Road rage to the extreme - bikers beware

http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/Jeep-driver-39swerved-into-biker.3813161.jp Jeep driver swerved into biker before mallet attack' A JEEP driver deliberately swerved into a motorcyclist then hit him with a mallet as they sat at traffic lights, a court heard today. Bernard Doherty, 55, allegedly shouted: "I'm going to smash your bike up and then I'm going to run you over", before driving into Paul Wisdom's motorcycle. Edinburgh Sheriff Court was told Doherty sat laughing as the biker screamed in pain as his leg was trapped then swung the mallet at him, hitting his crash helmet. The incident is alleged to have taken place in Telford Road, Edinburgh, on August 10 last year. Doherty is accused of assaulting Mr Wisdom and his passenger Shaun Leonard by striking Mr Wisdom with a mallet and driving his car, described in court as a red Daihatsu jeep, into his motorcycle injuring the men to the danger of life. He is also accused of committing a breach of the peace by shouting and swearing and brandishing a mallet at the men, and swerving his car to prevent them overtaking him and driving into them knocking Mr Wisdom and Mr Leonard off the bike, injuring Mr Wisdom. Doherty, of Stenhouse Crescent, Edinburgh, denies the charges. The trial continues. The full article contains 204 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper. Last Updated: 25 February 2008 4:23 PM

scotland sounds like a great place to go biken :thumbup:

Who the hell carries a mallet around?:hammer:

Obviously a crazy scotsman in a jeep. That is kinda scary though.

It's a jeep thing... You wouldn't understand.

It's a jeep thing... You wouldn't understand. :laughingr:funny::laughingr mullet + mallet = roadrage

thats sad.. so the 2 guys coulda been fighting for there lives and hes sittin there hittin em with a fukin mallet?? god i wish i could a been there!

now i wonder if this "scotsman"woke up that morning with a hard on for bikers....i can't stand people that try to cut you off when you just want to go around them and go about your day...your not speeding your not stuntin...and the cagers want to kill you.......WTF.....and then once he is done running them over..he going to add insult to injury..he is going to beat them with a mallet...come on now...chick's dont digg mallet scars!!!!!

:funny: wow thats fucking ridiculous talk about road rage thats just insane

I don't mean to jack this thread, But a year ago I was riding in heavy traffic and some guy turned into my lane and almost hit me.....so I got in front of him, gave him the finger, and took off. Well, I wasn't paying attention and I heard tires skidding....so I looked back and that guys bumper was inches from my bike. The guy was chasing me and trying to knock me off my bike in heavy traffic. BE CAREFUL OUT THERE :thumbup:

I don't mean to jack this thread, But a year ago I was riding in heavy traffic and some guy turned into my lane and almost hit me.....so I got in front of him, gave him the finger, and took off. Well, I wasn't paying attention and I heard tires skidding....so I looked back and that guys bumper was inches from my bike. The guy was chasing me and trying to knock me off my bike in heavy traffic. BE CAREFUL OUT THERE :thumbup: you say you "took off" either he was driving that new zr1 or you were driving a honda.... please explain.... :lol: just giving you crap of course.

you say you "took off" either he was driving that new zr1 or you were driving a honda.... please explain.... :lol: just giving you crap of course. This wasn't on a major highway....well kinda (US route 30), It was a 4 lane through a town, heavily congested( day after Christmas ), speed limit was 45. I took off for like a 100 yards,and then resumed speed limit....at the time i had no rear view mirrors, so I had no idea I was being pursued. Never thought the guy would chase me either. Hope this clears up your question

This wasn't on a major highway....well kinda (US route 30), It was a 4 lane through a town, heavily congested( day after Christmas ), speed limit was 45. I took off for like a 100 yards,and then resumed speed limit....at the time i had no rear view mirrors, so I had no idea I was being pursued. Never thought the guy would chase me either. Hope this clears up your question you seriously need to start carrying large ball bearings which can be had at your local home depot.

you seriously need to start carrying large ball bearings which can be had at your local home depot. Or.... If someone is about to attack you just pull your pants down. I guarantee they will stop or not bother. It'll throw anyone off in any situation.

Or.... If someone is about to attack you just pull your pants down. I guarantee they will stop or not bother. It'll throw anyone off in any situation. :funny: i'll just take your word for it on that one...:laughingr

Either one will carry nicely with a Verticle Shoulder Holster under my Alpine Stars and Joe Rocket Jackets. Feel free to bring your mallets..:arsenal http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/MclarenFireBall/Desert%20Eagle/ChromeDesertEagle2.jpg http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd52/VoodooDaddy101/PICT0033.jpg

Who the hell carries a mallet around?:hammer: lol, same thought:thumbup:

now i wonder if this "scotsman"woke up that morning with a hard on for bikers....i can't stand people that try to cut you off when you just want to go around them and go about your day...your not speeding your not stuntin...and the cagers want to kill you.......WTF.....and then once he is done running them over..he going to add insult to injury..he is going to beat them with a mallet...come on now...chick's dont digg mallet scars!!!!! I remember a time when there were people who openly tried to take motorcycles out. In the late 70's i had a old man try to bump me off the highway. Looked right at me, smiling and dug his wheel to the right. he bumped me onto the gravel shoulder, i could not brake effectively, but he found his windshield on the receiving end of 6 feet of anchor chain(yea, we used chain for security back then to lock up bikes) slapped across his field of view at 80 miles per hour. I heard later that there was a accident on that part of the highway, and i did not wonder, nor did i care if he was injured. Tulsa. If anyone knows the area, it was on Darlington at about 24th st. by the elementary school there. long gentle slope down to 31st. I was at the top on my kz1000, she was an old lady at the bottom of the slope. Looking right at me, seemingly waiting for me to pass. Then she pulls out in front of me quickly and stops, still looking at me, not panicky like she just saw me, and oopsey sorry! She fucking stopped. Swerve, brakes, slide behind her into the curb at 40 miles per hour. Both legs broken, all my ribs on the left side, left arm in several places, hand, you get the picture. She pulls up a little and for a good 10 seconds she looks at me in her rear view mirror, looks around and fucking drives off. To this day i look for that face everywhere i go. I know shes dead now (this was in 1981) and i hope she resides in hell.

A couple years ago, I was about 1/2 mile from my house and not to any major roads yet. A guy pulled out in front of me with his bike strapped in the back of his truck. He was going pretty slow. I understood why and eased the throttle to pass him. I figured he'd understand my wanting to go faster, just as I understood him wanting to go slow. I entered a sweeping turn (25mph zone), at about 40mph. At the end of this turn was a stop sign. This idiot came screaming past me in the other lane, as I approached the stop sign. He had his brakes locked up, and was passing me. He pulled in front of me and I stopped just inches from his bumper. He then had both his shoulders out the window, yelling at me. I noticed that in the back of his truck (behind the driver seat) was a milk crate with a baseball bat sticking out of it. If I had said much, he could have gotten the bat and been to me before I could have turned the bike around. Remember, I was just a few inches from his bumper, so I couldn't just turn the handlebars and go. I'd have to back up first. All you guys that talk this "why would you need to carry a gun on a bike" crap need to keep incidents like these in mind. My life was in this idiot's hands. It was a feeling I didn't like at all. I now have a permit to carry a handgun. If in this situation again, I know I would be able to pull out a gun by the time he got out of the truck and grabbed the bat. :arsenal

Either one will carry nicely with a Verticle Shoulder Holster under my Alpine Stars and Joe Rocket Jackets. Feel free to bring your mallets..:arsenal http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/MclarenFireBall/Desert%20Eagle/ChromeDesertEagle2.jpg http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd52/VoodooDaddy101/PICT0033.jpg X2 whos gona win the fight him with the mallet or me with a .40 cal? CCW FTMFW:arsenal

Thats a Badass Desert Eagle!!!!!!!!!!!

These storys make me mad. Maybe I should start to carry my Glock 39.

Thats a Badass Desert Eagle!!!!!!!!!!! It is nice...I like hammerless for concealed carry though. I'll stick with my .40 Glock 23 loaded with the hollows.

I may have to start carryn when i ride. Titus

The bad thing about a shoulder holster is that when its hot and you want to take off your jacket, it leaves your gun exposed.

The bad thing about a shoulder holster is that when its hot and you want to take off your jacket, it leaves your gun exposed. That could be a deterent to prevent people from messin with ya. Someone starts to fuck with you in traffic and notices you have a gun they may think twice. :arsenal Titus

That could be a deterent to prevent people from messin with ya. Someone starts to fuck with you in traffic and notices you have a gun they may think twice. :arsenal Titus What I was thinking of was when you stop to go in somewhere and eat.. the gun just draws too much attention. I'd rather keep mine concealed.

Mine has saved me a time or two, funny how cagers like to fuck with ya untill you let your shirt fly up a bit. i carry my .40 in a Fobus holster.

What I was thinking of was when you stop to go in somewhere and eat.. the gun just draws too much attention. I'd rather keep mine concealed. I see where your comein from. You could lock it in the bike or have a different holster for time like that. Titus

any recommendations on a very light easy to conceal handgun? Cheaper the better, preferably not high maintenance either. I was in the army and qualified with the 9mm (among other weapons) so I do have some familiarity with handguns.

Wow, I wished they would have pinned the guy with attempted murder.

Wow, I wished they would have pinned the guy with attempted murder. I'm sure they would have if it had been a cop.

Holy crap. I just bought my brand new GSXR750 **yesterday**. It's freaky to read about this kinda stuff. Not to mention it REALLY pisses me off.

I was riding a couple sundays ago with about 14 other bikes like usual. We were going through some back country roads in KY when we came up on a big truck with an open trailer that had a bobcat in it. He was flinging up gravel and all sorts of shit on the road so we went to pass him and go on our way. When we tried to pass him, he would swerve into the other lane and swing the trailer at us. He almost hit 2 of my buddies when they tried to pass so we backed off a little and tried to figure out what the hell he was doing. So we would have someone try and pass on the left and he would swerve and then send someone up right to get around him. It took us about 25 min to pass this guy because it was on a curvy road that had blind turns. We finally passed him and pulled up to this stop light where everyone was waiting for the rest of the group. We all got off our bikes and ran up to this guys truck before he took off. He called the cops on us and they showed up. They just told us to slow down even though we weren't doing anything. I'm def going to carry now :arsenal, .45 cal. stupid haters. I want to mount my gun to my gas tank haha:thefinger sorry for the long story.

Obviously a crazy scotsman in a jeep. That is kinda scary though. He needs someone to show him his jeep fits up his ass! I wonder if I can strap my .308 rifle to my gixxer? Now that would be fun !

Fuck Scotland. And what the hell is a mallet? Dude, I use hammers not mallets.

I'd wait till afta the trial and run that mofo over with a semi truck, and then get my 350z and do a burn out on his face f piece of sh*t

lets all meet up at this guys house tomorrow around dark and make an example out of this guy.

It's a jeep thing... You wouldn't understand. Just an aside - I believe that they use the word "jeep" for what we in N. America call a truck or pickup. At least they do in Ireland, which is probably a similar vernacular for all practical purposes.

Either one will carry nicely with a Verticle Shoulder Holster under my Alpine Stars and Joe Rocket Jackets. Feel free to bring your mallets..:arsenal http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v420/MclarenFireBall/Desert%20Eagle/ChromeDesertEagle2.jpg http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd52/VoodooDaddy101/PICT0033.jpg in arizona you can carry a sidearm legally without any permit as long as it's visable so i roll down the road with a 1911 hanging off my side. however it didn't stop the lady that ran me over while talking on her cell phone. though she didn't bother to stop...perhaps due to the gun? probably good though, i would have shot her.

+1 to that desert eagle

Wow what a dick, at least it wasnt a real Jeep. I carry a S&W 9 most of the time, when Im not worried about hiding it I carry the Ruger P345. :)

That's just Crazy...

any recommendations on a very light easy to conceal handgun? Cheaper the better, preferably not high maintenance either. I was in the army and qualified with the 9mm (among other weapons) so I do have some familiarity with handguns. Ballistic test wise with ballistic gelitin a 380 with hollow points does the same as a 45acp round nose. It wont have the penetration for cars and such but eh it is a small made pistol. There are smaller varients of the 9mm .40 and 10mm. 40's and 45acp which everything but the 9mm have the knock down.... if you enter the .357 and .44 arena well.... knock down is just a part of the kill. There are snub noses of the two wheel guns. 3 of my favorite pistols are an older pre berlin wall down CZ75 made for combat then an HK4 and the 911. Well make that 4 of my many pistols make the favorites list by adding the model 66 combat .357. Remeber .357 kills no matter how big they are. It's best left for not having time to bs around in home defense and it will fly through walls big time. Be careful with the .380 and hollow points. Some .380 pistols will give a problem chambering the hollow points consistantly. The work around is finding a hollow point that has tips that don't jam up on the feed ramp. Enough guns. Just make sure you have a 1000 that will pass faster than they can swerve.

+100 to carrying while riding. Unless on a super aggressive ride, I keep a Glock 30 concealed at all times. Vegas is a terrible place for road rage, and brainless drivers. There was a lady in a "Smart" car today driving with her knee while doing her makeup, talking on the phone, and eating all simultaneously. Made me wonder how "Smart" the owners of these cars are. :headscrat Speed safe out there ppl!

The moral of the story shouldn't be start carrying a gun... It should be stop riding with another dude on your bike.

any recommendations on a very light easy to conceal handgun? Cheaper the better, preferably not high maintenance either. I was in the army and qualified with the 9mm (among other weapons) so I do have some familiarity with handguns. Check out the Glock website, they have a compact 9mm which is obviosly light due to its composite material and very simple to conceal. :thumbup:

he prob hit him cuz he was riding another dude

definitely ran into him cause the male excess

i had a some jackass in a pickup truck try to knock me down last summer just because he was stuck in traffic on the l.i.e.(a big expressway) and i was gonna pass him by riding the white line. he yanked his drivers side front wheel at me as i passed but i was too quick!! i wouldnt pull my pistol for that(too much aggravation!!) but i now carry those big steel bearings in my pocket for just such an occasion. every year i see more crap toward bikers from cagers...its sad :headshake

just a few weeks ago i had some ppl in a corolla throw all kinds of stuff out the window at me on the way home, a gun easily is the quickest deterrent to idiots like this.

Was riding on just rained on road, my wife on the back. *important informantion - I have a HORRIBLE temper when people jack with me. I fully disclose I have "short guy syndrome" where people have fucked with me and fucked with me until now I bow up like a rooster in situations where it probably isn't needed. I normally carry a Glock model 23 .40. I have never pulled and pointed it, never needed to. Yet. So on the wet road, I am running 5 over the limit of 45. A Toyota comes up behind us, 3 or 4 kids in it, gets 3" off my rear tire and starts honking the horn. Surprisingly, I for once keep my cool. I pat my wife's leg twice, our signal for "ok" and maintain speed. The Toyota keeps up the honking and revving the motor for another mile or so, when they pass me on a double white line section of the road, flipping me off as they pass. Right in front of the local hospital. Right where a cop is sitting. 10 seconds later the cop BLOWS past me with his foot to the floor, and a mile or so up the road my wife and I get to cruise right past the kids, now pulled to the curb, cop already searching the car. We smile and continue on to dinner ... :bounce I'm really glad my wife was with me, that was the ONLY reason that night didn't turn out really really ugly, with ME probably going to jail instead of THEM.

Dont forget to get your consealed weapons permit i would hate to see you guys lose your handguns.

f'ed up.

when i turn 21 this december one of the first things im doing is buying a desert eagle.

now i wonder if this "scotsman"woke up that morning with a hard on for bikers....i can't stand people that try to cut you off when you just want to go around them and go about your day...your not speeding your not stuntin...and the cagers want to kill you.......WTF.....and then once he is done running them over..he going to add insult to injury..he is going to beat them with a mallet...come on now...chick's dont digg mallet scars!!!!! People do that because alot of bikers dont do anything except give the driver a bad look. Like thats going to do anything. Everytime somebody cuts me off on purpose, I bust their mirror out, or take a knife or any sharp object and put a big ass scratch down the side of their car. If bikers would start being more harsh to stupid fuckers like that then we wouldnt have this problem. people would start being scared of what the reaction a biker will take if they fuck with us. BE AGGRESIVE ON THE STREET, TAKE CHARGE!! ITS THE ONLY WAY WE WILL SURVIVE.

Yea..who carriers a mallot for such occasions. lol

Who the hell carries a mallet around?:hammer: i carry one in my tool box...and i drive a jeep...

when i turn 21 this december one of the first things im doing is buying a desert eagle. I turn 21 the 30th of this month! and ironikally theres a gun show that same weekend down here :thumbup::D:bounce

It wasn't a mallet, it was his shillelagh!! On a serious note, we have it easy as bikers nowadays. But, as with everything else, things go in cycles. Just look at those tight-ankled pants that are back, which didn't even look good in 1984, if you don't think things go in cycles. My grandfather, in his younger day, rode Indians and Harleys with his brothers. My dad cut his teeth on a Triumph Tiger. The difference is people's attitudes. In the 50's guys on motorcycles were just that. Having a good time, and noone messed with them. My dad, however, remembers it differently in the 60's and 70's. Beer bottles thrown from cars at their heads, getting run off the road, etc etc. Somewhere in there people got a hate-on for two wheels. The sad thing is, right now bikers just came off a golden age. Let's face it, ever jackoff banker and tax accountant has a Harley now. ((A side note, I'd like to thank Harley for the further pussification of the american male by catering to these worthless shits). People are getting tired of bikes again. And, since our bikes are generally stereotyped to younger crowds, they're going to start with us.

scotland has good beer right? maybe too delicious for their own good. :hmmm:

It is nice...I like hammerless for concealed carry though. I'll stick with my .40 Glock 23 loaded with the hollows. Thats the same shit I carry love it badass for conceal carry, I also carry the hollows.

Thats the same shit I carry love it badass for conceal carry, I also carry the hollows. are hollow tips legal? isn't that a deadly ass bullet? lol just asking out of curiousity. hollows mean business. not that any other bullet doesnt' but jeez. :arsenal

are hollow tips legal? isn't that a deadly ass bullet? lol just asking out of curiousity. hollows mean business. not that any other bullet doesnt' but jeez. :arsenal Hollow points are better because if you do have to use deadly force they stay inside of that person, where full metal jackets can go through them and hit the next innocent person. You definitely don't want that happening.

this is excatly the reason i dont forget to carry. glock 23 loaded with black talons! but i do have to say one thing the cops in my area are bike friendly in these types of situations. oh i like the glocks to carry on the bike because they have the drop safety pin in them so god forbid if u go down it wont fire! and in my left jacket pocket i have i think either 3in. or 4in steel ball bearings. and very hard plastic on the knuckles of my gloves that i have used to bust windows and mirriors. i have something for every situations but stil need to find the metal jacks to file down to blow tires and im good!

i thinks that's not good for them an a biker. its really very bad.

It's a jeep thing... You wouldn't understand. OMG that's perfect. :laughingr

Hollow points are better because if you do have to use deadly force they stay inside of that person, where full metal jackets can go through them and hit the next innocent person. You definitely don't want that happening. Rueger Super Blackhawk with hollow points is to hard to stick in my tank bag how sad. 44 mag.(hollow points)+arm=no more arm

crazy people

wtf that guy should get his a$$ kicked

I hate when ass holes come haling ass on u when ur just rideing. I flip them off

carrying on while riding reminds me of the wild west lol I want to get a 45 or 44 for about a year now. Maby one day when I have some extra money.

wow thats crazy...well i can tell you stuff like that usually doesnt happen here in good ol Georgia...because most people have guns lol and are a bit wild

Glock 45 model 21. extended mag. thats all i got to say on that. anyway this dude was lucky i didnt carry it that day. getting back to people trying to kill bikers.... i was riding one day (local roads) guy on the lane next to me (to the right) cuts me the fuck off trying to make a left turn like i wasnt even there. needless to say i surve my bike it dumps i slide bike hits a curb and a pole i have road rash all up my arm bike all right side fairings are cracked/scrapped and this dude stopped for 2 seconds and keeps going about his day. lucky for him i havent seen him or his car since.

The Mad Max lifstyle is closer than I thought!! I'd be terrified riding in the States knowing that half the other road users could be packin!! I mean accidents happen and the first reaction when someone hits you or your vehicle is anger. "What the f*ck were you doing?" you shout and they reply "You were f*ckin speeding you asshole!" Coming to punches is one thing, but pullin your guns out in anger and everyone shooting each other......Not my idea of a nice rideout! I'll stick with my snub nosed hammer and my sawn off mallet thanks very much!! lol :lol:

if it turns into mad max imma have to park the bike and rock some deathrace lookin vehicle

I don't mean to jack this thread, But a year ago I was riding in heavy traffic and some guy turned into my lane and almost hit me.....so I got in front of him, gave him the finger, and took off. Well, I wasn't paying attention and I heard tires skidding....so I looked back and that guys bumper was inches from my bike. The guy was chasing me and trying to knock me off my bike in heavy traffic. BE CAREFUL OUT THERE :thumbup: unfortunately it's gotten to the point where it's not even worth standing up for yourself on the road. How'd you shake him?