South Florida Cracks Down

Holy crap!! Posted Nov 28th 2007 11:04AM by Chris Shunk Filed under: Government/Legal, Safety (http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=4&tID=146048#), Motorcycles South Florida has a motorcycle (http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=4&tID=146048#) problem, and lawmakers are introducing legislation to show bikers that they'll go a long way to punish those who break the rules. Stunt riding (including wheelies), excessive speeding, and concealable license plates will get you a 10 year ban on your motorcycle license, mandatory jail time, and an impounded bike. If the punishment sounds like the medieval practice of cutting off the hand of a man for stealing, that's exactly how State Representative Carlos Lopez-Cantera wants it. Lopez-Cantera witnessed firsthand a variety of incidents during which reckless behavior was on display, including bikers flying down the highway at 120 mph, high speed wheelies, and more. Police officers can't even run plates since bikers will often flip them up to avoid detection, and it's very difficult to catch a motorcycle on the open road with a squad car (http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=4&tID=146048#). We like motorcycles, even though our focus is on cars, and it's disappointing to see that things have apparently gotten so out of hand in South Florida that draconian enforcement policies are being seriously discussed. [Source: Visor Down via Paultan] http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/ten_year_ban_for_pulling_a_wheelie/1969.html Anyone think it will hold true? I might be moving to Ft. Lauderdale in 2 years.....

and thats why ya'll should move TO ATL..but weather aint good as FL though lol

i dont know why they care so much about "120" mph , i can be going 160 and somehow theres a fucking guy still speeding faster than me , i can be going 90 and cars still fly by me. i dunno i never been stopped or anythign and i hope i dont but i usually dont speed that much. BUT IT HAS gotte nout of hand

It should be to long before they start cracking down in Orlando...we have had 3 deaths in just 2 days and probably close to 5-7 in a matter of weeks. Some people should not be allowed to ride imo. Hell there was a crash Monday morning...2 morons racing threw a school zone 1 got killed and the other ditched his bike and came back to see if he was allright, both were liter bikes, 1 had his license but no insurance and the other didn't have either. Fawkn idiots like this bring way to much attention to us:headshake

Yikes! I'm glad I don't live in FL. This is why I don't do anything to attract attention to myself, and I think most people are like this also. However you are always going to have someone do these things and make us all look bad in the eyes of most people just because we ride sportbikes.

and thats why ya'll should move TO ATL..but weather aint good as FL though lol Or maybe move to San Antonio weather is almost always great. Believe it or not its sunny and 67 degrees right now. aww nice riding weather.:laughingr Oh yeah that does sound kinda harsh, man Im sure there are WAY more important things to worry about. But they care about your safety and the safety of others because if you die,you dont pay them taxes anymore!!! Thats the real reason.

because if you die,you dont pay them taxes anymore!!! Thats the real reason. w0rd

Or maybe move to San Antonio weather is almost always great. Believe it or not its sunny and 67 degrees right now. aww nice riding weather.:laughingr Oh yeah that does sound kinda harsh, man Im sure there are WAY more important things to worry about. But they care about your safety and the safety of others because if you die,you dont pay them taxes anymore!!! Thats the real reason. depending on where you are in san antonio, the traffic can be very challenging though, but nice weather though, but when it rains, make sure you can put your bike on your roof top, because they have some torrential rains there also of flood proportions. :headscrat

It'll be interesting to see if this proposed legislation happens; it's clearly a violation of the Equal Protections Clause of the 14th Amendment.

Holy crap!! Posted Nov 28th 2007 11:04AM by Chris Shunk Filed under: Government/Legal, Safety (http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=4&tID=146048#), Motorcycles South Florida has a motorcycle (http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=4&tID=146048#) problem, and lawmakers are introducing legislation to show bikers that they'll go a long way to punish those who break the rules. Stunt riding (including wheelies), excessive speeding, and concealable license plates will get you a 10 year ban on your motorcycle license, mandatory jail time, and an impounded bike. If the punishment sounds like the medieval practice of cutting off the hand of a man for stealing, that's exactly how State Representative Carlos Lopez-Cantera wants it. Lopez-Cantera witnessed firsthand a variety of incidents during which reckless behavior was on display, including bikers flying down the highway at 120 mph, high speed wheelies, and more. Police officers can't even run plates since bikers will often flip them up to avoid detection, and it's very difficult to catch a motorcycle on the open road with a squad car (http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=1&fID=4&tID=146048#). We like motorcycles, even though our focus is on cars, and it's disappointing to see that things have apparently gotten so out of hand in South Florida that draconian enforcement policies are being seriously discussed. [Source: Visor Down via Paultan] http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/ten_year_ban_for_pulling_a_wheelie/1969.html Anyone think it will hold true? I might be moving to Ft. Lauderdale in 2 years..... I live in s fla, I dont agree w/ this. But i remember when i moved to fla in 1988 and it was nothing like this. IMO over the yrs many ppl and films have promoted this type on riding. (stunting, wheeling)So ppl think it is cool to do this no matter where you are. IF you think iam wrong then why do ya put crash bars on your bikes to ride in the streets. Stunt bikes should be for shows not the streets. All this just makes ppl want to do this even more. And as ppl you always want to show off and show your talent. Also in S fla cops never get a break from this type of stuff. But if you lived in NY the bike is put away for the winter and the steets are quite for many months. That never happens here in fla. You ride all yr long.

I don't see what the big deal is. I would rather see the people that keep costing me more money in insurance be removed from the road. You want to do 120mph take it to the track, you want to stunt take it to a secluded location and the only reason to conceal a license plate is to brake the law. Now I am not saying that I don't go for a spirited rides every now and then and get a little above the speed limit but the actions they are targeting are the exact same ones that give sport bike riders a bad name. Putting Flame suit on!

I don't see what the big deal is. I would rather see the people that keep costing me more money in insurance be removed from the road. You want to do 120mph take it to the track, you want to stunt take it to a secluded location and the only reason to conceal a license plate is to brake the law. Now I am not saying that I don't go for a spirited rides every now and then and get a little above the speed limit but the actions they are targeting are the exact same ones that give sport bike riders a bad name. Putting Flame suit on! Your right......CAN YOU SAY SUPER BIKE SHOW. Ya he doesnt do it in the street, But ...I always thought the the show should be called stunters.

Fuck Florida..... I bought a bike cause I enjoy going fast, if I didnt, I would have bought some gas saver shit car, or a cruiser.... Montana ftw.

I don't see what the big deal is. I would rather see the people that keep costing me more money in insurance be removed from the road. You want to do 120mph take it to the track, you want to stunt take it to a secluded location and the only reason to conceal a license plate is to brake the law. Now I am not saying that I don't go for a spirited rides every now and then and get a little above the speed limit but the actions they are targeting are the exact same ones that give sport bike riders a bad name. Putting Flame suit on! Heres my problem with this...yes they are tracks to race but there is no legal place to stunt. Even the secluded places the cops have been cracking down on, so what does everyone do, they hit the streets and the highways. Yes, there are a few stunters that get permission to stunt at certain places but what about the 95% of the guys/girls out there that want to stunt as well.

Heres my problem with this...yes they are tracks to race but there is no legal place to stunt. Even the secluded places the cops have been cracking down on, so what does everyone do, they hit the streets and the highways. Yes, there are a few stunters that get permission to stunt at certain places but what about the 95% of the guys/girls out there that want to stunt as well. To me that sounds like an excuse and there is no excuse to ever take it to the streets and endager peoples lives. There are tons of ways around it or just DONT DO IT!!! Al the people I know who are really into stunt do so with permission on private property. If there is a will there is a way. It is the wannabies that won't put in the effort to find a good legal place to go. I would normally say that it would be a business opportunity but Stunters in General are not willing to spend much money.

These are the guys that make us all look bad. Im 51 and i lov having the chance to ridde a bike thats going to be over my head. ppl look very strangly at me when i pull the helmet off. The politicians are pissed and everyone is yelling at them to do something. the ama will jump in cause its a individuals rights issue imho

funny thing, yesterday at bike night, a fellow friend/rider (who is a metro dade officer), and our group, were discussing this very topic.. He doesn't think that the law will pass.. but you never know, as politicians are fuggin' idiots.. anyway, he said that all this law will cause, is for more riders to (try to) flee, when they normally would have pulled over and taken the citations.. needless to say, this will lead to more accidents, not to mention deaths.. just gotta wait and see how this pans out..

funny thing, yesterday at bike night, a fellow friend/rider (who is a metro dade officer), and our group, were discussing this very topic.. He doesn't think that the law will pass.. but you never know, as politicians are fuggin' idiots.. anyway, he said that all this law will cause, is for more riders to (try to) flee, when they normally would have pulled over and taken the citations.. needless to say, this will lead to more accidents, not to mention deaths.. just gotta wait and see how this pans out.. Exactly, hell if you are going to get arrested for going 30+ over you might as well run from the cops, either way you are going to jail. I wouldn't run but that is the mentality people will have if this new law gets past. Last night there were suppose to have a big crackdown on bikers last night in the Central Florida area because of the many deaths here recently, they were calling it "Operation 2wheels" or some B.S. but it rained and nobody went riding.

don't forget, they're trying to "take" the bikes (not impound, but rather confiscate) for certain infractions...

Yup its b.s. I wonder if these laws will also apply to Harleys/Cruisers:hmmm:

Damn that sucks big time for ya'll,but yeah you made a good point if it does pass hell you might as well run and hopefully not get caught. :hmmm:

all i got to say is riders use to stunt in warehouses, now the police tell them they cant. Then they bitch when they take it to the streets............:headscrat

but what about the 95% of the guys/girls out there that want to stunt as well. They can ask around and find a spot just like the other 5% did. I'd say those 5% are the true enthusiasts. They find a place to pursue their hobby without being bothered or being a danger to the public. The other 95% that claim they have no place to go without even asking are just attention whores who want the public to see them because they love the attention, not the sport. I have no sympathy for them when they get injured/killed/arrested for doing dumb shit on the streets that my wife and daughter travel on and I hope their bike is taken away.

all i got to say is riders use to stunt in warehouses, now the police tell them they cant. Then they bitch when they take it to the streets............:headscrat Do they have permission from the warehouse owners to be there? If not they're trespassing and the police are doing their job.

Do they have permission from the warehouse owners to be there? If not they're trespassing and the police are doing their job. correction......warehouse areas....i e the empty roads.....

damn man and i am about to move down there too. that royally sucks. now i can't no fun down there either.:2up

correction......warehouse areas....i e the empty roads..... Exactly...my view is this, if you are in a secluded area...where there is no traffic, only you and your bike, your not hurting anyone but yourself, then the cops need to leave you alone. If you go down the only person that gets hurt is you. Hopefully you are smart enough to have someone there to call for help otherwise your a damn fool. My 2cents.

Exactly...my view is this, if you are in a secluded area...where there is no traffic, only you and your bike, your not hurting anyone but yourself, then the cops need to leave you alone. If you go down the only person that gets hurt is you. Hopefully you are smart enough to have someone there to call for help otherwise your a damn fool. My 2cents. The problem with this is that you are on private property when you are at these wharehouse. So you go there without permission and you stunt and only endanger yourself. Then you crash and get seriously hurt or die and the company is all over the news and you family get sue happy. The cops are doing their job by kicking you out of there because you are breaking the law. Approach the property owner with a good sales pitch and a liability waiver release form and you should be able to find some place. Thats what some folks I know did and there are a few cops that frequent the place also to watch. Then its just up to you to keep it in control.

The problem with this is that you are on private property when you are at these wharehouse. So you go there without permission and you stunt and only endanger yourself. Then you crash and get seriously hurt or die and the company is all over the news and you family get sue happy. The cops are doing their job by kicking you out of there because you are breaking the law. Approach the property owner with a good sales pitch and a liability waiver release form and you should be able to find some place. Thats what some folks I know did and there are a few cops that frequent the place also to watch. Then its just up to you to keep it in control.The stunt guys we ride with, have a place to stunt at, and they have permission by the owners to do so...My whole thing is the USA should keep of with what they are doing over in parts of Europe, with Stunt parks. Kind of like back in the 80's when skateboarding when everyone was getting tickets for skating in areas they shouldn't be, so what did people do, they made skate parks. Hell in Central Florida, there has to be a least a dozen skate parks, why can't someone designate a Stunt Park for bikes. We have tons of empty lots, why not use them?:headscrat

The stunt guys we ride with, have a place to stunt at, and they have permission by the owners to do so...My whole thing is the USA should keep of with what they are doing over in parts of Europe, with Stunt parks. Kind of like back in the 80's when skateboarding when everyone was getting tickets for skating in areas they shouldn't be, so what did people do, they made skate parks. Hell in Central Florida, there has to be a least a dozen skate parks, why can't someone designate a Stunt Park for bikes. We have tons of empty lots, why not use them?:headscrat I think the reason why this isn't done is that a majority of the stunter are attention whores. They won't get the attention unless they are doing it out in front of everyone & I mean everyone. There's that percentage that are truly into the sport of stunting and will find a isolated place but I think the majority of them are attention whores. Just my 2 cents.

There's that percentage that are truly into the sport of stunting and will find a isolated place but I think the majority of them are attention whores. +1000000...I'd say 95% of stunters would still do dumb shit on the street if every city had a climate controlled, Super Dome sized arena open 24/7 just for them. Did I mention I hate attention whores? That's why I say arrest them, impound the bike, crush it, and send them the bill.

The stunt guys we ride with, have a place to stunt at, and they have permission by the owners to do so...My whole thing is the USA should keep of with what they are doing over in parts of Europe, with Stunt parks. Kind of like back in the 80's when skateboarding when everyone was getting tickets for skating in areas they shouldn't be, so what did people do, they made skate parks. Hell in Central Florida, there has to be a least a dozen skate parks, why can't someone designate a Stunt Park for bikes. We have tons of empty lots, why not use them?:headscrat One simple word "Liability". It would cost to much to have something like that set up by a puplic entity and there is not enough money in it for somebody to open something similar as a business.

One simple word "Liability". It would cost to much to have something like that set up by a puplic entity and there is not enough money in it for somebody to open something similar as a business.If that were the case, then how do we have racetracks in most major cities??? Racing is even more deadly than stunting but yet I have 3 racetracks, that I know of, around here. Come on, thats b.s. liability is not a reason.

i love doing wheelies weeeeee

i love doing wheelies weeeeee +1