TRE questions and answers!!!

Check these threads out and see if they answer your question. ;) timing retard eliminator http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=1514 Do the TRE's work on 600's! http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=1649 Does anyone know where I can get a TRE? http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=1602 TRE and PCIIIusb http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=1701 TRE is an acronym for Timing retard Eliminator. Stock a GSXR retards the timing in gears 1-4 at certain throttle openings to limit torque, among other things. The TRE eliminates this retardation and by installing a resister where the gear indicator used to be, fools the ECM into thinking the bike is 5th gear. The neutral indicator is still connected as it uses a different wire. No it wont kill the whole warranty on your bike. In order for a company to deny warranty service THEY have to PROVE that the aftermarket part was installed in such a way as to DIRRECTLY cause the failure that is being warranted. example, if your rim breaks, there is NO WAY the TRE did this, so it is still under warranty. I have never heard of a TRE causing damage to any bikes. The TRE for600 and 750 is 15K ohms. TRE for 1000 is 6.8 K OHMs All other TRE related questions will be answered here if you post one. Thanks Joe

good post moto, this one comes up every other week :thumbup:

good post moto, this one comes up every other week :thumbup: It is now sticky too....... we can add to it as we see fit though. :cool:

That is why I made him a moderator. He is taking care of business. :thumbup:

That is why I made him a moderator. He is taking care of business. :thumbup: Definatly, he got on the ball before I did. good job moto

I really like the sticky's and I have a suggestion, under the tech there is "tech and performance chat". Could we put another one under there that is poplular modifications, or something like that, and put the sticky's there. Just and idea but it would be pretty cool to have the TRE, PCI, and maybe even and exhaust type threads. Just an idea, the sticky's is cool though if not.

I have talked to Zgixxer, and I think he is deciding what is the best way to do that.

those ideas sound pretty good to...better make and exaust one before i start one (i was just about to) lol

Hey guys I have a quick question about the tre on my bike. I know that its suppose to alter your idle speed. I have my 04 1k idle set at 1250, but when I have the clutch pulled in it jumps to 1500. So my question is should the bike idle at 1250 with clutch pulled in or leave it the way it is? The idle just seems too fast the way it is. Thanks

hey guys, sorry i didn't see this thread...im a newbie and started a few new thread asking basic stuff about a TRE...don't mind my dumb questions on the other threads

i have 2 questions 1. will a tre affect the stock gear indacator on a 05 gsxr 1000? 2. what is the differance in a $20.00 tre and a $100.00 tre? thanks for the help in advance

about $80 too much

What about ATRE? As well as What about this one?: http://home.satx.rr.com/eks/eks_concepts.htm

i called ivans performance products and learned if you put there "smart" TRE (the only one that will work on an 05 1000? what she said) the stock gear indacator will read 0 in nutreal and 5 in all other gears

Does anyone know if the Checkered Flag Motorsports TRE's on ebay for 25 bucks are just as good as Ivan's TRE's that cost like 55 bucks?

where can i get the factory plugs to make my tre, and what size resistors do you use?

your dealer would have the plugs and im assuming you got a 600 from your sn, You would use a 15000. That you can get from radio shack.

where can i get the factory plugs to make my tre, and what size resistors do you use? When you say make your own, you mean "make" your own. if you can get this working could you post a how to. thanks

When you say make your own, you mean "make" your own. if you can get this working could you post a how to. thanks look on page one of this thread, the very first post. click on the link how to make own tre and there you go, it explains everything.

great info! :funny:

can we get a list of different tres, what all they do and the price. i think would help from everyone asking what each one does, hopefully someone on here knows about a good variety of these things, i want one but i dont know what i want and what each one does, nowhere to start. lets get this thing rollin.

how much does a tre really work also what about a pc3

a TRE is a TRE is a TRE. Just get the one for your year and size bike. The PC3 is good if you have aftermarket stuff and need to map the bike then yea.

A couple of questions; 1. On the 05 1000, am I understanding that a tre will make the gear indicator inaccurate and read 5th gear all of the time except for neutral? Is so, is there anyway to have a tre and also keep the gear indicator functioning normally? 2. Is a tre compatible with a power commander, or does a power commander have a tre built into it?

[QUOTE=gsxr_rx-1]A couple of questions; 1. On the 05 1000, am I understanding that a tre will make the gear indicator inaccurate and read 5th gear all of the time except for neutral? Is so, is there anyway to have a tre and also keep the gear indicator functioning normally? QUOTE] Bump on this part of the question. did a search but did no see the intel i was looking for.

Do i need to use the 1/4 or the 1/2 watt resistor for the tre?

I have a 2000 GSXR 750 and do not understnat the difference betweent he 15k ohm and 6.8k ohm resistor. I am interested in buying the JSD but no where on these website does it specify which one to use for which model. Im asuming it does matter which one i buy ad i dont want to buy the wrong one. Thanks

im new with all this, so if you can help that well be good. i have a 03 750, i put on a full yoshimura TRS, yosh EMS and a K&N air filter. then i got it dynoed. with this TRE if i do get it, well it mass up my dyno i did for my bike or do i have to dyno it agen and put a new map on it?

no need to remap bike.

thanks for the info :D

Just ordered the switched one from gixxer.com, I'll let u know how it is when I get it

what the diff. from the $30 TRE one ebay, from the $70 Ivans TRE. what the diff from this two? $110 Ivans TRE (TL 1000S-97 lnly) and the new smart Ivans TRE? :hmmm:

just stuck a "£17.99 tre from chequered flag onto me k5 750 and got to tell yer its made the bike sooo much smoother you can actually ride it without all that snatchy throttle response you get from the injection. well worth fitting one and the tickover is ok aswell. thought i`d let yer know :twofinger

ok this is me being lazy and not digging for it...but is it worth it on a 05 600

I have worked on cars that use parameters that change with vehicle/engine speed. How come these computers can't be hacked into? If the dealership is able to re-map the stock computer, then they should be able to tune around the TRE. Why isn't this ever done?

i called ivans performance products and learned if you put there "smart" TRE (the only one that will work on an 05 1000? what she said) the stock gear indacator will read 0 in nutreal and 5 in all other gears Is this true? has anyone used the JSD-2 on the K5/6? I have a JSD-2 but took it out because the bike would not idle and when given throttle it would die. This was the case:Bike in neutral, sidestand up, PC3 USB with Kyle's Sato Full system map and a Sato full exhaust system. Any Ideas?

Is this true? has anyone used the JSD-2 on the K5/6? I have a JSD-2 but took it out because the bike would not idle and when given throttle it would die. This was the case:Bike in neutral, sidestand up, PC3 USB with Kyle's Sato Full system map and a Sato full exhaust system. Any Ideas? That is strange.... I tested on a k5 here at the dealership in Olathe. The problem that most see is the neutral map is not saved with a JSD-1 or JSD-2..... however with a JSD-3 it is and you will notice the idle problem, and starting issues are not longer there. A JSD-3 will also perform just like Ivans smart unit, just not the crazy $110 price. And for those that want wiring diags....... http://jsdproducts.com/tre_hw.gif http://jsdproducts.com/tre_sw.gif http://jsdproducts.com/GPS_3.jpg

Does this work on 98 600? didnt know if it was for FI bikes only or not

I put an Ivan's TRE on my 1000 and ofcourse like you said it messes the gear indicator up due to the ECU. but I ran mine in the quarter and didn't increase time... it didn't change much at all on the dyno just a little jumpier nothing major and then I took it off and put a PC USB3 on and did a little bit of tunning and got a few more horeses on the dyno and it the PC also helped me increase my top speed I actually got to wind out 5th and hit 6 for a change...

I put an Ivan's TRE on my 1000 and ofcourse like you said it messes the gear indicator up due to the ECU. but I ran mine in the quarter and didn't increase time... it didn't change much at all on the dyno just a little jumpier nothing major and then I took it off and put a PC USB3 on and did a little bit of tunning and got a few more horeses on the dyno and it the PC also helped me increase my top speed I actually got to wind out 5th and hit 6 for a change...Yeah it doesnt really make a big change if anything it just suppose to help make retard the timing in gears 1-3, the throttle response is suppose to be smoother, but I dont think their worth it you wont notice anything really. I took mine off and sold it and didnt notice a bit of difference with or without it. Getting your bike tuned would be the best way to go to get the most out of your bike.

http://jsdproducts.com/GPS_3.jpg So what if you replaced the 1-4 resistors with the same resistor as 5th?

WOW i put a checkered flag tre on my bike today, i am impressed with it i got on it in first and i can feel my front tire floating holy mackel andy, and checkered flag is the shit, i got my first one and one connector fell off!! i called them and they sent me a new one i got it two days later and they gave me a pre paid envelope to mail the P.O.S. one back to them. they seem like good people. I am very satisfied with my purchase. i kinda wish i built one though. p.s. the whole front end thing was cool because i nailed the throttle at 3k or so and def felt a difference, i can get the front end to do that but rpms had to be over 6 or so.

Just put the JSD-3A on the bike (05 750). Not a huge difference, but definately smoother and a little more low end acceleration.

this is how to make your own tre, if your into doin things yourself. :thumbup: http://www.81x.com/Authors/bugman/gixxermods_7.aspx

how do you install a tre on an 04 gsxr 600........i have the male and female connectors on it already......i just dont know which plugs to plug it into!!!!!!! HELP!!!!!

unscrew the gas tank. prop open and look for the two wires that it can fit on. there are only two wires that it can connect to... it's the lower one.

which wires on a k6 600 do i tap into for the TRE? Same as previous years?

what is the 5th gear resistance on the '06 1000 ? it was 6800 for all other years, but i sold a TRE to someone who said their display registered 6th gear with the TRE in.

heres a pic for people who dont know where it goes. Left hand side just next to the frame as in the pic. You will see all the coloured wires and the two plugs. Blue,pink & green on the left and the right is pink, black & blue i think it looks like and bwon and black. But see what the instruction say. But thats where you stick ya bloody TRE. So no more bitchin from ya all now OK. lol

I just put a $30 TRE from Ebay on my 05 GSXR 600 and it was plug and play. 5 mins to unbolt the front of the gas tank and the seat. I thought at 1st it b/c I still had a hell of a lope at idle (have a yosh pipe). However 1st-6th gear is as smooth as ever in acceleration. If you don't have one..buy one if you have exhaust.

great info, add all correct, even better:thumbup:

with the smart TRE does it read 5th gear all the time on the shirft indicator?

Does anyone have experience with using a Nikko G TRE with BPD Quick Shifter? The best I can determine is they are not compatible.

If the Tre fools the ECM into thinking it's in 5th so that it supplies the 5th ignition map does it also supply the 5th gear fuel map so it's always fueling for 5th ? and would a PClll also think it's in 5th so also only fuel for 5th. Dumb question maybe but you don't know if you don't ask.

im having problems finding a 15k resistior i have been to two different radio shacks and neither of them have 15k resistors the guy gave me a 10 and 4.7to put togeter but thats still not enough could i maybe use a 22k?

I'm seriously looking into one of these, as it is supposed to fix the 1-3 gear jerking when you throttle down. I read that some people have issues cold starting their bike afterwards, which is why they make a switched one and an automatic one, I have a gsxr600, can anyone confirm this?

If the Tre fools the ECM into thinking it's in 5th so that it supplies the 5th ignition map does it also supply the 5th gear fuel map so it's always fueling for 5th ? and would a PClll also think it's in 5th so also only fuel for 5th. Dumb question maybe but you don't know if you don't ask. No - that's a great question. Assuming the fuel map is different for each gear, then yes, but I always thought the fuel map was the same in every gear. I can't seem to get a definitive answer on this - it may depend on the year. Note though that TRE's for the 1K simulate fifth for the purpose of overriding the speed limiter, those intended for 600's and 750's, which do not have speed limiters, simulate 6th. im having problems finding a 15k resistior i have been to two different radio shacks and neither of them have 15k resistors the guy gave me a 10 and 4.7to put togeter but thats still not enough could i maybe use a 22k? Probably not. You need to be pretty close to the correct resistance to give the correct gear indication. If you're way off it will probably indicate a fault. You could try it I guess, but unless you have a bike with a gear indicator, it's going to be difficult to tell if you're triggering the correct gear. I'm seriously looking into one of these, as it is supposed to fix the 1-3 gear jerking when you throttle down. I read that some people have issues cold starting their bike afterwards, which is why they make a switched one and an automatic one, I have a gsxr600, can anyone confirm this? I (05 750) run an automatic one personally, so it's not an issue for me but I have a couple friends that run non-switched TRE's. One (03 600) seems to notice a difference in cold starts, and the other (04 1000) doesn't. That said, newer (06 and later) bikes don't seem to benefit as much from TRE's than older bikes do. That seems to be the consensus of the people I know with those bikes.

I mainly want to get it because of the 1-3 gear issues. It seems like when I throttle down, it's more of an on/off feeling. I'm not quite sure how to describe it, but instead of slowing down, it's like it shuts off for a few seconds. Do you think it will solve that problem?

It would help if you posted the year and model of your bike. If it's an 05 an older, definitely yes. If it's newer, maybe, maybe not, but you have other issues going on if it just started doing that.

It would help if you posted the year and model of your bike. If it's an 05 an older, definitely yes. If it's newer, maybe, maybe not, but you have other issues going on if it just started doing that. Sorry about that, k6 600. I bought it used with about 2k miles on it, ever since I've had it it's been having the throttle down issue. Mainly I'm worried about it having starting issues.

good stufff

I am going to jack your thread for a bit. Has anyone tried the Heal Tech X-TRE? It claims to keep your factory gear indicator. Does that mean you only have neurtral or does it show the gear you are in?

Okay I am an idiot and posted this in the tech. But are these things worth it to add some juice? And I see some guys using the JSD, are there other companies that are worth looking at? And since there is only a $20 difference in the price from JSD's low to high which one is the better buy?

Okay I am an idiot and posted this in the tech. But are these things worth it to add some juice? And I see some guys using the JSD, are there other companies that are worth looking at? And since there is only a $20 difference in the price from JSD's low to high which one is the better buy? Got most of these questions answered in another thread so I am stoked to get out and do some work on the bike before I get it out.

they work just put one on the 06 with a K&N up here in Denver does the trick :shifty

Hey, can somebody answer this question kind of on the simple side..... on an 04 gsxr with a yoshi rs3 bolt on, with a power PCIII USB, how will a TRE affect it? at all? good? bad? i've looked around but can't find a straight answer to that. thanks guys.

It should not affect any of that. It works with all aftermarket mods unless you have your ecm has a custom tune. The tre hooks into the ecm is why and if you have a custom tune then most likely they have advanced your timing to the best hp.

that's why i was wondering....doesn't the PC also advance the timing with the mapping?

hey, has anybody put in a switchable TRE? i just hooked mine up on an 04 600 (JSD) and i'm not sure where to put the switch. just wondered if somebody has a good spot for the switch. thanks.

hey, has anybody put in a switchable TRE? i just hooked mine up on an 04 600 (JSD) and i'm not sure where to put the switch. just wondered if somebody has a good spot for the switch. thanks. most of the ones i have seen are mounted near the left clip on...

just zip tied to something? or actually mounted?

The PC3 controls how much fuel to feed. Power Commander makes the ignition modual which is what you are doing, two seperate things! I have made one and mounted it under the seat(wherever it is best for you to reach) by the rear passenger peg. Did you have any problems with making it or hooking it up?

no, i actually just bought the one from JSD that is switchable. not sure why, i guess just so that i can check out to see the difference or if a buddy wants to see how it rides with it on or off or whatever. maybe i might like it stock sometimes. who knows. but the switch wires aren't very long. i was kind of hoping to be able to run it to the tail under the pass. seat. so i might just lengthen the wires to the switch. somewhere where i'll be able to get to it. i just wondered what others had done or where they put it, if it was somewhere kind of accessible.

When I had made my switch, I left about a foot of wire off my switch. You can always cut and soldier new wire in there, just make sure you do not get the wires switched around!

yeah, that's probably what i'll end up doing is extending the wires...i was just wondering if anybody had found a good place to put it where you didn't have to take off the seat or anything to get to it. thanks. though man.

well if anybody else does read this and is looking for a good spot, i found one on the left side, you can zip tie the switch wire to another cable going to the front of the bike just past the frame slider. the switch can be reached under the cowl, out of sight but able to be switched off needed or wanted. thanks though guys.

I bought one from A & R Motorsports in TX. I was curious how I can make it run on a switch. Does anyone have a write up or a answer to this question?

O.K., Here's the deal. I just installed a Healtech TRE today. I bought the one that has the gear indicator bypass, It's supposed to keep the correct fuctionality of the gear indicator. After installing it, the indicatr just has a dash. It no longer hunctions at all. I'm going to go back and check all the connections. but has anyone ever come across this problem before? It would be nice to hear from someone who knows the exact problem.

It was just a bad connection between the ECU and the TRE. It's all good now. Works like a charm. I can tell a slight difference in responsiveness, but there's a huge difference in how smooth my bike runs!

i just brought the Z Bomb by bazzaz. i talked to a guy name Dell for about an hr. questioning the poduct. hes also the one who did all the dino did testing for the Z bomb tre. no tunning the z bomb give honda about 12hp consistant threwout the power band in each gear and the gsxr a consistant 5hp. REAL hp!!! All gear work up to 5th dosnt change idle, plug and play no wire splicing! For 85$ HoT! i love it mine will be here tomorrow fo!