Horrific high speed crash

A rider went down in my area today. A van pulled out in front of him when he was cruising along 100+. Smashed into the side of the van so hard it flipped the van on its side. An explosion also occured upon impact. The rider and the 4 people in the van died instantly. It was a bad place to be going those rates of speed. Busy road with lots of crossing traffic. Cops said the victim and another bike were racing on the road. Keep it safe out there everyone.

For all the street racers on here. There are NO vans on a race track.

wow...R.I.P

race track for 1 day = 100 bucks street is free it sucks

it sucks and i am guilty of it my self but that is why we pay more and herassed more than the other types of bikers.

For all the street racers on here. There are NO vans on a race track.ii hate to here about that!!!!!!.... i do street race,,but im out in the country,,plenty of open roads with no traffic,,i have a 1/4 mile marked off just 1 mile from my house,,it's very safe,,i never run anyone if theres a car in sight,and i always where my riding gear.....

r.i.p

For all the street racers on here. There are NO vans on a race track. I hear that. R.I.P.

Man that hurts...

yeah that was about 15 miles from my house, i saw the pictures and read the article on wnep news. http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=5016010&nav=menu158_2 there is the ariticle for anyone who wants to read it

If the "no vans on the track" doesn't convince the street racers here. How does this shit sit with you? State police identified the five people killed as Tammie Sutter,37; her daughter, Chelsea, 11; Sutter's boyfriend, Rodney Dishong, 52 and his mother, Ida-Mae Dishong, 70. The biker was lucky he died. How would you like to live knowing you killed that many people from something as stupid as street racing? 11 YEARS OLD!!!!!!

If the "no vans on the track" doesn't convince the street racers here. How does this shit sit with you? The biker was lucky he died. How would you like to live knowing you killed that many people from something as stupid as street racing? 11 YEARS OLD!!!!!! ummm...hate to break it to ya there sparky, but that van was responsible for causing the accident...regardless of how fast the bike was going...legally of course. granted the biker shouldn't have been hauling balls on a busy side street like that, but still...the van bears the greater duty to ensure his path of travel is clear prior to making his turn/crossing. i'm a claims adjuster for geico, so i'm 100% informed about laws and rules of the road. so in reality, those people, if they lived, would have to live on knowing they killed a biker. now i know you can't tell me you haven't hauled ass on a street at some time or another. i'm 100% sure you have. so let's not be hypocrits about things and just wish those folks a happy worm digging.

A rider went down in my area today. A van pulled out in front of him when he was cruising along 100+. Smashed into the side of the van so hard it flipped the van on its side. An explosion also occured upon impact. The rider and the 4 people in the van died instantly. It was a bad place to be going those rates of speed. Busy road with lots of crossing traffic. Cops said the victim and another bike were racing on the road. Keep it safe out there everyone. What a fuckwit. :headshake

I have never been to that area so I don't know the roads there. But if the road has a small hill or anything obstructing view down the street, then the van may have pulled out with it clear and with the motorcyle going that fast, he would have no time to react to the van and possibly avoid death. There is absolutely no reason to be going that fast on a motorcycle on a public street. That is why they have race tracks. And to say to wish them a happy worm digging is cold hearted. You wouldn't say that if it had been your family killed. Have some decency and keep your crude comments to yourself. It is no wonder sports bikes have a bad rap. Because ignorant people get on the bikes and do the stupidest things such as excessively speed or even run from cops.

I do know the area, and there is a long straight stretch, there is a hill but from the hill to where the van was crossing is over 100 yards+

OK, I give you that but no need to be disrespectful to the deceased. It was an unfortunate accident, but saying stupid stuff like: just wish those folks a happy worm digging. is retarded and really shows immaturity. just my opinion.

Yea i agree with you there. Thats just being an asshole.

ummm...hate to break it to ya there sparky, but that van was responsible for causing the accident...regardless of how fast the bike was going...legally of course. granted the biker shouldn't have been hauling balls on a busy side street like that, but still...the van bears the greater duty to ensure his path of travel is clear prior to making his turn/crossing. i'm a claims adjuster for geico, so i'm 100% informed about laws and rules of the road. so in reality, those people, if they lived, would have to live on knowing they killed a biker. now i know you can't tell me you haven't hauled ass on a street at some time or another. i'm 100% sure you have. so let's not be hypocrits about things and just wish those folks a happy worm digging. I have never hauled ass in a situation like that. You simply cannot predict the actions of other motorists and pedestrians. The law states that you must be in control of your vehicle at all times. Here is an excerpt from the PA Vehicular Code. § 3361. Driving vehicle at safe speed. (http://members.aol.com/StatutesP1/75PA3361.html) The bike is solely at fault. It is too bad that he killed four innocent people with his poor judgement.

Rest In Peace street racer

If you don;t have nothing good to say about the person that died, then don;t say nothing at all!!! R.I.P. all 5 of them.

race track for 1 day = 100 bucks street is free it sucks No it does not suck. IT IS FUCKING WRONG THAT WE HAVE TO RISK OUR NECKS ON THE STREETS TO ENJOY OURSELFS BECAUSE WE DO NOT RIDE 30,000 DOLLAR BIKES AND MONEY IS NO OBJECT. :2hard

RIP

ummm...hate to break it to ya there sparky, but that van was responsible for causing the accident...regardless of how fast the bike was going...legally of course. granted the biker shouldn't have been hauling balls on a busy side street like that, but still...the van bears the greater duty to ensure his path of travel is clear prior to making his turn/crossing. i'm a claims adjuster for geico, so i'm 100% informed about laws and rules of the road. so in reality, those people, if they lived, would have to live on knowing they killed a biker. now i know you can't tell me you haven't hauled ass on a street at some time or another. i'm 100% sure you have. so let's not be hypocrits about things and just wish those folks a happy worm digging. Not being a smartass or anything. Ok yes I am. (hell I know this is going to start crap)...but where did you get your law degree again? Just for the heck of the conversation I have five years of Law Enforcement here in Florida. What that motorcyclist did was Criminal Negligence and reckless driving. In Florida if he would have lived he would be arrested for vehicular manslaughter. (Don’t know what crazy state you are in. Texas maybe?) On the rocket science side of things.. I don’t know about your motorcycle but mine will hit 130 mph pretty fast (just using 130 as an example). 1 mph = 1.4667 feet traveled per second / 130 mph = 190.671 feet per second so that is an 1/8 of a mile in 3.46 seconds. Now the average drivers reaction time (time to recognize and then hit the brakes) is 2.4 seconds. So you are telling me that the innocent people driving on a busy street, minding there own damn business are responsible for killing a biker...non sense! “just wish those folks a happy worm digging.” You’re a jerk and I am switching Insurance Companies this week.."F" Geico.. I am done with this...

Not being a smartass or anything. Ok yes I am. (hell I know this is going to start crap)...but where did you get your law degree again? Just for the heck of the conversation I have five years of Law Enforcement here in Florida. What that motorcyclist did was Criminal Negligence and reckless driving. In Florida if he would have lived he would be arrested for vehicular manslaughter. (Don’t know what crazy state you are in. Texas maybe?) On the rocket science side of things.. I don’t know about your motorcycle but mine will hit 130 mph pretty fast (just using 130 as an example). 1 mph = 1.4667 feet traveled per second / 130 mph = 190.671 feet per second so that is an 1/8 of a mile in 3.46 seconds. Now the average drivers reaction time (time to recognize and then hit the brakes) is 2.4 seconds. So you are telling me that the innocent people driving on a busy street, minding there own damn business are responsible for killing a biker...non sense! “just wish those folks a happy worm digging.” You’re a jerk and I am switching Insurance Companies this week.."F" Geico.. I am done with this... haha so what your saying is your a pig or was a pig. And if you knew the area the van should have seen the bike with no problem if he was doing 130. There is a huge long as straight where the van pulled across infront of the biker. I am not saying either is in the wrong. But if you were a pig i can see why your going against the rider of course.

Man hate reading this sucks... stay safe everyone

wow... :headshake ....horrible. Don't worry guys, I won't start preaching again. Just please be careful

haha so what your saying is your a pig or was a pig. And if you knew the area the van should have seen the bike with no problem if he was doing 130. There is a huge long as straight where the van pulled across infront of the biker. I am not saying either is in the wrong. But if you were a pig i can see why your going against the rider of course. #1. That hard for you to figure out I am a pig? Everyone hates to police until you need one. I guess if you had your way we would live in chaos and anarchy.#2. No one said he was doing 130mph; I made that clear that I was using that as an example. #3 There was gross criminal negligence and wanton and willful reckless driving on the part of the rider. The van was halfway across the road turning. The motorcycle was speeding. The motorcycle hit the van. The rider killed those four people. #4. I ride too.. but have common sense unlike you. :thefinger

First you say: I do know the area, and there is a long straight stretch, there is a hill but from the hill to where the van was crossing is over 100 yards+ Then you say :There is a huge long as straight where the van pulled across infront of the biker So which is it? Is it “100 yards+” or “a huge long as straight” Using my "EXAMPLE" of 130 mph with most bikes are capable of...pay attention here.. 100 yards is 300 feet. I bike traveling 130 mph will cover that distance in 1.5 seconds. If you can react that fast, faster then the average persons 2.4 seconds you must be Super Man. I hate it when people do not know what the hell they are talking about.

First off pig, i wish you knew the area then you would understand alot better. Because there is a straight stretch that is 100+ yards. To me that is a long straight stretch. Another thing is there is a turning lane in the center, there shouldn't have been no reason that van shouldn't have seen the bike coming down the straight stretch, or heard the bike. Yet its a 4 lane highway, and the van pulled across infront of the motorcycle. I dont care if your doing 65 mph and someone pulled across infront of you. Its gonna be hard as hell to stop. Ive been in an accident. I was doing 35 and didnt get stop. Yea it totalled my bike and messed me up. Yet the pig still said it was my fault because she pulled out from a stop sign. Funny thing is thats the speed limit around there. Thats the fucked up thing about you pigs you all think alike, so fuck off :2hard

First off pig, i wish you knew the area then you would understand alot better. Because there is a straight stretch that is 100+ yards. To me that is a long straight stretch. Another thing is there is a turning lane in the center, there shouldn't have been no reason that van shouldn't have seen the bike coming down the straight stretch, or heard the bike. Yet its a 4 lane highway, and the van pulled across infront of the motorcycle. I dont care if your doing 65 mph and someone pulled across infront of you. Its gonna be hard as hell to stop. Ive been in an accident. I was doing 35 and didnt get stop. Yea it totalled my bike and messed me up. Yet the pig still said it was my fault because she pulled out from a stop sign. Funny thing is thats the speed limit around there. Thats the fucked up thing about you pigs you all think alike, so fuck off :2hard So you think that a straight stretch that a motorcycle can cover in less then 2 seconds is a long straight. No matter if it was him, you or me the motorcycle and driver killed those four people. You go 10+ miles an hour over the speed limit and that is reckless driving. That is just a fact which should be easy for anyone to understand. Wait, one thing I have noticed about prisoners is that they are all think they are victims of society. So no I guess you cannot understand. Never mind. Watch the news and wait for the law suits to come up over this and see who wins. Natural selection is such a great thing. Have a wonderful life. Bye :laughingr

If the rider had not been going so fast, there probably wouldn't have been an explosion and some of the people involved may have lived through it. Just sad to read that someone has to do 100+ miles an hour on a bike on a public road. If someone needs to go that fast, do it on a track is all I'm saying. If someone in my family was killed because someone riding a motorcycle was going that fast, don't think I wouldn't sue for enough money that the riders great grandkids would be on welfare after making payments to me. Absolutely ridiculous to be going that fast.

jefftward, I'm with you on this one. From the description of the crash site I'd say the poor bastards in the van either didn't know what hit 'em, or if they did it was far too late to do anything about it. If the biker was doing 100mph+ chances are that where he would have been on the road at the time the van driver decided it was clear to go, he would have been out of the line of sight of the driver, whether he was on the other side of the crest, or obscured by other vehicles. Either way, the silly prick has removed himself from the gene pool in classic Darwin Award fashion. Pity he had to take out half a family with him. May the 4 in the van rest in peace, especially the 11 yr old girl, Chelsea. May the rider rest in piss- it's all he deserves.

to all street racers: keep it to an open, clear road, not when it is in a high traffic hour. Dont be a dumbass about this. I have lost 4 friends who all thought they were badass for racing in traffic. All racing belongs on a track. Keep it safe and stay alert.............

haha so what your saying is your a pig or was a pig. And if you knew the area the van should have seen the bike with no problem if he was doing 130. There is a huge long as straight where the van pulled across infront of the biker. I am not saying either is in the wrong. But if you were a pig i can see why your going against the rider of course. Apparently there was a problem with going 130 MPH on that "huge ass" straight; five people died as a result. Your arrogance far exceeds your intelligence. Most people judge distance by the size of an object. This is due to the fact that most people have poor depth perception, so the size of an object is the only means they have for judging speed and distance. What does this mean? To most people, motorcycles (small) appear to be travelling more slowly and appear farther away than than cars or trucks (large). If you are on a bike travelling at 100+ MPH, most other drivers if they see you at all will note that you are small and far away and proceed to pull out. Hey, if you think that you can drive that fast safely in a traffic situation, simply stop or drive around the car. The reality is that you cannot because you are not in control and the the physics will not let you. Here is another fact that many people do not know: if you double your speed, you quadruple your stopping distance (ideally, as brake fade makes it even worse) and or your turning g-forces. It is simple, freshman kinematics.

Apparently there was a problem with going 130 MPH on that "huge ass" straight; five people died as a result. Your arrogance far exceeds your intelligence. Most people judge distance by the size of an object. This is due to the fact that most people have poor depth perception, so the size of an object is the only means they have for judging speed and distance. What does this mean? To most people, motorcycles (small) appear to be travelling more slowly and appear farther away than than cars or trucks (large). If you are on a bike travelling at 100+ MPH, most other drivers if they see you at all will note that you are small and far away and proceed to pull out. Hey, if you think that you can drive that fast safely in a traffic situation, simply stop or drive around the car. The reality is that you cannot because you are not in control and the the physics will not let you. Here is another fact that many people do not know: if you double your speed, you quadruple your stopping distance (ideally, as brake fade makes it even worse) and or your turning g-forces. It is simple, freshman kinematics. I agree 100%.........when I go to an accident where a vehicle has pulled out in front of a rider, the driver of the car almost always tells me that he DID see the motorcycle, but thought he had plenty of time to pull out. In NORMAL circumstances he would have plenty of time.........but not when a rider is running 100+mph. I hate to see a rider go down, but I'd have to hold the rider at fault in this one.

oh and by the way............call me PIG all you want...........I don't care cause I'm the one that will have YOUR ass by the balls :laughingr

oh and by the way............call me PIG all you want...........I don't care cause I'm the one that will have YOUR ass by the balls :laughingr hahaha ok pig keep thinkin that.

hahaha ok pig keep thinkin that. just keep lookin' over your shoulder and checkin' your mirrors little man :laughingr

just keep lookin' over your shoulder and checkin' your mirrors little man :laughingr o no :funny:

hey cops can talk smack too :lol: ..........on a serious note, though......the fatal accidents I've seen involve a rider who is traveling WAY too fast and they either hit a vehicle who pulls out in front of them or they hit an object in the road. All the fatal bike accidents I've been to with the exception of one involve speed in the triple digits.

hey cops can talk smack too :lol: ..........on a serious note, though......the fatal accidents I've seen involve a rider who is traveling WAY too fast and they either hit a vehicle who pulls out in front of them or they hit an object in the road. All the fatal bike accidents I've been to with the exception of one involve speed in the triple digits. yeah i understand that, like i wasn't saying it was all the fault of the van, i was trying to say basically there both at fault. Yea i understand speed does kill. And obviously the biker was flying. He rolled the van, so right there tells you he was going fast.

Fisher4550, do everyone a favor and dont post any more your taking things way to personal based on your idiotic hatred for cops. Focus on the main point of the thread and express your condolences if not shut the hell up and read another thread.

Fisher4550, do everyone a favor and dont post any more your taking things way to personal based on your idiotic hatred for cops. Focus on the main point of the thread and express your condolences if not shut the hell up and read another thread. Ouch! :funny: ..............He doesn't hate cops.......he just thinks he does. I was the same way when I was younger. I was like "fukkin' pigs".....yaddah yaddah........Then I started doin' the job, and 7 years later I still talk shit about prick cops. I work with some. I really hate it but there really isn't much I can do. I think some cops get a badge and they forget they're human. They forget that EVERYONE makes mistakes and we're all just a bunch of crazy animals running around :lol: .........The truth is, we spend just about all of our lives chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. These great machines that we ride bring us GREAT PLEASURE!!! It's great after a shitty day to get on your bike and have a blast!! I understand it, which is why I have a big soft spot for riders. In my 7 years I've yet to write a rider for ANYTHING. Riders I've stopped have been the nicest people I've run across. Just people trying to find some pleasure in this crazy world we live in. OMFG I'm rambling............I've had a beer or 2.......or 6.........anyways.......ride safe!!

This is classic :clap: He's sends me this in a PM Hey if you dont like what i have to say dont read it then :2hard Your such a fag... If you didnt like what Vince said, from a Police officers standpoint at that,....well you should have followed your own advice then and not read it. Wait that sounds like what i said to...go read another thread. I love idiots.

Ouch! :funny: ..............He doesn't hate cops.......he just thinks he does. I was the same way when I was younger. I was like "fukkin' pigs".....yaddah yaddah........Then I started doin' the job, and 7 years later I still talk shit about prick cops. I work with some. I really hate it but there really isn't much I can do. I think some cops get a badge and they forget they're human. They forget that EVERYONE makes mistakes and we're all just a bunch of crazy animals running around :lol: .........The truth is, we spend just about all of our lives chasing pleasure and avoiding pain. These great machines that we ride bring us GREAT PLEASURE!!! It's great after a shitty day to get on your bike and have a blast!! I understand it, which is why I have a big soft spot for riders. In my 7 years I've yet to write a rider for ANYTHING. Riders I've stopped have been the nicest people I've run across. Just people trying to find some pleasure in this crazy world we live in. OMFG I'm rambling............I've had a beer or 2.......or 6.........anyways.......ride safe!! hahha :funny:

This is classic :clap: He's sends me this in a PM Your such a fag... If you didnt like what Vince said, from a Police officers standpoint at that,....well you should have followed your own advice then and not read it. Wait that sounds like what i said to...go read another thread. I love idiots. Your the fucking idiot because i never said i didnt like what Vince said. We were talkin about it abviously. Apprently Vince has a sense of humor. Then you but in and say i shouldn't talk on this forum. So i figured i would pm you and tell you nicely. But i guess that doesn't work for you, you still wanna be a fucking dick. :2hard

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Your the fucking idiot because i never said i didnt like what Vince said. We were talkin about it abviously. Apprently Vince has a sense of humor. Then you but in and say i shouldn't talk on this forum. So i figured i would pm you and tell you nicely. But i guess that doesn't work for you, you still wanna be a fucking dick. :2hard You never have to directly say you didn't like what he said. Its quite apparent in all of your posts from page 2,3,4...etc Just about everyone one of your posts involve a "ok pig" or the ":2hard " and other smart ass comments. So yea its all "just conversation" then isnt it..... :headshake It shows you have a problem with cops. No one else is out here getting so worked up about what was said. hell others even agreed with the officers that posted INSTEAD of what you wrote. And yes i say you shouldn't talk in this thread because it seems your just using it as a channel to argue with a cop and "prove" your knowledge of traffic laws and how drivers and bikes should react on some stretch of 100yard road or some shit. Really only should be expressing sorrow for the everyone that died not some other personal agenda. And by the way, if you call a smart ass sentence followed by the ever so cute middle finger icon a "nice" Pm than your an idiot. I dont know anyone that would call that nice..so yea i'll "continue being a dick". Jackass

keep it safe fellas no street racing pay to play and u'll live another day

Couple things: I'm new here, so "hello." Found this post on another site I visit. Been thinking of getting a sportbike, but that's beside the point. FWIW, from an "old guy" who's been riding a long time - it sucks to read about these things and I cannot imagine being one of the 1st responders. What a total waste of life. On first reading this, I quickly did the same math one of the LEOs outlined. At 130, the bike covered 100 yards in less than 2 seconds. The driver of the van may have looked and seen the bike - and estimated the speed at what it SHOULD HAVE been -- far less than what it was. Sounds like the rider didn't even have time to react. He was going way too fast for the potential risks and his own ability. Period. The performance of these bikes is certainly beyond the maturity level I had at a younger age and I can only urge you all to keep it safe.

You go 10+ miles an hour over the speed limit and that is reckless driving First let me say that I'm not trying to pick a fight.... I just though I would mention that I believe "reckless driving" or reckless opperation requires you to be doing at least double the speed limit. It also usually results in at least 1 night in jail and possible license suspension if I'm not mistaken.

I'm gunna throw a different slant on this and see if it makes sense to those here with an IQ higher than their shoe size. I'm involved in rallying, you know the motorsport where you drive a car through the forest logging roads and fire trails as quick as your senses allow. Anyway, when you're out looking for new roads & track to use, these roads are open to the public, although not necessarily travelled all too often. What traffic there is on them is usually local farmers who know the road like the back of their hand and can drive it blindfolded. They usually stick to the middle of the road in case any wildlife like kangaroos & emus decide to jump out in front of them. So as a general rule of thumb, I'll only go as fast as what will allow me to stop in half the distance I can see. So if I can only see about 50 yards, I'll drive slow enough to be able to stop in around 25 yards. Hopefully anyone else coming the other way has the same theory. If not (and they usually don't!), at least I'll be going slow enough to have the situation in reasonable control and have a very good chance of avoiding a collision, even if the other vehicle is moving too quick to come to a complete stop. Most accidents are generally caused by people not allowing enough stopping distance between themselves and the vehicle in front. In a car the general rule is a 3 second gap. Bikes take longer to stop than cars, so you should allow more.

Fisher you're a moron. 3 people have explained this to you in such a way as to PROVE that the van was NOT at fault. However you don't seem to have the mental capacity to understand it, or your blinding hate for cops is just making you act like an ass. So we'll keep it simple. You are driving and ready to turn left. You look up the road and see a vehicle (car, bike whatever) that is PLENTY far away for you to make your turn, so you go ahead and make the turn. OH LOOK, the vehicle was going WAY beyond the "normal" or "expected" rate of speed and plowed right into you because they closed the distance too quickly and were unable to react. NOW, you are dead along with 3 friends, and your kid. Because you were following traffic laws and traveling a safe speed, but the person who hit you like a missle was not. THAT IS THE BIKERS FAULT!! EVERYONE ELSE IS RIGHT, AND YOU ARE WRONG!!!! End of subject.

What it comes down to is we all need to keep it on the track. Plain and simple he was speeding and took the life of himself and the passingers in the van. RIP

...rip

That blows .....everything that I can say has been already .........rip :headshake