Oil Poll

What oils are you using and why?

castrol r4 synthetic 5-40 superbike...best i have ever used. shifting is buttery smooth, no clutch issues. i change my oil around 3g miles and looks almost the same going out as it went in :thumbup:

I'm using castrol too, but I'm trying your product next to see what the hype's about.:thumbup:

Motul 300V full synthetic - for no other reason than it's easily available in my area. I'm open to any good motorcycle specific full synthetic oil though.

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Mobil1 Racing 4T.....why? I used to Amsoil......... If someone can show me proof that Amsoil is better than Racing 4T, I might change I change my oil every 2500 miles or track day,

Mobil1 Racing 4T.....why? I used to Amsoil......... If someone can show me proof that Amsoil is better than Racing 4T, I might change I change my oil every 2500 miles or track day, No doubt, the Mobil 4T oil is a very good oil. It would probably be in my top 2 choices if AMSOIL was not available. If you run the AMSOIL MCF or MCV and the AMSOIL EA Filter, you can double your oil change Interval even under Severe Service. Essentially cutting the cost in half while still providing Superior Lubrication. Ckick on the g2156 link below. These were tests performed by Several of The Top Testing Facilities in the US. Safe Riding ADG

How does Amsoil compare in cost with the aforementioned oil preferences listed by some of the members (...i.e. Motul, Mobil 1, etc.)?

How does Amsoil compare in cost with the aforementioned oil preferences listed by some of the members (...i.e. Motul, Mobil 1, etc.)? More expensive than Mobile 1, but I have used Amsoil forever and will never look back.

How does Amsoil compare in cost with the aforementioned oil preferences listed by some of the members (...i.e. Motul, Mobil 1, etc.)? AMSOIL does not allow us to publicly post any prices. I beleive it was you that was sent some contact information last night ? I was making the rounds to some of my Retailers today which include Harley, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda, Kawi, Victory and some others... Slow day so I just happened to be doing some price comparisons. $11.95 for Mobil MX4T (10W-40) and AMSOIL MCF (10W-40) was $8.95-$9.95... this was pretty much across the board through these shops... We can't compare Mobil 1 automotive when we are looking at AMSOIL M/C oils... there is quite a difference in cost there. Now, take into account you can safely run AMSOIL to 2 times the OEM Recommended change Interval as long as you use the AMSOIL EA Filter and you are essentially cutting the cost by 50% compared to other oils and filters. Even if you buy at AMSOIL at Retail, it still comes out less. ADG .

AMSOIL does not allow us to publicly post any prices. I beleive it was you that was sent some contact information last night ? I was making the rounds to some of my Retailers today which include Harley, Yamaha, Suzuki, Honda, Kawi, Victory and some others... Slow day so I just happened to be doing some price comparisons. $11.95 for Mobil MX4T (10W-40) and AMSOIL MCF (10W-40) was $8.95-$9.95... this was pretty much across the board through these shops... We can't compare Mobil 1 automotive when we are looking at AMSOIL M/C oils... there is quite a difference in cost there. Now, take into account you can safely run AMSOIL to 2 times the OEM Recommended change Interval as long as you use the AMSOIL EA Filter and you are essentially cutting the cost by 50% compared to other oils and filters. Even if you buy at AMSOIL at Retail, it still comes out less. ADG . Correct! :thumbup: I am waiting on the pricing information via email. What happens if I use the recommened WIX filter. Does the 2 times the OEM recommendation for change intervals still apply?

What happens if I use the recommened WIX filter. Does the 2 times the OEM recommendation for change intervals still apply? It does not... Use of any other filter than the EA Filter will require a filter change at the OEM Change Interval and then topping of with the Same AMSOIL Used for the change. The reason is that the EA Filter is constructed with Nano-Fiber Media which is 15 Micron Absolute and does a Superior job in the 5-15 Micron Range as well. ADG .

what does the MCF & MCV stand for and which one do you recommend most of us use?? i have a 06 gixxer 1000

Shell Rotella T full synthetic. Why? Because I educated myself by reading up on oils & not because of whatever is popular. http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html

I use Repsol because that is what they sell at the shop closest to me. And a WIX filter.

what does the MCF & MCV stand for and which one do you recommend most of us use?? i have a 06 gixxer 1000 MCF is the Product code for AMSOIL MotorCycle Specific 10W-40 MCV is the Product Code for AMSOIL MotorCycle Specific 20W-50 Almost all Metric bikes will call for a 20W-40 which we go to our 10W-40. Some of the newer bikes are calling for a 10W-30... we have that covered too. Usually in the manuals it will say something to the tune of, For tempuratures above 95 degrees or sustained high speed driving, 20W-50 can be substituted. That recommendation is probably wise when using a Petroleum oil, but when using AMSOIL, I would stay with the 10W-40. 20W-50 creates more heat, less HP and/or less Fuel Mileage. ADG

Shell Rotella T full synthetic. Why? Because I educated myself by reading up on oils & not because of whatever is popular. http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html :headscrat The author also recommended Amsoil as a motorcycle choice. What was the point of that artical?

Shell Rotella T full synthetic. Why? Because I educated myself by reading up on oils & not because of whatever is popular. http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html That was fine 6 or 7 years ago, when that guy wrote it. Oils have changed in the last 6 or 7 months, much less 6 or 7 years. No different than with his oil filter tests that where, when I emailed with him a few times, he admitted there was no testing, just cutting them apart and visual inspection. With new additives that were not available just 3 years ago, specifically designed for M/C's, the reducing/removal of ZDDP from oils and New Friction Modifiers that are even being used in diesel oils, I will always recommend that no matter which Brand, Petroleum or Synthetic, that you use an oil with the JASO Rating of MA, better yet, MA 2, but never MB in a Street Bike. FYI... Rotella fully Synthetic is 92-98.9% Petroleum oil which can be found on the Shell website under their MSDS.... Not to much room for that "fully". I have over $25K in one of my bikes, I am not going to scrimp on an oil and filter. Even my old '86 got nothing but AMSOIL until the day I sold it. ADG .

Shell Rotella Synthetic. After researching the topic; "Most Bang For The Buck."

That was fine 6 or 7 years ago, when that guy wrote it. Oils have changed in the last 6 or 7 months, much less 6 or 7 years. No different than with his oil filter tests that where, when I emailed with him a few times, he admitted there was no testing, just cutting them apart and visual inspection. With new additives that were not available just 3 years ago, specifically designed for M/C's, the reducing/removal of ZDDP from oils and New Friction Modifiers that are even being used in diesel oils, I will always recommend that no matter which Brand, Petroleum or Synthetic, that you use an oil with the JASO Rating of MA, better yet, MA 2, but never MB in a Street Bike. FYI... Rotella fully Synthetic is 92-98.9% Petroleum oil which can be found on the Shell website under their MSDS.... Not to much room for that "fully". I have over $25K in one of my bikes, I am not going to scrimp on an oil and filter. Even my old '86 got nothing but AMSOIL until the day I sold it. ADG . So Rotella is actually less than 10% synthetic?? :headshake Glad I didnt fall for that oil.

Shell Rotella T full synthetic. Why? Because I educated myself by reading up on oils & not because of whatever is popular. http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html Good read! I don't know if I'm interpreting the tone of your comment incorrectly, but it would seem that it's meant to slight AMSoil. If you based your decision solely off of that url, then AMSoil was a recommended brand due to its properties (...as far as synthetics are concerned), not because of popularity. In either case, ...again, thanks for the link. It was an informative read.

So Rotella is actually less than 10% synthetic?? :headshake Glad I didnt fall for that oil. It's a very good oil, just not a true synthetic... just a mere Hydro-Cracked Product just as Castrol SynTech is and many of the others... One of those "Loop-Holes" in the Law. We like to look at the Performance of the oil more so these days, as someday, someone, may develop a better Petroleum Product and will set the industy back 35 years to when AMSOIL Developed The First API Rated Synthetic oil and had a hard time getting people to believe it. Today, AMSOIL sells more Synthetic MotorCycle oil than any other company... Notice I didn't use one of the competitions phrases "Among The Leading Brands". As far as using Rotella, I have switched many a Rotella user over to AMSOIL, all they had to do was "Try It".... the Smoother shifting out of the ever crunchy Suzuki Trans is what really sold many of them. ADG

Good read! I don't know if I'm interpreting the tone of your comment incorrectly, but it would seem that it's meant to slight AMSoil. If you based your decision solely off of that url, then AMSoil was a recommended brand due to its properties (...as far as synthetics are concerned), not because of popularity. In either case, ...again, thanks for the link. It was an informative read. +1:werd:

It's a very good oil, just not a true synthetic... just a mere Hydro-Cracked Product just as Castrol SynTech is and many of the others... One of those "Loop-Holes" in the Law. We like to look at the Performance of the oil more so these days, as someday, someone, may develop a better Petroleum Product and will set the industy back 35 years to when AMSOIL Developed The First API Rated Synthetic oil and had a hard time getting people to believe it. Today, AMSOIL sells more Synthetic MotorCycle oil than any other company... Notice I didn't use one of the competitions phrases "Among The Leading Brands". As far as using Rotella, I have switched many a Rotella user over to AMSOIL, all they had to do was "Try It".... the Smoother shifting out of the ever crunchy Suzuki Trans is what really sold many of them. ADG I'm looking forward to trying out the product. :thumbup: I'm just awaiting a response from the dealer rep!

Good read! I don't know if I'm interpreting the tone of your comment incorrectly, but it would seem that it's meant to slight AMSoil. If you based your decision solely off of that url, then AMSoil was a recommended brand due to its properties (...as far as synthetics are concerned), not because of popularity. In either case, ...again, thanks for the link. It was an informative read. That wasn't meant to slight Amsoil. Nowhere in that article did it say anything negative about Amsoil. In fact, it did say that Amsoil was a good brand with good results.

It's a very good oil, just not a true synthetic... just a mere Hydro-Cracked Product just as Castrol SynTech is and many of the others... One of those "Loop-Holes" in the Law. We like to look at the Performance of the oil more so these days, as someday, someone, may develop a better Petroleum Product and will set the industy back 35 years to when AMSOIL Developed The First API Rated Synthetic oil and had a hard time getting people to believe it. Today, AMSOIL sells more Synthetic MotorCycle oil than any other company... Notice I didn't use one of the competitions phrases "Among The Leading Brands". As far as using Rotella, I have switched many a Rotella user over to AMSOIL, all they had to do was "Try It".... the Smoother shifting out of the ever crunchy Suzuki Trans is what really sold many of them. ADG Hmmm.... I actually used Amsoil before Rotella & tried Rotella because it was recommended by some club racers I know. I didn't feel any difference in performance(shifting) with the 2 products. I say let the consumers make there own decision after using several different products. I'm not trying to take anything away from Amsoil at all but why would I not use a less expensive product that can perform as well, if not, better than the more expensive brand?

Hmmm.... I actually used Amsoil before Rotella & tried Rotella because it was recommended by some club racers I know. I didn't feel any difference in performance(shifting) with the 2 products. I say let the consumers make there own decision after using several different products. I'm not trying to take anything away from Amsoil at all but why would I not use a less expensive product that can perform as well, if not, better than the more expensive brand? The Rotella is a good product, I wouldn't use it, it is not JASO Rated... But that is up to the individual.. I have over $25K in one Bike, it gets the best, Period. There is no way for you to draw a fair comparisone and say that Rotella is as good as AMSOIL or any other oil without testing and analysis. You are not going to find a side by side comparison from any company between the two as it is an Apple/Orange Comparison. So that would lead back to Analysis and even it is not conclusive. There are many things going on inside your engine where you cannot tell is one oil is better than another without comparative testing which requires several identical engines, many, many thousands of miles, tear downs, lab results and Deep Pocket Books... ADG

Wow. This isnt a thread at all. Its a long"Whatever your using, what im selling is better" ad.

Wow. This isnt a thread at all. Its a long"Whatever your using, what im selling is better" ad. +1:headshake

FYI... Rotella fully Synthetic is 92-98.9% Petroleum oil which can be found on the Shell website under their MSDS.... Not to much room for that "fully" Fair enough. But.... are you claiming that Amsoil is a 100% synthetic oil that is produced by a chemical reaction (synthesis) in an Amsoil chemical plant & not a severely refined petroleum product purchased from the lowest bidder(1 more major oil companies) & blended at a crack warehouse & given a private label?

$11.95 for Mobil MX4T (10W-40) and AMSOIL MCF (10W-40) was $8.95-$9.95... this was pretty much across the board through these shops... . Damm!! I pay $8.xx in Missouri for the Mobil1 Racing 4T (used to be MX4T) Amsoil around here is $9.50+ Amsoil is a great oil, and if was chepaer...I'd be buying it

FYI... Rotella fully Synthetic is 92-98.9% Petroleum oil which can be found on the Shell website under their MSDS.... Not to much room for that "fully". Taken from Shells FAQ section: "Is SHELL ROTELLA Synthetic a real synthetic? Yes! Shell ROTELLA T Synthetic SAE 5W-40 is made with synthetic base stocks that have been made through a process of chemical synthesis of feed material called isomerization."

The Rotella is a good product, I wouldn't use it, it is not JASO Rated. "Next time you're at the dealership, look at all the bottles of factory-brand oil. Because the distributors buy bulk oil from whoever's selling it cheap, often even the "official" Honda or Kawasaki or Yamaha oil is not in fact JASO MA rated. For almost three years, every single bottle of Kawasaki synthetic oil sold in the U.S. was not JASO rated though their dino oil was." http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165074&page=4 If you Google Rotella & motorcycle, all you will get are good results from many users.

Yes, Amsoil is 100% synthetic oil.:D

Taken from Shells FAQ section: "Is SHELL ROTELLA Synthetic a real synthetic? Yes! Shell ROTELLA T Synthetic SAE 5W-40 is made with synthetic base stocks that have been made through a process of chemical synthesis of feed material called isomerization." Due to the results of a lawsuit filed by Mobil against Castrol, Oils that use a Group III Base Stock, such as Castrol SynTech and Rotella are able to call themselves Synthetic. So they are not telling a lie, by the letter of the law. But, McDonalds says their Hamburgers are 100% Pure Beef too. AMSOIL, Motul 300V, and Mobil 1 MX4T, are Group IV and Group V Synthetics. Rotella's MSDS Maintains that it is 92-98.9% Petroleum.. Look for the MSDS on the site, they have made it very hard to find. ADG .

"Next time you're at the dealership, look at all the bottles of factory-brand oil. Because the distributors buy bulk oil from whoever's selling it cheap, often even the "official" Honda or Kawasaki or Yamaha oil is not in fact JASO MA rated. For almost three years, every single bottle of Kawasaki synthetic oil sold in the U.S. was not JASO rated though their dino oil was." That is why they are SG Rated oils which is a Rating from the Early to Mid 1990's If you Google Rotella & motorcycle, all you will get are good results from many users. I always say: Reasonable results can be had from using a Good Petroleum oil and a Good oil filter. Superior Results can be had by using a Premium Synthetic Oil and a Premium Filter. Synthetic oils are not for everyone, but they are for people who want the best for their vehicles. ADG .

Damm!! I pay $8.xx in Missouri for the Mobil1 Racing 4T (used to be MX4T) Amsoil around here is $9.50+ Amsoil is a great oil, and if was chepaer...I'd be buying it $9.50 for AMSOIL is a Fair Price. If you take into consideration that if you use the AMSOIL EA Series Oil Filter, you can safely Double your oil change interval over the OEM Recommended, you just made the cost of the AMSOIL $4.75. If you click on one of our Banner Ads here, we have a rotating group of AMSOIL Dealers that offer various Specials to Forum Members. OR, you can click on the ezlubes link in the Signature, or, you can send an email to info@ezlubes.com ADG .

I pay $7.99 for Amsoil. Not a bad price for a quality product.

Fair enough. But.... are you claiming that Amsoil is a 100% synthetic oil that is produced by a chemical reaction (synthesis) in an Amsoil chemical plant & not a severely refined petroleum product purchased from the lowest bidder(1 more major oil companies) & blended at a crack warehouse & given a private label? AMSOIL does have a few Hydro-Cracked Products, this is the XL Line. an currently has one Blend in a Diesel oil. The other oils are PAO Based Synthetics w/Esters. AMSOIL uses the Highest Grade PAO's and Additives and Not the "Lowest Bidders" ADG .

I pay $7.99 for Amsoil. Not a bad price for a quality product. If that is for MCF, that is a Great Price !!! Sounds as though you are a Preferred Customer or have a friend that is a Dealer.. ADG .

Not a perferred customer. probably should be, And that is for the MCF. I usually find it at Mills Fleet Farm. Not sure if they have any of those stores other than Minnesota.

Not a perferred customer. probably should be, And that is for the MCF. I usually find it at Mills Fleet Farm. Not sure if they have any of those stores other than Minnesota. I am familiar with them being a former N. Illinois Boy. If I remember right, they were actually one of the companies that slipped in before our 12 store policy came into effect. We are always looking for New Preferred Customers in our group. You can click on one of the Banner Ads here, click the ezlubes link below or send an email to info@ezlubes.com and tell us that you are from the GSXR Forum. Safe Riding ADG .

I only use amsoil

I see on the Amsoil website that Amsoil analyzed and compared Amsoil to Rotella. Was the using Rotella Full Synth 5w-40 or the dino?

mobil 1 mx4t speaking of i need to do an oil change soon, anyone know a good place online to get some its about 12 bucks a quart at the dealers where i am at.

Not a perferred customer. probably should be, And that is for the MCF. I usually find it at Mills Fleet Farm. Not sure if they have any of those stores other than Minnesota. Which Fleet Farm are you getting this AMSoil at? I may try it for my next oil change. If its worth the extra drive to get, over the Repsol.

Damn, I need to find somewhere in Cali that sells AMSoil/Mobil 1 at a low price point.

Which Fleet Farm are you getting this AMSoil at? I may try it for my next oil change. If its worth the extra drive to get, over the Repsol. either fleet farm in Alexandria or Fergus Falls. I have picked it up in St. Cloud as well.

either fleet farm in Alexandria or Fergus Falls. I have picked it up in St. Cloud as well. Fools. There is a dealer in Maple Lake I get my Amsoil from. 7.14 a quart for 10w40 motorcycle oil. I am a preferred member with him, as I spend alot of money on oil with him on all my vehicles. I can give you a number if you want to PM me and are interested.:thumbup:

What you mean fools! I live near Alexandria

What you mean fools! I live near Alexandria That sucks. Go to the website, and search for "dealers near me"

I have to disagree with some on the shifting improvements of the Rotella. I started using it on my YZ450 originally and noticed a crisper and smoother shift. On my 1000 changing from Suzuki dino to the Rotella the same thing was observed. I will readily admit the Amsoil is a better product, but is the small difference worth the much larger price when comparing all aspects? I just don't see it.

I have to disagree with some on the shifting improvements of the Rotella. I started using it on my YZ450 originally and noticed a crisper and smoother shift. On my 1000 changing from Suzuki dino to the Rotella the same thing was observed. I will readily admit the Amsoil is a better product, but is the small difference worth the much larger price when comparing all aspects? I just don't see it. CC... you must look at ALL the benefits, not just one. Smoother Shifting, Smoother Running, Cooler Oil Temps, More HP, Better Fuel Mileage, More Anti-Rust and Corrosion Inhibitors and less wear not only in the engine but the transmission as well. Then, we have the ability of Extended Drain Intervals which effectively cuts the cost in half. Oops, almost forgot, Shell will not warranty an oil related failure in a MotorCycle. Safe Riding, ADG

I use Repsol because that is what they sell at the shop closest to me. And a WIX filter. if your talking about Hitching Post they screwed me on that stuff... it came out black as hell with only about 900 miles. i put zuki lub in it this winter because its cheap and i'm not going to drive on it... but i'm trying to find the Mobile 1 4T.

$9.50 for AMSOIL is a Fair Price. If you take into consideration that if you use the AMSOIL EA Series Oil Filter, you can safely Double your oil change interval over the OEM Recommended, you just made the cost of the AMSOIL $4.75. If you click on one of our Banner Ads here, we have a rotating group of AMSOIL Dealers that offer various Specials to Forum Members. OR, you can click on the ezlubes link in the Signature, or, you can send an email to info@ezlubes.com ADG . Double your oil change interval , Not me .............. I would use the cheaper oil and change it twice as offen before doing that . :lol:

I've heard of synthetics/semi-synthetics causing clutch slippage. Is this true?

Double your oil change interval , Not me .............. I would use the cheaper oil and change it twice as offen before doing that . :lol: That's Great, if we all used synthetics, the bikes would last too long and the OEM's would be struggling for sales... :) As I always say: Reasonable results can be had using a good petroleum oil and a good filter. Superior Results can be had using a Premium Synthetic and a Premium Filter. Oil has 4 major functions in an engine: Cool, Clean, Seal and Lubricate. Synthetic oils do them all better, and a Premium Filter will help keep the oil cleaner as well. If the synthetic seals the combustion chamber better, less combustion by-products get into the oil to form acidity. Most Premium Synthetics already have a higher TBN to combat acidity already. Cleaner oil, better acidity control = Extended Drains... I am looking at pulling oil analysis at around 10,000 miles on my current change. Safe Riding, ADG

CC... you must look at ALL the benefits, not just one. Smoother Shifting, Smoother Running, Cooler Oil Temps, More HP, Better Fuel Mileage, More Anti-Rust and Corrosion Inhibitors and less wear not only in the engine but the transmission as well. Then, we have the ability of Extended Drain Intervals which effectively cuts the cost in half. Oops, almost forgot, Shell will not warranty an oil related failure in a MotorCycle. Safe Riding, ADG 1. More HP? :lol: 2. Better Fuel Milage than what? 3. How often does rust & corrosion form in a regularly ridden bike using another full synthetic? 4. Tell us how we can extend the drain intervals without spending more $. 5. What's Amsoils definition of an oil related failure in a motorcycle?

I've heard of synthetics/semi-synthetics causing clutch slippage. Is this true? Although several years ago, this was not such a problem, it seems to be coming more to the front these days. Oil has changed drastically in the last 12 months, much less several years. Many Petroleum oils, Synthetics and So-Called Synthetics are using Friction Modifiers. Never Mind about the "Enegy Star".... Some of the lesser oils, use higher doses of these modifiers to try and simulate a better oil. I have even seen clutch chatter in some Suzuki's after using M1 Automotive. Due to these changes in oils, I always recommend an oil with a JASO Rating of MA, or better yet, MA 2, But never MB in a higher powered bike. Either that, or look for an plain SG rated oil... A 1990's Spec that M/C manufacturers hang on to for the lack of Friction Modifiers. I know, there are always the ones out there, "I've used ABC oil for 50 years and never had a problem" again, oils have changed in just the last several months... ADG

1. More HP? Dyno Proven 2. Better Fuel Milage than what? Than what you will get with a Petroleum oil 3. How often does rust & corrosion form in a regularly ridden bike using another full synthetic? About 3/4 of the country stores there bikes during winter months and anything longer than a couple weeks not riding can form rust on the cylinders 4. Tell us how we can extend the drain intervals without spending more $. With the use of AMSOIL MCF or MCV and an AMSOIL EA Filter you can safely go 2 times the OEM Recommended Drain Interval. 5. What's Amsoils definition of an oil related failure in a motorcycle? Just as with any oil, it has to be tested, if the oil is serviceable, it was not the fault of the oil. ADG

I've heard of synthetics/semi-synthetics causing clutch slippage. Is this true? Any motor oil with an energy conserving label has additives called molybdenum disulfide which decreases friction. This additive makes the oil too slippery for wet clutches.

Although several years ago, this was not such a problem, it seems to be coming more to the front these days. Oil has changed drastically in the last 12 months, much less several years. Many Petroleum oils, Synthetics and So-Called Synthetics are using Friction Modifiers. Never Mind about the "Enegy Star".... Some of the lesser oils, use higher doses of these modifiers to try and simulate a better oil. I have even seen clutch chatter in some Suzuki's after using M1 Automotive. Due to these changes in oils, I always recommend an oil with a JASO Rating of MA, or better yet, MA 2, But never MB in a higher powered bike. Either that, or look for an plain SG rated oil... A 1990's Spec that M/C manufacturers hang on to for the lack of Friction Modifiers. I know, there are always the ones out there, "I've used ABC oil for 50 years and never had a problem" again, oils have changed in just the last several months... ADG Any motor oil with an energy conserving label has additives called molybdenum disulfide which decreases friction. This additive makes the oil too slippery for wet clutches. Thanks for the explanation. A guy at Bert's Auto Mall mentioned it to me when I was picking up a few parts, and some Motul radiator fluid.

Any motor oil with an energy conserving label has additives called molybdenum disulfide which decreases friction. This additive makes the oil too slippery for wet clutches. Although though there are many articles to just the opposite about Moly and clutch slippage, I prefer the safe road myself and stay with JASO MA and MA 2 oils One of the problems today are the New Friction Modifiers that don't have to be listed as "Energy Conserving" yet and most all Automotive and Diesel oils are using some type of them. ADG

i use 10w40 valvoline in a busa engine which has been drag raced almost every weekend possible since 2002 (here in canada). the valve cover has never been off the bike. the engine has about 30,000 street kilometers on it as well as it`s time at the track. i should also mention that i used nitrous from time to time. i`m happy with valvoline but i must say that a lot of racers are using amsoil and happy with it as well. cory

ADG 1. More HP? Dyno Proven 2. Better Fuel Milage than what? Than what you will get with a Petroleum oil 3. How often does rust & corrosion form in a regularly ridden bike using another full synthetic? About 3/4 of the country stores there bikes during winter months and anything longer than a couple weeks not riding can form rust on the cylinders 4. Tell us how we can extend the drain intervals without spending more $. With the use of AMSOIL MCF or MCV and an AMSOIL EA Filter you can safely go 2 times the OEM Recommended Drain Interval. 5. What's Amsoils definition of an oil related failure in a motorcycle? Just as with any oil, it has to be tested, if the oil is serviceable, it was not the fault of the oil. Chumped again by an expert. Just hang it up and let it be that Amsoil is superior , even if slightly, than leading oils. I did years ago, and dont regret it

i use 10w40 valvoline in a busa engine which has been drag raced almost every weekend possible since 2002 (here in canada). the valve cover has never been off the bike. the engine has about 30,000 street kilometers on it as well as it`s time at the track. i should also mention that i used nitrous from time to time. i`m happy with valvoline but i must say that a lot of racers are using amsoil and happy with it as well. cory And you are using a good oil... but one of the things everyone needs to look at as well, is that ZDDP has been removed/reduced from most oils today and is necesary for flat tappet cams..

Chumped again by an expert. Just hang it up and let it be that Amsoil is superior , even if slightly, than leading oils. I did years ago, and dont regret it I suppose that after 24 years of doing this, I managed to pick up a thing or two along the way :) ADG

if your talking about Hitching Post they screwed me on that stuff... it came out black as hell with only about 900 miles. i put zuki lub in it this winter because its cheap and i'm not going to drive on it... but i'm trying to find the Mobile 1 4T. Yeah that is where I went, the HP in Coon Rapids. They had AMSoil there too, idk why I went with the Repsol, just did. They didn't care either way though.

use mobil 1 on all my bikes 2 street 1 dirt and a quad. why 1. its cheaper in price 2. more readly availible and this is the main reason. i do alot of dirt biking, if i break a cover waaaaay the F upnorth or have a loose bolt, any thing, any thing goes wrong and i can repair the damage, if i need more oil i can hit any one of a number of gas stations up there and find mobil 1, im gonnna play hell finding amsol, bleray, motul, goldenspectrol. so i use mobil 1 why dont i get some thing else for the others simple, i dont like having to have azz loads of oil, one for this one some for that one you know. i have a shelf with spare filters and several gallons of mobil 1.

mobil 1 mx4t speaking of i need to do an oil change soon, anyone know a good place online to get some its about 12 bucks a quart at the dealers where i am at. AutoZone and select Walmarts

I use the suzuki oil that they sell at the dealer. noob question what is recomended for street rideing? i dont take it to the track

Chumped again by an expert. Just hang it up and let it be that Amsoil is superior , even if slightly, than leading oils. I did years ago, and dont regret it :funny: Well good for you that you spent more money than others. Looks like you're the sucker that fell under Amways...OOPS...Amsoils sales pitch. SUCKER!!!!:laughingr Have you done your own analysis by sending samples to Blackstone or similar companies or are you just using it because someone told you it was the best or did your previous oil fuck your bike up?

:funny: Well good for you that you spent more money than others. Looks like you're the sucker that fell under Amways...OOPS...Amsoils sales pitch. SUCKER!!!!:laughingr Have you done your own analysis by sending samples to Blackstone or similar companies or are you just using it because someone told you it was the best or did your previous oil fuck your bike up? :funny: You moron. If you would have understood any of it, I actually spend less than you, and get a better oil. With over 13,000 miles on a 1993 atv, and still no trouble, I would say its proved itself. With 100k on a trailblazer, and 4 oil changes, with ZERO tranny or engine problems, ive saved WAY more than you and still have better oil in my vehicle. Let that settle in your brain for a while.:laughings

:funny: You moron. If you would have understood any of it, I actually spend less than you, and get a better oil. With over 13,000 miles on a 1993 atv, and still no trouble, I would say its proved itself. With 100k on a trailblazer, and 4 oil changes, with ZERO tranny or engine problems, ive saved WAY more than you and still have better oil in my vehicle. Let that settle in your brain for a while.:laughings & how would you know how much I've spent? Explain to me, please?:headscrat -Have you gone 13K miles on another exact same atv model using another oil?:headscrat -Have you gone 100K miles in another trailblazer with same change intervals using another oil?:headscrat How do you know you can't do that with other oils? Because Amsoil said so?:headshake :lame:

& how would you know how much I've spent? Explain to me, please?:headscrat -Have you gone 13K miles on another exact same atv model using another oil?:headscrat -Have you gone 100K miles in another trailblazer with same change intervals using another oil?:headscrat How do you know you can't do that with other oils? Because Amsoil said so?:headshake :lame: I got almost 12k from a zx9 running Pennzoil before having it rebuilt.:headshake Ive never had a single problem with Amsoil, so I wont change. Not because Amsoil said so, because the proof is in the pudding.

I got almost 12k from a zx9 running Pennzoil before having it rebuilt.:headshake Ive never had a single problem with Amsoil, so I wont change. Not because Amsoil said so, because the proof is in the pudding. So you ran Amsoil on another ZX9 (same year model & same condition) & riding it the same way you rode the ZX9 with Pennzoil. The ZX9 using Amsoil had no problems at 12K miles? Why don't you just stop using bad examples to justify your purchases.

& how would you know how much I've spent? Explain to me, please?:headscrat -Have you gone 13K miles on another exact same atv model using another oil?:headscrat -Have you gone 100K miles in another trailblazer with same change intervals using another oil?:headscrat How do you know you can't do that with other oils? Because Amsoil said so?:headshake :lame: AMSOIL's test are performed by Third Parties which are several of the Top Testing Facilities in the US. If you have any testing from Third Parties that show AMSOIL to be less than what they say it is, bring it to the table. Otherwise, you are another "I've Never used it, but can tell you all you never wanted to know about it" people. After 24 years with AMSOIL, I have enough personal use and testing to tell you that AMSOIL does what it says and more. Well over 9000 miles on a Motorcycle in the Florida heat, to Sturgis and Back, more riding around Florida and the analysis came bac "No Corrective Action Rquired, Continue to Next Regular Service Interval" The Synthetic previously in the same Bike had Sheared beck a full grade and was recommended to change. ADG

So you ran Amsoil on another ZX9 (same year model & same condition) & riding it the same way you rode the ZX9 with Pennzoil. The ZX9 using Amsoil had no problems at 12K miles? Does it have to be the same vehicle? Will all ZX9s burn out at 12k with penzzoil in them? Probably not. But I had bad luck with tht oil, and good results with Amsoil, so why change? Im spending less money for a proven oil ( in my vehicles) than you are ( I dont need proof, if you get your oil changed at recommended intervals, I KNOW you spend ALOT more.) So why not? Im saving money, and using a better product, from my own experience, not because I was told so. If you are happy with your oil, use it, I can care less, I know what Im going to use, regardless of what anyone says.

AMSOIL's test are performed by Third Parties which are several of the Top Testing Facilities in the US. If you have any testing from Third Parties that show AMSOIL to be less than what they say it is, bring it to the table. Otherwise, you are another "I've Never used it, but can tell you all you never wanted to know about it" people. After 24 years with AMSOIL, I have enough personal use and testing to tell you that AMSOIL does what it says and more. Well over 9000 miles on a Motorcycle in the Florida heat, to Sturgis and Back, more riding around Florida and the analysis came bac "No Corrective Action Rquired, Continue to Next Regular Service Interval" The Synthetic previously in the same Bike had Sheared beck a full grade and was recommended to change. ADG Damn! Enough with the sales pitches already. Of coarse you will be biased to Amsoil. You sell it & will make money on more sales. Sorry! But 3rd party testing & analysis means nothing to me. I use what works for me. I've used Amsoil & other brands. Hate to tell you, but I've been using Rotella for almost 32K miles (2005 GSXR 1K) & no problems. This is commuting during the week & riding hard on the weekends. Until something happens, no reason to change.

Does it have to be the same vehicle? Will all ZX9s burn out at 12k with penzzoil in them? Probably not. But I had bad luck with tht oil, and good results with Amsoil, so why change? Im spending less money for a proven oil ( in my vehicles) than you are ( I dont need proof, if you get your oil changed at recommended intervals, I KNOW you spend ALOT more.) So why not? Im saving money, and using a better product, from my own experience, not because I was told so. If you are happy with your oil, use it, I can care less, I know what Im going to use, regardless of what anyone says. :thumbup: You seem to forget that I'm not the one in here trying to sell my oil I use. It's a good thing you included "if you get your oil changed at recommended intervals" because I don't. It's just a waste of money to do so. Synthetics hold up a lot longer than dino.

Damn! Enough with the sales pitches already. Of coarse you will be biased to Amsoil. You sell it & will make money on more sales. Sorry! But 3rd party testing & analysis means nothing to me. I use what works for me. I've used Amsoil & other brands. Hate to tell you, but I've been using Rotella for almost 32K miles (2005 GSXR 1K) & no problems. This is commuting during the week & riding hard on the weekends. Until something happens, no reason to change. I don't say the things I do about AMSOIL to sell it, I sell AMSOIL because I CAN say the things I do. If I should ever find a better Product (and I am always looking) I'll sell that product. We are glad that Rotella works for YOU. If a petroleum oil works for you, By ALL means, keep using it. Sorry! ASTM and SAE Tests are the only factual data that can support claims. As long as you try to put AMSOIL down, I'll be here to support it. I have over $25K in my bike, a few extra dollars up front to save in the long run, won't hurt me one bit.

:funny: Well good for you that you spent more money than others. Looks like you're the sucker that fell under Amways...OOPS...Amsoils sales pitch. SUCKER!!!!:laughingr Have you done your own analysis by sending samples to Blackstone or similar companies or are you just using it because someone told you it was the best or did your previous oil fuck your bike up? If my memory serves me correctly.... ...aren't you the individual who linked us to a thread where the author preferred Rotella, so as a result, you chose to use it as well (..touting your accomplishment with a tone of superiority because you "did your research, and chose your product due to its properties, not popularity!" ...[/sarcasm])? You followed that individual's advice (...who stated that he was not a specialist/expert on the topic, and admitted to only having read up on many products), so how does that make you any different than those who chose AMSoil based on proven results? You come across as a hypocrite, and seem highly invested in minimizing the benefits of AMSoil's product. What prompts such behavior from you?

You can find support for even the worst products in the world and people will use them even if there is 10 times the information to the contrary. Don't take that wrong !! It was an extreme.. Rotella is a good oil, for a diesel, I would not hesitate to use it in an Emergency, but it would be back out ASAP. Everyone is entitled to their thoughts, if everyone liked the same thing, this would be a boring world and no need for the discussion on this thread. As for me and AMSOIL, I have a Passion for the product, as neither the Product, or the Company, has let me down in 24 years. ADG

opinions on royal purple???

Everytime I see "Royal Purple" mentioned on this site, 99% of the time it's not positive. My experiences are the opposite. My previous Suzuki 750 used it for a long time. I was very pleased with the shifting and with the engine performance. Thats my bike story. My "car" story, if you look under my profile, my website is listed. The vast majority of my 49 "A" Feature wins were using Royal Purple because my engine builder insists upon it. We run a 355" making 645hp and a 397" making 710HP on methanol - both engines are torn down every 500 miles and while pistons and valvesprings are replaced by milage, the bearing always look PERFECT. Methanol can dilute some oils, and it's just nasty stuff. The fact that the Royal Purple deals with the vasts amounts of fuel contamination and internal moisture created is testiment enough for me.... I am not using Royal Purple in my 07 1000 because it's only got 2800 miles. When I change the oil next, RP is going in.

See the test reports below (click on g2156) compiled from several of The Top Testing Facilities in the US. ADG

I have been using motul 300v, why, because over 100k miles, few different street/race bikes, with no problems to speak of.

If my memory serves me correctly.... ...aren't you the individual who linked us to a thread where the author preferred Rotella, so as a result, you chose to use it as well (..touting your accomplishment with a tone of superiority because you "did your research, and chose your product due to its properties, not popularity!" ...[/sarcasm])? You followed that individual's advice (...who stated that he was not a specialist/expert on the topic, and admitted to only having read up on many products), so how does that make you any different than those who chose AMSoil based on proven results? You come across as a hypocrite, and seem highly invested in minimizing the benefits of AMSoil's product. What prompts such behavior from you? I was the individual. That was just an example. I can provide more links if you'd like. But I've also mentioned that I have almost 32K on my 2005 Gix 1K using nothing but Rotella & the clutch has always been smooth & no problems & that's going past Suzuki's oil change intervals every time. What prompts behavior like that from me? Well, I answered the OP's question & stated the reason for it. You & a few other people assumed the reason for my answer was directed towards Amsoil. He asked a question & it was answered. The OP or anybody else is not always gonna get the responses he/she like read. It seemed like you instigated it all by posting that comment after my initial response but I didn't call you out on it. Here you are again with your attempts. You have better success in the Ladies forum posting half nude pics of yourself or talking about your bimmer. Just don't instigate shit around here.:headshake

Mobil Racing 4T does just fine here. Plus it is not too expensive and I use OEM filter so everything is peachy!

mobil synthetic for bikes. because its available from autozone for like 8 bux and change.

I'm going on record to say that I'm not going to bash any certain brand of oils. I currently use Amsoil 10W40 and their Ea oil filters. No specific reason really...just read posts about people claiming it to be top notch. I became a preferred customer to get it at wholesale prices. Like a lot of people on the forum I change my oil every 2000-2500 miles. Haven't done track days yet so street riding is what I do...both stop and go, and open road twist the throttle riding. I spent some time this past weekend at a race teams complex. Not motorcycles but USAC Sprint Cars. This team is known among racers. They had 4 cars in various stages of build. The Engine shop was the shit!!! I started talking to the engine builder about the great oil debate. He walked me around to another building and showed me the toys....6 sleds, 8 ATV, 8 dirtbikes, 2 Honda Pilots, 4 Jet skis, and a 44 foot offshore cat pushing 2800HP. I know...What's this have to do with oil.... When I mentioned Amsoil he came unglued... He showed me blown motors from the sleds, NOT highly modified sleds either....dirt bike motors. These all ran Amsoil!!! They had nothing good to say about amsoil. Said don't believe the hype. I'm like :shifty WTF? I use their product but I'm considering changing based on what I've seen. These guys are serious about their motors and what goes into their motors. They had CASES of Yamalube they use in their toys now. Their one engine builder can walk into a motorcycle/snowmobile dealership and if there's a blown motor there in parts he can tell if the owner was using Amsoil based on what he's seen and repaired. I've read people using Mobile Racing 4T, Repsol, Motul, Redline, Rotella, Spectro Golden, etc. I haven't found a website yet that does an independent study of ALL these oils side by side. Yes Amsoil did a study by a third party but did Amsoil pay for that study. Meaning maybe, just maybe, it's biased. :hmmm: Like I said I use Amsoil but that's subject to change. I used Spectro Golden in previous motorcycles with no problems. I think all these synthetic oils are good for everyday riding as long as you change it regularly. Here's a question? Why did my friend stop selling Amsoil at his dealership? He won't tell me specifically but won't carry it anymore. He did for many years, now you won't see it on his shelves. Seems to like Spectro.... My mechanic buddy doesn't care for Amsoil either. Said Amsoil has a GREAT marketing dupe....probably the best in the oil business. He can't believe I use Amsoil...now I'm thinking what actually led me to Amsoil...people's hype and marketing ploy.

But yet AMSOIL is used by some of the Top NASCAR Teams, Indy, Monster Trucks, USAC, Champ Boat Racers, Off Shore Racers, CORR, AMA and SnoX just for some.. And we are talking Winners, not back of the Packers. They are all saying just the opposite of the shop you mentioned. A Dealership that stops selling AMSOIL is usually one that gets upset because they find out people, such as yourself, have found a way to buy it at the same price they are. You even said yourself that you have had good luck with AMSOIL. What most people would be surprised at, is Who AMSOIL Private Labels for. It's tough being on Top, there is always someone there trying to knock you off. After 24 years of selling AMSOIL, I can tell you first hand that I have put it through Extremes that the company would never recommend.. I hope you reconsider, but if you choose a different oil, I hope you are happy with your choice. There are several fine Synthetics on the market today. ADG

I'm going on record to say that I'm not going to bash any certain brand of oils. I currently use Amsoil 10W40 and their Ea oil filters. No specific reason really...just read posts about people claiming it to be top notch. I became a preferred customer to get it at wholesale prices. Like a lot of people on the forum I change my oil every 2000-2500 miles. Haven't done track days yet so street riding is what I do...both stop and go, and open road twist the throttle riding. I spent some time this past weekend at a race teams complex. Not motorcycles but USAC Sprint Cars. This team is known among racers. They had 4 cars in various stages of build. The Engine shop was the shit!!! I started talking to the engine builder about the great oil debate. He walked me around to another building and showed me the toys....6 sleds, 8 ATV, 8 dirtbikes, 2 Honda Pilots, 4 Jet skis, and a 44 foot offshore cat pushing 2800HP. I know...What's this have to do with oil.... When I mentioned Amsoil he came unglued... He showed me blown motors from the sleds, NOT highly modified sleds either....dirt bike motors. These all ran Amsoil!!! They had nothing good to say about amsoil. Said don't believe the hype. I'm like :shifty WTF? I use their product but I'm considering changing based on what I've seen. These guys are serious about their motors and what goes into their motors. They had CASES of Yamalube they use in their toys now. Their one engine builder can walk into a motorcycle/snowmobile dealership and if there's a blown motor there in parts he can tell if the owner was using Amsoil based on what he's seen and repaired. I've read people using Mobile Racing 4T, Repsol, Motul, Redline, Rotella, Spectro Golden, etc. I haven't found a website yet that does an independent study of ALL these oils side by side. Yes Amsoil did a study by a third party but did Amsoil pay for that study. Meaning maybe, just maybe, it's biased. :hmmm: Like I said I use Amsoil but that's subject to change. I used Spectro Golden in previous motorcycles with no problems. I think all these synthetic oils are good for everyday riding as long as you change it regularly. Here's a question? Why did my friend stop selling Amsoil at his dealership? He won't tell me specifically but won't carry it anymore. He did for many years, now you won't see it on his shelves. Seems to like Spectro.... My mechanic buddy doesn't care for Amsoil either. Said Amsoil has a GREAT marketing dupe....probably the best in the oil business. He can't believe I use Amsoil...now I'm thinking what actually led me to Amsoil...people's hype and marketing ploy. Im pulling a BS card on this one. So they just have blown motors lying around to show people? Nice try.:headshake

Im pulling a BS card on this one. So they just have blown motors lying around to show people? Nice try.:headshake I was trying to be a little softer with my answer and pull in a few facts but my thoughts were exactly that. There is not an oil on the market that will "cause" all those engines to blow up.. Even cheap Wally World oil... as long as it is used in it's specified application. Bob, ADG

Im pulling a BS card on this one. So they just have blown motors lying around to show people? Nice try.:headshake Sorry but you can put the BS card back in the deck. They had five motors torn apart from the sleds and dirt bikes....not to show the effects of Amsoil.....but to rebuild. They haven't rebuilt them yet because their concentrating on getting their 4 cars ready for the upcoming season. I mentioned Amsoil to them remember? I was then shown the motors. They weren't on some anti-Amsoil campaign. I asked them what their thoughts were about Amsoil because I use it. That's when they shook their heads. I'm not flaming Amsoil products....I still have it in my bike!! I'm just curious to see another oil study with ALL synthetic motorcycle oils included. I haven't made my decision to switch oils....just curious.

I was trying to be a little softer with my answer and pull in a few facts but my thoughts were exactly that. There is not an oil on the market that will "cause" all those engines to blow up.. Even cheap Wally World oil... as long as it is used in it's specified application. Bob, ADG Are you the same Bob that posts on other forums? If so? Haven't I read posts from you discussing the same threads with their forum members. They seem to "go around" over there too. Are you Bobtheoilguy?

castrol r4 synthetic 5-40 superbike...best i have ever used. shifting is buttery smooth, no clutch issues. i change my oil around 3g miles and looks almost the same going out as it went in :thumbup: What are you riding and how many miles do you have? Thanks!

Are you the same Bob that posts on other forums? If so? Haven't I read posts from you discussing the same threads with their forum members. They seem to "go around" over there too. Are you Bobtheoilguy? I am not Bobtheoilguy.... thank goodness.... that site is just a little to political for me and I see a lot of misinformation there. It doesn't matter if they have 5 or 500 engines torn apart or blown up or whatever.... I am going to call it as abuse, neglect, improper care and or building/rebuilding. It just don't happen... PLEASE...... think about that, and what I said in my first post after yours... We have a huge field of Pro Racers using our products... Not just Big names, the Top names in each of their Sports. These Teams wouldn't risk engines that are over $60,000.00 for $50.00 in oil... ADG

I am not Bobtheoilguy.... thank goodness.... that site is just a little to political for me and I see a lot of misinformation there. It doesn't matter if they have 5 or 500 engines torn apart or blown up or whatever.... I am going to call it as abuse, neglect, improper care and or building/rebuilding. It just don't happen... PLEASE...... think about that, and what I said in my first post after yours... We have a huge field of Pro Racers using our products... Not just Big names, the Top names in each of their Sports. These Teams wouldn't risk engines that are over $60,000.00 for $50.00 in oil... ADG I understand what your saying. I'm an engineer so I like knowledge. I gather info and analyze it before I make a decision.

What are you riding and how many miles do you have? Thanks! gsxr1000k6..approx 16k miles...i did not however put synthetic in bike till motor was properly and completely broke in.

I use Royal Purple in everything I own. I saw what my cylinder walls looked like after 183,000 mile in my truck and look like the block just came from the machine shop. I run it in my bike since the 3000 mile mark and now up too 17890. Have not had one problem. Will never change. Mobile 1 does not let my bike run the same it feels like it drags. Royal Purple is what I will always use don't care the cost I'm sold for life.

Eneos 5w-40 in my bike. I was using Ams in one of my high hp cars and it would always burn, switch to something else and had no problems.

I have been using Mobil MX4T (MOBIL 1 RACING 4T) 10w40 for bikes since 2000. I can still get it for 8 bucks at AutoZone or Advance Auto. I have about 31/k on my 01 750. I have heard many good things about Amsoil, but I have not seen it cheaper than 12 or 13 bucks a quart. So until I can get it for the same price as the Mobil, I will be NOT be trying it. Is it 4 bucks a quart better than the Mobil?:headscrat:hmmm:

I have been using Mobil MX4T (MOBIL 1 RACING 4T) 10w40 for bikes since 2000. I can still get it for 8 bucks at AutoZone or Advance Auto. I have about 31/k on my 01 750. I have heard many good things about Amsoil, but I have not seen it cheaper than 12 or 13 bucks a quart. So until I can get it for the same price as the Mobil, I will be NOT be trying it. Is it 4 bucks a quart better than the Mobil?:headscrat:hmmm: I pay 7.14 a quart for Amsoil through a dealer. Its 8 bucks a quart at Oreilly Auto parts.

I have been using Mobil MX4T (MOBIL 1 RACING 4T) 10w40 for bikes since 2000. I can still get it for 8 bucks at AutoZone or Advance Auto. I have about 31/k on my 01 750. I have heard many good things about Amsoil, but I have not seen it cheaper than 12 or 13 bucks a quart. So until I can get it for the same price as the Mobil, I will be NOT be trying it. Is it 4 bucks a quart better than the Mobil?:headscrat:hmmm: I think it is that much better..... but $12-$13. seems a little high though, but even at that with being able to double your change interval if you use the AMSOIL filter, it still comes out less than the M 1 you are buying. You may want to check out a few of the Dealers that come up when you click on our banner ads... There are 20 some Dealers and most offer Specials.. Just refresh the page to come up with a different Dealer. ADG

I pay 7.14 a quart for Amsoil through a dealer. Its 8 bucks a quart at Oreilly Auto parts. Which Product Code is that for ? It is on the back of the bottle by the UPC Code

Which Product Code is that for ? It is on the back of the bottle by the UPC Code My bad. Its 7.29 a quart. Code is MCF-QT Good deal?

After 3 pages worth of gooble-D-gook acronyms that are best understood by chemists I'm proud to answer the poll question. I use Motul.

After 3 pages worth of gooble-D-gook acronyms that are best understood by chemists I'm proud to answer the poll question. I use Motul. Hmm... I looked back and most of what I saw were oil company names AMSOIL, Motul, Mobil Etc.. and then the actual Product that is used. Oh, BTW... you forgot to tell us which oil you use..

I use Belray EXP 10w-40 semi syn...what are peoples thoughts on this brand.

I picked up amsoil for the first time a couple days ago...cant wait to give it a shot...anyone in the central PA area, Koups Cycle Shop in Harrisburg is a Amsoil Dealer...38 bucks for a gallon, not bad.

I've been using Amsoil and Amsoil filters on my bikes for the last 7 yrs. My street bike is an 02 GSXR600 with 39,000 miles and I also put about 35 trackdays on her before getting a track/race bike. I've never had to have motor work or even replace the clutch yet. Both my R6 and GSXR750 race bikes are Amsoil all the way as well. I change the Amsoil out after every trackday/race weekend and the Amsoil filter every other trackday/race weekend.

So I'm finally running AMSoil in my bike, and I can tell a noticeable difference in the way my bike runs. The shifting is alot smoother.

Glad to see the AMSOIL Users on here. Please check out the AMSOIL Banners. We have many Dealers which rotate each time you visit. Many offer Specials to Forum members and it may be worth your time to check a few, or all of them out. Bob, ADG

just picked up some amsoil.. .hate snow in minnnesota, super excited to try your product... cant' find your guys' filter's, so i'm using OEM...

i wanted try Amsoil out for my next oil change which is coming up pretty quickly here. but when i went to the website to have the local dealers contact me no one got back to me :shifty luckly though Sedan Clad is somewhat close to me so he gave me the person who hooked him up so i will try giving that guy a call.

just picked up some amsoil.. .hate snow in minnnesota, super excited to try your product... cant' find your guys' filter's, so i'm using OEM... EAOM109

okay so i was talking with some buddies about this and of 3 that used amsoil 2 were negative reviews. i know this is a small sample but what i was told is enough for me 1. my buddy put amsoil in the bike and it crystalized and ruined the motor within weeks(non-trackday non-heavy usage). He had it checked for other issues(head gasket ect) and none were found. he called amsoil and they basically told him he was SOL. 2. second one said he ran it and didn't see any difference from regular suzuki sythetic. 3. Said he felt a decent improvement in shifting and a bit smoother reving and still uses it. now i dont know the long term effects on the motor and all that but i trust my friends so i doubt i will use it anytime soon. the blown motor was the one that really made the desision easy. now i am also not a huge believer in the idea that there is such a drastic difference between oils that any real difference can be seen other than at long term usage and complete engine breakdowns. If there was that much difference and one brand was that superior i am sure that it would be clear as day and everybody would unimously praise it(ie pitbull stands) to me it all boils down to a coke pepsi debate both are cola a bit different flavor but if you want some cola either will get the job done jsut fine oh and i am just running Suzuki Synthetic

okay so i was talking with some buddies about this and of 3 that used amsoil 2 were negative reviews. i know this is a small sample but what i was told is enough for me 1. my buddy put amsoil in the bike and it crystalized and ruined the motor within weeks(non-trackday non-heavy usage). He had it checked for other issues(head gasket ect) and none were found. he called amsoil and they basically told him he was SOL. 2. second one said he ran it and didn't see any difference from regular suzuki sythetic. 3. Said he felt a decent improvement in shifting and a bit smoother reving and still uses it. now i dont know the long term effects on the motor and all that but i trust my friends so i doubt i will use it anytime soon. the blown motor was the one that really made the desision easy. now i am also not a huge believer in the idea that there is such a drastic difference between oils that any real difference can be seen other than at long term usage and complete engine breakdowns. If there was that much difference and one brand was that superior i am sure that it would be clear as day and everybody would unimously praise it(ie pitbull stands) to me it all boils down to a coke pepsi debate both are cola a bit different flavor but if you want some cola either will get the job done jsut fine oh and i am just running Suzuki Synthetic Crystalization of oil ocurs when its mixed with water and ran for long periods. Are you saying the Amsoil was mixed with water:headscrat Not likely. There was an underlying problem. ie. (head gasket, condensation in the crankcase, ect.....)

Well, your first buddy is SOL as there is no oil anywhere that will "Crystalize" . At least not without some outside force acting on it such as an oil additive... Total BS 2nd guy... You don't always have a "Seat of The Pants" experience. Some people do. He may have a great tranny, so it probably isn't a Zuki, or he has a great shifting technique, or he switched from another Premium Synthetic. On the other extreme, some people don't pay enough attention to the shifting to notice a difference. Some people can even make a Gold Wing Tranny grind or clunk due to shifting technique. How does he know if wear rates were effected, Rust and Corrosion, clutch slippage, fuel mileage, HP.. Independent Industry Tests show that AMSOIL excels in all those categories. Bob S ADG

Crystalization of oil ocurs when its mixed with water and ran for long periods. Are you saying the Amsoil was mixed with water:headscrat Not likely. There was an underlying problem. ie. (head gasket, condensation in the crankcase, ect.....) like i said he had them do a complete tear down of the motor as head gasket was his 1st thought. The oil change was recent and had it been a building condesation or gasket issue it probably would have been seen when he drained it. And Bob i said in my post none of that had any evidence of what long term use was so you are arguing something i already said i was unsure of. And BTW do you have links to all the tests that show amsoil is the best?

like i said he had them do a complete tear down of the motor as head gasket was his 1st thought. The oil change was recent and had it been a building condesation or gasket issue it probably would have been seen when he drained it. And Bob i said in my post none of that had any evidence of what long term use was so you are arguing something i already said i was unsure of. And BTW do you have links to all the tests that show amsoil is the best? The link you requested is in out Signature below, the g2156. The tests were performed by Several of The Top Testing Facilities in the U.S. I am not arguing anything... I am stating a plain fact, a motor oil, Regardless of brand, will not "crystalize" on it's own. The problem was not the oil. Bob S

i'm not taking sides, but oil is oil, and oil doesn't crystalize. i'd look into if your first friend used any fuel/oil additives. 2nd put the amsoil in and must say that i can't wait to use it. get to ride next week to pick some tires up so i'll be looking forward to testing in some extreamly cold conditions... well not really looking forward to the cold part...

i'm not taking sides, but oil is oil, and oil doesn't crystalize. i'd look into if your first friend used any fuel/oil additives. 2nd put the amsoil in and must say that i can't wait to use it. get to ride next week to pick some tires up so i'll be looking forward to testing in some extreamly cold conditions... well not really looking forward to the cold part... I know what you mean, I live in Minnesota and the cold part SUCKS! But the Amsoil works well in cold. I run it in my ATV and vehicle and it is easy starting in the cold.

i'm not taking sides, but oil is oil, and oil doesn't crystalize. i'd look into if your first friend used any fuel/oil additives. nope no additives or anything and i know oil doesn't crystalize on its own. he thinks he got a bad batch or some that might have been sitting or whatever and got contaminated but who knows

Oil can virtually sit forever and not go bad. Where you want to watch is if it meets the Requirements (SG,SL, SM or whatever) in the vehicle you are putting it in. I suppose anything is possible, but highly unlikely that it was contaminated from the factory. I know it is too late now, but for future reference; An oil sample should have been pulled and sent in for analysis... No manufacturer would ever just write a check for anything without proof and someone calling up and saying "your oil blew my engine". Oil Analysis would possibly have shown what the root cause was, but if the oil comes back serviceable, you need to look somewhere else for the problem. Bob S ADG

Is there any problem with running Mobil 1 15-50 fully synthetic? The engine is an 03 750 being used in a microsprint. Thanks.

Is there any problem with running Mobil 1 15-50 fully synthetic? The engine is an 03 750 being used in a microsprint. Thanks. As long as it is MotorCycle Specific, there is no problem. Make sure it has the JASO Rating of MA or MA 2 on the bottle. Do not attempt to extend change intervals and use a Premium Filter... DO NOT use it if it is an automotive oil !!! FYI.... Fram and Super-Tech are NOT Premium Filters... Bob S ADG

rode 140 miles yesterday. no problems, shifts were smooth, oil level stayed consistant... engine temp was cool but it was 35 degrees out.... only gripe i have is i rode on a shit tread tire, and now the belt is showing, making things scary... i know i know safety but i had to ...

Raining here today and suppose to pour tomorrow so there won't be any riding here in TN. Bob S ADG

Getting ready to use 0W in a dragracing application, how log a service life do you recomend? Stock clutch set up, stock motor, stock filter?

No Recommendations are ever made for any Racing Application. Oil change intervals are by experience and/or oil analysis. Are you using AMSOIL ? Bob S ADG

This will be my first try with Amsoil 0W, it's in the bike now but havent run it yet... Heard good things, but was interested in a reasonable change ratio from experience. Not spraying and pretty much stock set up motorwise other than a oil pan baffle.

I am sorry, I cannot give you a recommendation. You have 2 negatives. You are Racing the bike and you are using an oil that is not approved for a motorcycle or wet clutch application. You would need to run an oil analysis on it. Bob S ADG

I am sorry, I cannot give you a recommendation. You have 2 negatives. You are Racing the bike and you are using an oil that is not approved for a motorcycle or wet clutch application. You would need to run an oil analysis on it. Bob S ADG What oil would you recomend?

You can either go with our MCF MotorCycle Specific 10W-40 or if you are looking for the lightest weight oil to gain a little HP, you can also use our Product Code ASE 10W-30/30. It is listed as a Small Engine Oil but, it does carry a JASO MA rating. The MCF carries a higher clutch rating of JASO MA 2. If you need a quote, take the time to Check out the different Dealers under our Banner Ads, We are all Independent and run our own Specials. Bob S ADG .

I've been using Amsoil and Amsoil filters on my bikes for the last 7 yrs. My street bike is an 02 GSXR600 with 39,000 miles and I also put about 35 trackdays on her before getting a track/race bike. I've never had to have motor work or even replace the clutch yet. Both my R6 and GSXR750 race bikes are Amsoil all the way as well. I change the Amsoil out after every trackday/race weekend and the Amsoil filter every other trackday/race weekend. Where do you purchase your oil and filters?

Where do you purchase your oil and filters? You can click on one of our Banner Ads here. Each time you refresh the page, a different Dealer will come up, there are about 21 Individual Dealers in our Group and each has their own Special for Forum Members. It may be worth your while to take the time to find a ealer you wnt to work with. Bob S ADG .

No doubt, the Mobil 4T oil is a very good oil. It would probably be in my top 2 choices if AMSOIL was not available. If you run the AMSOIL MCF or MCV and the AMSOIL EA Filter, you can double your oil change Interval even under Severe Service. Essentially cutting the cost in half while still providing Superior Lubrication. Ckick on the g2156 link below. These were tests performed by Several of The Top Testing Facilities in the US. Safe Riding ADG I dont really understand this, i clicked on the add link and viwed some of the oil tests/comparisons and Mobil one was always near the middle of all the tests, if there is other oils that out preform it ( according to the tests on the link) why would it be ur second choice? just curious Cu's i use it...

You need to look at page 23 and 24 for the Overall Rankings. I think you were just looking at one test.... Mobil came in 3rd for the 40 weight class behind AMSOIL and Motul and 2nd in the 50 weight class behind AMSOIL. My bike calls for a 50 weight. Bob S ADG .

You need to look at page 23 and 24 for the Overall Rankings. I think you were just looking at one test.... Mobil came in 3rd for the 40 weight class behind AMSOIL and Motul and 2nd in the 50 weight class behind AMSOIL. My bike calls for a 50 weight. Bob S ADG . ooo ic thanks

You are quite welcome. I hope that I was of help to you. Bob S ADG .

You are quite welcome. I hope that I was of help to you. Bob S ADG . yes u were thanks again,, so ive been useing the mx4t for about a year, if i switch to amsiol do i need to flush out the system cus i know a lot of oil is left behind in the motor

yes u were thanks again,, so ive been useing the mx4t for about a year, if i switch to amsiol do i need to flush out the system cus i know a lot of oil is left behind in the motor No need to flush as long as you are not having any problems, and it is also not recommended to use any type of flush due to the wet clutch. Bob S .ADG

You can either go with our MCF MotorCycle Specific 10W-40 or if you are looking for the lightest weight oil to gain a little HP, you can also use our Product Code ASE 10W-30/30. It is listed as a Small Engine Oil but, it does carry a JASO MA rating. The MCF carries a higher clutch rating of JASO MA 2. If you need a quote, take the time to Check out the different Dealers under our Banner Ads, We are all Independent and run our own Specials. Bob S ADG . Thanks, did I see talk of a filter ?

AMSOIL Filter for most Suzuki's with a Spin-On is EAOM-109. 15 Micron Absolute Efficiency Bob S ADG

mobil 1 is the only 1..... i use amzoil in my 3000gt transmission and also run it in all my compressors if that makes ya happy although.... other then that if it goes in the engine then its mobil1:thumbup: it cleans very well that and i thought the K&N gold had 15 micron too?

mobil 1 is the only 1..... i use amzoil in my 3000gt transmission and also run it in all my compressors if that makes ya happy although.... other then that if it goes in the engine then its mobil1:thumbup: it cleans very well that and i thought the K&N gold had 15 micron too? Yep, Mobil 1 is one of the best Imitators, it would be my #2 choice. That is, as long as it is the MotorCycle oil and Not their automotive oil. According to K&N, who I just talked to last week, 20 Micron. The problem I see with it is that they utilize Compressed Cellulose which may be the reason that the filters we have seen, cut apart, appear to be clean. Upholding previous information I had where it said that although the K&N Filters pretty good, it has little holding capacity. Bob S ADG

Amsoil all the way! Even in my POS 210,000 cavalier. I started running it in my cars because of the extended drain interval since I drive 30,000 miles a year. Was so impressed with the way it stayed clean with even 10,000 miles on it and how clear the inside areas I've seen of my motors. Then I started running it in my 98 CBR600 I had years ago. Seemed to make it operate cooler and the clutch took a beating. Now I've got money in my busa motor and don't trust anything else.

Amsoil all the way! Even in my POS 210,000 cavalier. I started running it in my cars because of the extended drain interval since I drive 30,000 miles a year. Was so impressed with the way it stayed clean with even 10,000 miles on it and how clear the inside areas I've seen of my motors. Then I started running it in my 98 CBR600 I had years ago. Seemed to make it operate cooler and the clutch took a beating. Now I've got money in my busa motor and don't trust anything else. I know exactly what you are saying.... Over 345,000 on my very abused work van... never any internal work done to it, not even injectors. Bob S. ADG

All these posts and no one's mentioned Torco... I'm just recently using Torco T-4ST motorcycle oil, in the 10w40 grade. I instantly noticed smoother shifts compared to dino oil. It was pricey though, at $12.95 per quart. Any thoughts on this oil? Goods, bads, in-betweens?

The Torco oil starts well in the SAE 40 range, but parrallels Royal Purple Shearing back well down in the SAE 30 Index in a 30 cycle test where oils such as AMSOIL, Bel-Ray and Golden-Spectro are still well within the SAE 40 Index even after 120 cycles. Then, if you look at average pricing, Initially the Torco is about 1 cent per ounce less than AMSOIL. Now, if you take into consideration that AMSOIL can go 2 times the OEM recommended drain interval, as long as you use the AMSOIL EA Series filter, you have effectively cut the cost of the oil in half, thereby making the Torco almost twice as expensive for an oil that is not as good. Click on the g2156 link in our Signature. Look at the individual tests and I think the Final scores are on page 23. Bob S ADG

Here you are again with your attempts. You have better success in the Ladies forum posting half nude pics of yourself or talking about your bimmer. Just don't instigate shit around here.:headshake Hmmmmm....I seem to remember you half naked in a chippendales uniform...oh wait...here it is...:funny: http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=52&page=14 My dealer put 20/50 wt in my bike as they recomend it for summer...unfortunately its 40 degrees and I'm still riding...do you think this could be an issue?

There is no real problem running a 50 wgt over a 40. Although, if you run a high quality 10W-40 Synthetic Motorcycle Specific oil, there is no need to run a 20W-50. You drag off a little HP, you get a little less fuel mileage and create a little more heat. Bob S. ADG

This is synthetic motorcycle specific oil btw...thanks for the info

i run amsoil

i run amsoil Let us know if we can help you. Bob S. ADG .

I feel the need to insult and attack other members, therefore my post got deleted.

It is obvious that you not only have no idea what you are talking about, but you have no idea of anything about me, AMSOIL, Mobil or for that matter, anything else in life. I feel sorry for you having to go through life being so bitter about things and people. Feeling the need to express useless ill-formed, made up facts about products, peoples thoughts and their choices in life. Making personal attacks on people that you know nothing about only makes you lesser of a person, BUT, I hope your Rant makes you feel better. Bob S.

Another closed oil thread is on the way.......:popcorn:

Unfortunately, it only takes one or two to ruin something that is meant for information and to help others. If he wants to search the Banner Ads, I am easy to find and he can email me personally for any future commentary. Bob S ADG

Unfortunately, it only takes one or two to ruin something that is meant for information and to help others. If he wants to search the Banner Ads, I am easy to find and he can email me personally for any future commentary. Bob S ADG :lol: Sounds like he or she had a bad night at the bar or their NCAA brackets are screwed.

A couple of points ... 1. You are all brand whores and This is completely uncalled for. Personal attacks like this will not be tolerated. I'll close the thread if I need to, but a lot of good information has been conveyed here and I don't want that to cease. From what I've seen, Bob has been unbiased in his recommendations, and he isn't hiding his affiliation to Amsoil.

Thanks Mister Tee I always look for a Win-Win Situation.. It has to be good for my customer and there also has to be some benefit for me. It is easy to sell someone one time, we want them to come back time after time. Personally, he can PM me or whatever he wants and I will give him my email, it doesn't bother me.. To me though, he was attacking everyone here with his name calling.. Totally uncalled for. Bob S ADG

i love it when someone calls someone a brand whore, when they obviously choose to BUY A MOTORCYCLES FROM A WELL KNOW BRAND NAME MANUFACTURE

I changed to Amsoil today shifting was smoother and i notice that the bike was ruuning cooler great oil, :thumbup:but i have to use the suzuki OEM filter didnot find the Amsoil filter !! Is that Ok??? :shifty:headscrat

I changed to Amsoil today shifting was smoother and i notice that the bike was ruuning cooler great oil, :thumbup:but i have to use the suzuki OEM filter didnot find the Amsoil filter !! Is that Ok??? :shifty:headscrat Where did you not find it? You probably wont find it from an auto parts store. You have to buy it from a dealer or order it. If you dont use the filter, it doesnt give the full longevity benefits.

Where did you not find it? You probably wont find it from an auto parts store. You have to buy it from a dealer or order it. If you dont use the filter, it doesnt give the full longevity benefits. I call some bike shops, i am from Puerto Rico and i am not sure if there is here a Amsoil dealer here will try to check again !!! or order by internet thanks!!

I found the amsoil filter, when should I change the oil again 3,000, 4,000 miles ??? :headscrat

If you are using AMSOIL Product Code MCF or MCV in conjunction with the AMSOIL EA Series Filter, you can go to 2 times the OEM Interval up to one year.. So if Suzuki calls for a 3000 change interval, you can go 7000. Bob S. ADG

Hmmmmm....I seem to remember you half naked in a chippendales uniform...oh wait...here it is...:funny: http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=52&page=14 My dealer put 20/50 wt in my bike as they recomend it for summer...unfortunately its 40 degrees and I'm still riding...do you think this could be an issue? Due diligence pays off! :thumbup: I changed to Amsoil today shifting was smoother and i notice that the bike was ruuning cooler great oil, :thumbup:but i have to use the suzuki OEM filter didnot find the Amsoil filter !! Is that Ok??? :shifty:headscrat I noticed smoother performance from my bike as well (..post-AMSoil). It is easy to sell someone one time, we want them to come back time after time. Bob S ADG +2 Your customer service was impeccable Bob. You've earned an AMSoil customer.

Due to the results of a lawsuit filed by Mobil against Castrol, Oils that use a Group III Base Stock, such as Castrol SynTech and Rotella are able to call themselves Synthetic. So they are not telling a lie, by the letter of the law. But, McDonalds says their Hamburgers are 100% Pure Beef too. AMSOIL, Motul 300V, and Mobil 1 MX4T, are Group IV and Group V Synthetics. Rotella's MSDS Maintains that it is 92-98.9% Petroleum.. Look for the MSDS on the site, they have made it very hard to find. ADG . Now thats funny right ther I dont car who you are

No Bel Ray? :headscrat

No Bel Ray? :headscrat Only you.... Check out the results in the g2156 link in our Signature. The Bel-Ray faired in the middle of the pack. Bob S. .

i run mobil synthetic

i run mobil synthetic Very good oil as long as it is the M/C Specific... Be sure to check out the g2156 link in out Signature.. Bob S. .

So at what point do you recommend changing to synthetic? My bike has a little over 1000miles on it. I've always heard that you should wait until the initial break-in period was over. Also, how will the oil affect a slipper clutch? Thanks, Tom

So at what point do you recommend changing to synthetic? My bike has a little over 1000miles on it. I've always heard that you should wait until the initial break-in period was over. Also, how will the oil affect a slipper clutch? Thanks, Tom Change at the 600 mile initial service or whenever after that.. There is no break-in period required on an engine. The initial recommended service interval is to get machining and casting debris out. By slipper clutch, I presume you are just referring to the wet clutch on the bike. Regardless of Brand, Synthetic or not, I ALWAYS Recommend using a MotorCycle Specific oil with a JASO Rating of MA, better yet, MA 2, but never MB.. If anyone tells you that there is no difference between automotive oil and M/C Specific oil, just politely smile and walk away... Me, I just plain tell them that they have no idea what they are talking about... Then I walk away... Bob S.

Thanks Bob. Your site recommends EAOM109 and EAOM109C for a filter. What is the difference in the two filters? Tom

Thanks Bob. Your site recommends EAOM109 and EAOM109C for a filter. What is the difference in the two filters? Tom 109C is a Chrome filter... Please, click on our banner ad for a Dealer in our group. You can view over 20 dealers there. A new dealer will come up each time you refresh this page. Take a little time and call a few toll free numbers to find a dealer you may like. Bob S. .

i use repsol because it makes me fast like nicky hayden no not really ive used amsoil in every bike ive had, this thread is funny:clap:

i work on bikes all day long ... yes some filters are better than others ... and some oils are better than others i have never seen and never will see one filter work better with one type of oil. thats like saying a shinko tire works best with a honda.... yea you say you can run 2 times as long with your oil, for me from a tech's point ...if the serv man says to change it every 3k i do it every 2500.... good clean oil is cheap ins.

I used Amsoil 10w-40 and OEM filters. I am using Honda GN4 oil and OEM filters for my first couple oil changes then I will switch back to amsoil. I have always heard you should break an engine in with dino oil. Is that correct?

I used Amsoil 10w-40 and OEM filters. I am using Honda GN4 oil and OEM filters for my first couple oil changes then I will switch back to amsoil. I have always heard you should break an engine in with dino oil. Is that correct? I would.

amsoil 20-50 full syn. and amsoil filter. i have used it in all my play toys, i would def recommend if you are running a high performance engine like a 450 dirt bike or quad. used it in my ltr450 and could definetly tell a difference in shifting. as for my bike i actually went and bought the oil and filter before i got the bike and changed oil the minute i took it out of the back of my truck so i cant say if there was a difference but man does my motor run and shift smooth.

Oil-religion threads are funny! :laughingr :clap:

Oil-religion threads are funny! :laughingr :clap: It's really no different than being loyal to a certain brand of motorcycles or automobiles. Electronics, Toothpaste, Condoms, Laundry detergent,.... Complete the list. :hmmm:

I used Amsoil 10w-40 and OEM filters. I have always heard you should break an engine in with dino oil. Is that correct? Nope, no need to... Old School Days..... like from 25 years ago.. I run to around the 600 mark and change.... Changed my Ultra over at 660.... 9600 now so getting ready for my Second Change. The 600 Service is to flush machining and casting debris from the engine... If it weren't for that, I'd tell you to change it before it left the dealership... Bob S. .

Whenever I winterize my bike, I always change the oil and I’ve never used synthetic on my bike. I’ve always been told that you need to put fresh oil in the bike during winter storage. So what if I switch to Amsoil and I go to winterize it and change the oil, would I have to use Amsoil for winter storage? I think it would be a huge waste of money if I did. Would it be ok to use cheap petroleum for storage and change back to Amsoil in the spring? Thanks.

Whenever I winterize my bike, I always change the oil and I’ve never used synthetic on my bike. I’ve always been told that you need to put fresh oil in the bike during winter storage. So what if I switch to Amsoil and I go to winterize it and change the oil, would I have to use Amsoil for winter storage? I think it would be a huge waste of money if I did. Would it be ok to use cheap petroleum for storage and change back to Amsoil in the spring? Thanks. When using a Petroleum oil, it is recommended to store on Fresh, unrun oil... When using AMSOIL MCF or MCV, it is not necessary to change oil for normal storage periods due to the high TBN of the oil. Bob S. .

That was fine 6 or 7 years ago, when that guy wrote it. Oils have changed in the last 6 or 7 months, much less 6 or 7 years. No different than with his oil filter tests that where, when I emailed with him a few times, he admitted there was no testing, just cutting them apart and visual inspection. With new additives that were not available just 3 years ago, specifically designed for M/C's, the reducing/removal of ZDDP from oils and New Friction Modifiers that are even being used in diesel oils, I will always recommend that no matter which Brand, Petroleum or Synthetic, that you use an oil with the JASO Rating of MA, better yet, MA 2, but never MB in a Street Bike. FYI... Rotella fully Synthetic is 92-98.9% Petroleum oil which can be found on the Shell website under their MSDS.... Not to much room for that "fully". I have over $25K in one of my bikes, I am not going to scrimp on an oil and filter. Even my old '86 got nothing but AMSOIL until the day I sold it. ADG . Rotella T synthetic has also changed recently.

Rotella T synthetic has also changed recently. It certainly has.... They no longer produce the CI-4 oils. Only the new CJ-4 Spec which has Friction Modifiers. Bob

Wow. This isnt a thread at all. Its a long"Whatever your using, what im selling is better" ad. :funny: I like the little cop scene. I use Suzuki oil is that good? I buy that because its there honestly but I don't really know the difference. Does the oil filter make a big difference? I use the OEM ones but does K&N make anything better?:headscrat

:funny: I like the little cop scene. I use Suzuki oil is that good? I buy that because its there honestly but I don't really know the difference. Does the oil filter make a big difference? I use the OEM ones but does K&N make anything better?:headscrat The K&N has a great micron rating at 20, but they do not have good particle retention. There is no comparison to the AMSOIL Filter which is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute, WIX which is 14 Micron Nominal and the Pure One is around 19. As far as how important a filter is...... 65% of wear, caused by dirt, is caused by particles in the 5-25 Micron Range. Now, think about a Fram filter which will range from about 36-42 Micron and the human eye can see to roughly 40 Micron. Oil, is the Life Blood of your engine. The oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean. Good isn't cheap Cheap isn't good Bob

so im in texas and it gets very F'N hot down here and i ride my bike hard very hard how is this amsoil in the heat i ride almost everyday olny time its parked is if ice or rain

so im in texas and it gets very F'N hot down here and i ride my bike hard very hard how is this amsoil in the heat i ride almost everyday olny time its parked is if ice or rain AMSOIL is great in the heat. I have seen oil temps of over 275 degrees on my Touring Bike and never gave it a second thought. Before changing to AMSOIL I saw the same 275 temp on the same ride (5 MPH for 11 miles on an air-cooled engine). At 660 miles, that oil was like tar.. With the AMSOIL, I went over 9000 miles after cooking the oil like that and Oil Analysis showed it was fine except for high Silica (Dirt) and elevated wear metals due to the Dealer installed K&N Air Filter. Subsequent analysis verified this. Send me an email with an approximate order and I will price it out for you. Good isn't cheap Cheap isn't good Bob

It certainly has.... They no longer produce the CI-4 oils. Only the new CJ-4 Spec which has Friction Modifiers. Bob Wrong. http://www.imakenews.com/rotella/e_article000373489.cfm?x=b11,0,w October 9, 2009? That's today They do in addition manufacture a CJ4 spec-ed Rotella T with a lower ash content, but this is a special product not sold where I buy my oil. So to answer the question you didn't ask, they make both CI4 and CJ4 Rotella T. Nanny-nanny-boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo. Smartass

Wrong. http://www.imakenews.com/rotella/e_article000373489.cfm?x=b11,0,w October 9, 2009? That's today They do in addition manufacture a CJ4 spec-ed Rotella T with a lower ash content, but this is a special product not sold where I buy my oil. So to answer the question you didn't ask, they make both CI4 and CJ4 Rotella T. Nanny-nanny-boo-boo, stick your head in doo-doo. Smartass That is the new CJ-4 oil that will exceed the CI-4 The CI-4 is NO LONGER a Stand Alone Product... This could be critical to all the Motorcycle Rotella users. You sound just like people that think an API SJ automatically supercedes an SG/SH or that GL-5 automatically supercedes GL-4 . I am sorry I did not spell it out exactly for you. I assumed that most people who would stick their 2 cents in on the subject would have known what I was saying. Evidently, and judging by your last line, where you show your age is about 12, you are not one of them. Bob

Evidently, and judging by your last line, where you show your age is about 12, you are not one of them. Bob Well we don't buy motorcycles because we're serious people. We buy them because we're are oversized kids. These are, after all, toys.

i love amsoil...