ever gone fast on the street! where did I say that no one has ever gone fast on the street :headscrat

everyone is so quick to judge other people!!!! Yes. Everyone is quick to judge. Every car on the road that someone blasts past at 150 mph is also quick to judge, and they judge all sportbikers the same way as the moron who passed them like that. If you really want to go fast, get on the track. It's loads more fun, and it's so much safer you really can't fathom it until you've done it. Before today I hadn't ridden my bike on the street in two and a half weeks. Why? Partly because it was still in track configuration, but also because street riding just isn't as much fun anymore. I still ride with a few friends when I can, but just riding down the road is boring, and that makes it dangerous. Chango

My dude wants to get a bike. I told hom to get this gix 600 that he saw. They have come along way with 600 and after reading some of these post, i felt good telling him to get one.

i have been to the track alot of times (with my car). I havent went with my bike s yet. But i'll go pretty soon. So people on here say they neva raced on the streets b4..But i know some ride fast. And 4 all who wanna call me a kid cuz i raced on the streets...there are 40 yr old guys going it 2. i feel like i'm hated on this forum now.And just to let some of yall know i was racing cars b4 fast and the furious came out.

i have been to the track alot of times (with my car). I havent went with my bike s yet. But i'll go pretty soon. So people on here say they neva raced on the streets b4..But i know some ride fast. And 4 all who wanna call me a kid cuz i raced on the streets...there are 40 yr old guys going it 2. i feel like i'm hated on this forum now.And just to let some of yall know i was racing cars b4 fast and the furious came out. its cool man, some people on this site arent happy unless they have something to bitch about.....

i have been to the track alot of times (with my car). I havent went with my bike s yet. But i'll go pretty soon. So people on here say they neva raced on the streets b4..But i know some ride fast. And 4 all who wanna call me a kid cuz i raced on the streets...there are 40 yr old guys going it 2. i feel like i'm hated on this forum now.And just to let some of yall know i was racing cars b4 fast and the furious came out. /shrug You do stupid stuff, expect to be called stupid. But starting a thread about how cool it is to street race is going to encourage new riders to do it. Its going to make it sound cool, and make it seem like its OK to do it. I would rather they go to a track and learn correctly. Besides if you've raced cars on a track, you know how huge a gap there is in the skill level between street racers, and track racers. The fastest guy on the street is the slowest guy on the track.

who gives a flying fuck how fast you are on the track..........I've been riding for fucking 9 years and I don't give two shits about riding on a track and I guarantee I never will........TO EACH HIS OWN........ I ride fast as fuck on the streets because thats how I ride whether I am in a car or on a bike........thats how I ride....... but aside from that, I don't condone racing on the street......so I agree with everyone here that you should not race on the street as that is dangerous as fuck...racing should be done on a track...but I don't give a fuck if you've done a 9 second 1/4 mile, cause that ain't my deal.....but I will ride as fast as I want when I want........street or not...

who gives a flying fuck how fast you are on the track..........I've been riding for fucking 9 years and I don't give two shits about riding on a track and I guarantee I never will........TO EACH HIS OWN........ I ride fast as fuck on the streets because thats how I ride whether I am in a car or on a bike........thats how I ride....... but aside from that, I don't condone racing on the street......so I agree with everyone here that you should not race on the street as that is dangerous as fuck...racing should be done on a track...but I don't give a fuck if you've done a 9 second 1/4 mile, cause that ain't my deal.....but I will ride as fast as I want when I want........street or not... can i get another f bomb :laughingr

its cool man, some people on this site arent happy unless they have something to bitch about..... ha sounds like my boss

The fastest guy on the street is the slowest guy on the track. thats a pretty strong assumption! never under estimate anyone

That 1/4 mile aint shit. It only tells that you can change gears. Hit a road track and show that you can handle your bike. Fuck some straight shit, lean fool.

who gives a flying fuck how fast you are on the track..........I've been riding for fucking 9 years and I don't give two shits about riding on a track and I guarantee I never will........TO EACH HIS OWN........ I ride fast as fuck on the streets because thats how I ride whether I am in a car or on a bike........thats how I ride....... but aside from that, I don't condone racing on the street......so I agree with everyone here that you should not race on the street as that is dangerous as fuck...racing should be done on a track...but I don't give a fuck if you've done a 9 second 1/4 mile, cause that ain't my deal.....but I will ride as fast as I want when I want........street or not... Its a free country man. I appriciate the fact that you agree racing is meant for the track and not the street. Hell, I'm not telling anyone to go to a track, unless that is, they want to push thier limits on a bike. Ride as fast as you like on the street. Although I'll simply shake my head when you smack into a tree or a K rail. thats a pretty strong assumption! never under estimate anyone Thats not an assumption. Its common knowlege around tracks. And I've personally seen it on at least 3 occasions. The big bad street racer shows up with his "posse" and gets SMOKED cause he thinks he can stick in the advanced group. They either wise up and ask for assistance, or don't and storm away all puffed up making excuses. Ask anyone who's ever been to the track. I'm tellin the truth. Most street racers are only fast on the section of the road they've been down 100 times. Put em somewhere else and they can't handle it.

Thats not an assumption. Its common knowlege around tracks. And I've personally seen it on at least 3 occasions. The big bad street racer shows up with his "posse" and gets SMOKED cause he thinks he can stick in the advanced group. They either wise up and ask for assistance, or don't and storm away all puffed up making excuses. Ask anyone who's ever been to the track. I'm tellin the truth. Most street racers are only fast on the section of the road they've been down 100 times. Put em somewhere else and they can't handle it. who brings a posse to track day? lol

I've seen them and their "posse's" (pussies), and I've only done a few trackdays myself... What's worse is when they try to start off "slow" by riding in the intermediate group, thinking that they'll be the fastest guys out there and that they'll just blow past all of us slower riders... Until those of us who have worked our way up properly blast past them on the inside of whatever turn we happen to catch up to them on while someone else gets to go around on the outside. Then it's always silly excuses. Excuses that someone who has put forth the effort to learn knows are B.S. Note: the above comments relate to road courses. Drag racing is probably full of the same garbage, but it's not my bag, so I can't say for sure. Chango

I guess posse is a loose term. Some show off with all his buddies who are there to watch instead of ride. Its almost like a support group haha.

Hey Mael stupid question here. Why would u shake you head if some1 riding fast hit a tree or the rails.. So u saying it u cant crash on the track??? There are rails there too nah mean. I know on the streets u have a bigger chance of gettin hit...or hit something. But on the track shit can happen too.

Tracks are designed with run off room. In america, most of our tracks are built for car racing, so unfortunately there are sometimes places you can get hurt by running into something. THe majority of tracks though are pretty damn safe. You can totally wipe out and end up rolling through the gravel/sand trap and get out of it with a broken bone or something small. Where as on the street, the same crash would wrap your skull around a freeway guard rail or off the side of a mountain, as these are the places most people tend to go fast on the street. Tracks are meant to allow people to crash and escape un-injured. Streets are designed to keep crashing cars from flying into other lanes of traffic, by putting up barricades... ie K rails, concrete walls or steel barriers. Tracks don't have these things in the way.

Hey Mael stupid question here. Why would u shake you head if some1 riding fast hit a tree or the rails.. So u saying it u cant crash on the track??? There are rails there too nah mean. I know on the streets u have a bigger chance of gettin hit...or hit something. But on the track shit can happen too. Dude, no matter where you look in the sportbike world there is going to be someone that hates something about the way you got your bike set up, how you ride, the color of your leathers....ect. Don't worry about them and don't pay them any attention if it's not your bag. If you want tips on how to corner faster and develop finesse on the throttle, talk to a track junkie, if you want to learn how to dominate the 1/4 mile ask a dragger, if you just want to have fun with your boys on the weekends keep up the street riding. Personally I will run wide open on the streets, but not around my town (cops recognize bikes after awhile) and not on streets that have much traffic at all. Me and my buddies tend to go a good ways up in the mountains and ride balls out. Same as the canyon carvers... The only suggestion I have besides have fun and be safe is to watch out for other motorists. If you see a minivan full of fucking kids, slow down, let them see you before you pass, you'll feel like a dick when you pass someone at 165 and they react badly and run into a ditch...trust me, it happens. There is nothing wrong with just about anything unless you have a lack of self control, if you know when to slow the pack down and keep the noise down through a residential zone, then the locals aren't going to raise hell with you.

Haters will be haters, and you can't cure stupid. When you hit the pavement at 165, what are you going to run into? A minivan full of kids? When I hit the pavement at 165, I'm gonna run into a nice soft gravel trap. Think about it... cause EVERYONE goes down sooner or later.

yeah i see the street racers when my rig pulls up on scene , picking you up off the pavement and trying to save u , maybe some family or friends thier franticly screaming , but hey its ur life im only the paid firefigher that doin the job, ive raced on the streat but not to smart , id keep it on the track :arsenal

"thankx yall...I know how to ride but i aint no pro rider. I just wanted to know if ne1 had to balls to find out. Cuz i know i wont. I'm no gonna go out there and try to kill myself. The most i eva been was 86mph and i'll keep it that way 4 awhile. I only have 200miles on my bike so i have to break it in. But as i say i dont have to balls to find out the max speed ne time soon. The most i eva shift at is 10,000rpm and that scared the shit outta me. So i just keep it easy. thankx ne ways (i know i'm still new but all yall be safe out there.)" Not picking on you, cause when I first got on my bike, I said "why would I ever need to rev past 7k?" but cmon, 160mph with all the variables of the street.. thats just asking for it.

well 160 is not asking 4 it. Getting on a bike in the 1st place is asking 4 it. U can be at light and get killed just like that. Correct me if i'm wrong. After riding everyday u kinda get use to it. Once again i'm not a pro rider but i know how to ride. 4 me now 160 is just walk in the park (where there is no traffic). Every1 is different, some people have been riding 4 years and cant pass 100. Back then i was scared as shit. No its more like whateva. Dont judge me cuz yall dont know what i can do, and cannot do. I know my limits..no1 else. If something dont feel right on the bike i aint gonna do it. Like going between cars doing 100+ on the high way. I see friends do...not me. yall have a nice day now

I've seen them and their "posse's" (pussies), and I've only done a few trackdays myself... What's worse is when they try to start off "slow" by riding in the intermediate group, thinking that they'll be the fastest guys out there and that they'll just blow past all of us slower riders... Until those of us who have worked our way up properly blast past them on the inside of whatever turn we happen to catch up to them on while someone else gets to go around on the outside. Then it's always silly excuses. Excuses that someone who has put forth the effort to learn knows are B.S. Note: the above comments relate to road courses. Drag racing is probably full of the same garbage, but it's not my bag, so I can't say for sure. Chango Amen

well 160 is not asking 4 it. Getting on a bike in the 1st place is asking 4 it. U can be at light and get killed just like that. Correct me if i'm wrong. After riding everyday u kinda get use to it. Once again i'm not a pro rider but i know how to ride. 4 me now 160 is just walk in the park (where there is no traffic). Every1 is different, some people have been riding 4 years and cant pass 100. Back then i was scared as shit. No its more like whateva. Dont judge me cuz yall dont know what i can do, and cannot do. I know my limits..no1 else. If something dont feel right on the bike i aint gonna do it. Like going between cars doing 100+ on the high way. I see friends do...not me. yall have a nice day now It has nothing to do with your limits dude. I'm not saying I'm a better rider than you, or anything like that. Its just the place you choose to do it. Lets talk skill for a min. Pro riders... the best guys in the world MotoGP. Do you think they ride like that on the street? Hell no, most of em don't even ride on the street period. That should tell you something.

haven't been to a bunch of race tracks, but the two I went to had a 1/4 mile strip and a road course that had a lot of turns that there was no way you could even approach high 3 digit speeds....and most guys on the 1/4 mile track were upwards of 120's and low 130's top speed.......so if someone wants to explore the upper limits of their bike, long straightaways on the street/highway are the only place to do it.......whether anyone disagrees with it or not...

Well if u look at it that way bluedo has point. And as 4 Mael i think ur right. Most pro rider probably dont ride on the streets. And a few of them went down on the track also. I mean when me and my friends ride out some times on the highway we tend to hit it. 100+ most time but we dont do it for long. just a quick burst here and there. But i started this trend about stupid street racing(we are humans and somtimes do stupid things) and i read all of yall point of views. I want 2 thank u all who threw in ya 2cents of comment. As i alwayz say be safe out there. :)

Well I'll admit we all do stupid shit on the street. Hell, I'll even admit to one of the dumber things I've done on the street, as it has to do with Bluedo's post. San Joaquin Valley in California. Coming home from my sisters house on my YZF-600R. Its like a 500 mile drive from her place to mine, and the majority of it is through this valley. Farm land as far as the eye can see, and dead flat. Coming through traffic on the freeway, and pass the last car and there is no one in front of me all the way to the horizon. We're talkin 30 miles that I can see and no one on the road. So I figured this was a unique chance. If I ate shit I would go sliding into a carrot field or something. (PLEASE NOTE: I was wearing full leathers.) No fences, no telephone poles, no tree's, so i wrapped it up till I was bouncing off the rev limiter in top gear. Speedo said 168... prolly 150ish. Now, after saying that. I SURE AS HELL wouldn't recommend anyone else to do it, and I havn't done it again since. ALTHOUGH, I am thinking of heading up to Utah this year for SpeedWeek so I CAN romp the shit out of it and see how fast it goes hehehehe. Would make one HELL of a road trip :)

Well I'll admit we all do stupid shit on the street. Hell, I'll even admit to one of the dumber things I've done on the street, as it has to do with Bluedo's post. San Joaquin Valley in California. Coming home from my sisters house on my YZF-600R. Its like a 500 mile drive from her place to mine, and the majority of it is through this valley. Farm land as far as the eye can see, and dead flat. Coming through traffic on the freeway, and pass the last car and there is no one in front of me all the way to the horizon. We're talkin 30 miles that I can see and no one on the road. So I figured this was a unique chance. If I ate shit I would go sliding into a carrot field or something. (PLEASE NOTE: I was wearing full leathers.) No fences, no telephone poles, no tree's, so i wrapped it up till I was bouncing off the rev limiter in top gear. Speedo said 168... prolly 150ish. Now, after saying that. I SURE AS HELL wouldn't recommend anyone else to do it, and I havn't done it again since. ALTHOUGH, I am thinking of heading up to Utah this year for SpeedWeek so I CAN romp the shit out of it and see how fast it goes hehehehe. Would make one HELL of a road trip :) So Mael what kinda bike u ride now? 1 day i'll bounce of the limiter just to see where mine stops at. Not sure when no plans. But after i learn how to lunch the bike a lil betta i'm gonna find out whats the track rules. Meaning if i'll need full leather, some kinda kill switch etc..But i'm heading to the track to see what times i can lay down. So u see some of us do stupid shit on the streets too. But what about doing wheelies. I saw a guy bust his ass on the streets in front of us. We had to run and clear the road of his lights, and fairings. But he was fine, but took off the whole front of the bike.the bike didnt even have handle bars left. Is there some kinda place where peeps can go to do that. Cuz i know thats worst thats speeding or racing in the streets. Go up too far u fall, and the bike flip ova a few times aka totaled.

I don't mind people doing stupid shit. We all do it, no one is off the hook on this one. The problem I have is when people try and glorify thier stupidity. And really I don't care about that too much, but when it can affect future new riders thats when I get all uppity. People do enough stupid shit on thier own, they don't need encouragement. So I encourage people to do thier stupid shit at the track. If you like stunting, I say do it in a parking lot that you have permission to be in. If its going fast, tracks are great because they're built for this purpose. If you gotta do this on the street, you gotta, nothing I can do about it, just don't encourage others, and don't ask for pity when the inevitable happens. *EDIT* BTW, i'm on an 05 GSXR600 now btw.

well bro u made your point. I see were ur coming from and it make sence.

Aight i got a 06 gixxer 600. Its still stock as yall know parts not out 4 it as yet. Ok me and some friends went out this morning to race our bikes. My 1st race i whooped a 05 cbr 600. It was 1st gear roll 3 beeps and i didnt see him anymore next to me when we took off. I got up to 160mph in 5th (right by redline). So i'm thinking i probably can hit about 175. only 1 way to find out. And the other nght i raced my boy 06 ninja636 and beat him also. I think his bike is faster....but on that race it was the rider. tell me what yall think Sorry...but a stock 600 will not do 175mph. Its just not going to happen.

Sorry...but a stock 600 will not do 175mph. Its just not going to happen. well 1 day i'll max my bike and tell u the last # the speedo stop at. I may not going as fast as it say cuz i know about that error thing. But i'll let u know. just to let u know the 06 makes a lil more powa than the older 600's

who brings a posse to track day? lol I bring my posse to the track everytime. Her name is Pam. We are talking about the same thing right?

:plzdie: Hey Mael, Have you ever felt like no matter how hard you you hit'em they never seem to listen any better. :thumbup: And like I have said before any one can go fast on a hwy in a straight line, It takes Skill to be fast in the corners. Chango, See on you on Saturday/Sunday :D

well 1 day i'll max my bike and tell u the last # the speedo stop at. I may not going as fast as it say cuz i know about that error thing. But i'll let u know. just to let u know the 06 makes a lil more powa than the older 600's And guess what, When you do tell us what it is..........NO ONE CARES!! Thats what they a make Dyno for....

:plzdie: Hey Mael, Have you ever felt like no matter how hard you you hit'em they never seem to listen any better. :thumbup: And like I have said before any one can go fast on a hwy in a straight line, It takes Skill to be fast in the corners. Chango, See on you on Saturday/Sunday :D Hehe, ya, But if I can help convince even 1 guy to go to the track, its worth it. Cause the track has its own siren song, so my job is just to get em there. Once they go there, they're on my side hehe. Its like attack of the body snatchers or something :P

i was reading a article that the new k6 will top out at 157 or 158 mph. (correct me if im wrong). And mael i see youre from sd. iM from los angeles and i was wondering where you go the the track as far as in this area. I have benn to willow springs in my car once and i know that the allow bikes. But pretty mcuh that is all that i know about around her.

http://www.biketweakers.com/trackcalendar_2006.html Usually in So Cal you got WSIR which is Big Willow. Very fast track. Streets of Willow, which is a much smaller track and more technical, but its at the same place WSIR, the two tracks are right next to each other. Then you got ButtonWillow which is about an hour or so away from WSIR. And if you're in for the long haul, Pahrump NV has Spring Mountain Motorsports Ranch, which is my fav track. Check em out.

Take it to the track. Do you have any idea what your stopping distance is from 150 MPH? As some one who CRASHED at almost 90 MPH and not only WALKED AWAY, but still rode THAT day... You race on the street you deserve the body bag, and i will be happy to buy your spare parts off your wrecked bike. To each their own, but Motorcycle insurance is higher because of people like you.

You race on the street you deserve the body bag, and i will be happy to buy your spare parts off your wrecked bike. :wtf: kinda harsh, DONT YA THINK. anyways gixxerk1d its cool i think it safe to say we all have done stupid things, just remember that all actions have a reaction and some reactions can be deadly. to each their own p.s. have fun but be careful

People do stupid things all the time. Depending on where you live, you can find tracks that run days for anyone. There's a drag strip I went to in NC that it was 10 for the day, and as many runs as you want. Race a car. That was fun. I took off in second and beat a mustang. It's learning for everyone and a very fun environment. No worries about police and tickets and losing your new bike. It's a great bike and with gearing will do about 190. At least that's what I was clocked at in Daytona on the track!!

And guess what, When you do tell us what it is..........NO ONE CARES!! Thats what they a make Dyno for.... HEY BOSS U KNOW WHAT FUCK U..U MEAN U DONT CARE,BUT THATS COOL. AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT U OR NE1 SAY THAT ANYONE CAN GO FAST INA STR8 LINE....I GRANTEE I'LL FUCK U UP IN A DRAG RACE

HEY BOSS U KNOW WHAT FUCK U..U MEAN U DONT CARE,BUT THATS COOL. AND I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHAT U OR NE1 SAY THAT ANYONE CAN GO FAST INA STR8 LINE....I GRANTEE I'LL FUCK U UP IN A DRAG RACE Hold on... :funny: :funny: :funny: Ok, Im done..............Hey Kid, I am not concerned at all about you beating me in a dragrace, with all your street riding experience of a whole......7 months. :laughingr But you are right about one thing.......I don't care! On a side note...Can't anyone spell out full words anymore, Is this what they are teaching in schools these days......:headscrat P.S Try pressing on this button just once......

hey man I can't say don't do that stuff on the street cause I've been a touch over 100 on the highway but try to be safe. I'd hate to here from u a few months down the road saying u had an accident. but on a lighter note hell yeah. reppin the k6 gsxr 6. I got one too. what color is yours?

if you wanna race take it to the track and you'll see what racing is...

Haters will be haters, and you can't cure stupid. When you hit the pavement at 165, what are you going to run into? A minivan full of kids? When I hit the pavement at 165, I'm gonna run into a nice soft gravel trap. Think about it... cause EVERYONE goes down sooner or later. Gotta admit, your right! The difference lies solely in the concequences. The pain to yourself when you go down will be mostly the same, it's the innocent people (like a mini van full of kids) who suffer from your actions the most.....Cosider them. When I was 16 the bikes were never under 140 anywhere - so I've been there. But I still can't condone it. Stupid is as Stupid does. ...G...

A stock 600 ...will not do 175mph.