i have to b the worst at cluthcin in 1st

GSXR01RS96
08-08-2005, 09:11 AM
i have a 01 gixxa 6 and i cannot clutch in first to save my life...i know its not my bike cuz ive seen every1 do it on it but me....ive read all of the posts on how people do it and i still am in the dark...i am gettin pissed at myself cuz i suck so much at doin it...i just cant get the front wheel off the ground :2hard do u just pop the clutch out or slip it...so u bring the rpms to a certin rpm and let out the clutch or do u bounce the rpms around a certain rpm and then let it out...i dont know i just suck at life i guess...some1 help me please lol

slack0Yd
08-08-2005, 10:33 AM
Make it easy ... get going about 15 mph, dip the clutch with the first finger, rev it to say 5000 rpm, and dump it (keep the gas were its at). If the front end just hops, go to 6000 rpm. And so on. It will lift the front end. Then play with whatever slip/gas combo works for ya. That should get ya going .... hope it helps.

slack0Yd
08-08-2005, 10:50 AM
Could be fear too. Do you have luck at powering them up? Or what I started out doing was throttle on/off/on ... got me used to the feel of it. You might be dropping the throttle or leaning forward right away. The mind has a way of protecting the body when it gets worried. And wheelies seem to give the noggin plenty to worry about. At least mine did. Clutching them up can be really fast when the wheel starts to lift. Throttle on/off/on seemed more in control to me when I started trying to wreck my bike. I worked into clutching later. I'm no expert tho, and be safe ...

Motojoe_23
08-08-2005, 11:11 AM
when I clutch up a wheelie, the movement of the clutch is almost identical as to shifting gears, only I dont let out the throttle, and it MIGHT be a tad slower than shifting in certain gears. If your doing it right your throttle hand does not move until AFTER you let go of the clutch, and then you start pouring it on to get it the rest of the way up........ or that is the way i have always done. And if you hit it JUST right you dont even have to do that, the clutch will bring it straight to BP without throttling the rest of the way up.

bigjimbo
08-08-2005, 11:44 AM
rev her to 13k...then dump her! jk..takes practice, keep trying!

KmansK5
08-08-2005, 12:28 PM
Here's a hint, don't do it. Try to clutch up 2nd. First is too violent in my opinoin. Second is alot better, 3rd if you have skills is the best though.

wickmaster
08-08-2005, 02:15 PM
Here's a hint, don't do it. Try to clutch up 2nd. First is too violent in my opinoin. Second is alot better, 3rd if you have skills is the best though. On a 1K yes. Not on a 600. Just keep trying. Sounds like you are just a little nervous. When you are ready it will happen almost automatically. Just take your time in learning. :thumbup:

Jared
08-08-2005, 04:49 PM
I didnt bother reading all the other responses, so this might have been said already. but heres what I did on my 600 (but it was a ninja, I KNOW, I KNOW, I SOLD IT DONT WORRY). Get rollin about 20-25, pull in the clutch with one finger, Rev to about 12k and let 'er out. dont slip it out, I just let it go. It'll come up kinda fast, but dont freak, just do little hops at first. I kinda liked how it would come up alot quicker, just BAM and its up, not power wheelieing and yanking on it. Oh and Im a bigger guy, I had to make sure to scooch all the way back on the seat. You dont want to use your body weight to push the front tire back down again. Get your butt as far back and over the rear wheel as you can and it'll make a big difference. - Jared -

KmansK5
08-08-2005, 06:07 PM
On a 1K yes. Not on a 600. Not sure what that means but what I said originally is more true for a 600 than a 1000, not sure if that's what you meant or not. I had an R6 right before my K5 and it was twichy as hell in first! my K5 on the other hand is alot more forgiving in 1st, there's more gear to play with. On my '02 R6 I always wheelied/clutched it up in 2nd, it's easier, safer and you can keep it up alot longer. just my 2 cents

Motojoe_23
08-08-2005, 07:49 PM
to a noob first is too twitchy on ANY bike. i actually recommend to alot of people (as crazy as it sounds) to try second or even THRID first as the throttle response is slowed WAY down, and a 1/4 turn of the throttle yeilds WAY less power and response so you dont have to worry about throttle hand control as bad.

gixxer2000
08-08-2005, 09:27 PM
i gotta get lucly as hell to bring my 600 up in 2nd... granted i havent been trying to long. but stilll i can only get it off about 6 inches everytime. i think 2nd is harder for beginners..

Jared
08-09-2005, 02:39 AM
to a noob first is too twitchy on ANY bike. i actually recommend to alot of people (as crazy as it sounds) to try second or even THRID first as the throttle response is slowed WAY down, and a 1/4 turn of the throttle yeilds WAY less power and response so you dont have to worry about throttle hand control as bad. Yeah, try 'em in second. dont wanna loop it and all. - Jared -

KmansK5
08-09-2005, 05:46 AM
i gotta get lucly as hell to bring my 600 up in 2nd... granted i havent been trying to long. but stilll i can only get it off about 6 inches everytime. i think 2nd is harder for beginners.. Your bike is more than capable of doing 2nd gear wheelies even with stock gearing. Just keep trying and you'll get them. You do really have to give it some to rip it up quick in 2nd on a 600 though. Take baby steps that's all, no need to go out and flip that bitch like I did. I still say stay away from 1st gear it's too throttle responsive, if you're just learning.

SarasotaGSXR
08-09-2005, 07:57 AM
^^^Absolutely true, your bike will clutch in 2nd & 3rd no problem, u do have to be alot more aggressive with it tho, slip the clutch harder and give more power, personally I pretty much dump it at 13-14K in 2nd at around 35mph, wouldn't recommend this 4 u just yet as it jumps pretty close to bp, practice, practice, practice, alot depends on rider position (weight distribution) when u get into the higher gears on a 6 but youll see a huge inprovement in dstance, even without reachin bp If I were u I would start clutchin at around 10g and go from there, once u got it comin up around 2 feet start rollin on a little gas, that should give ya a good feel for 2nd before u strat tryin to clutch to bp

gixxer2000
08-09-2005, 09:22 AM
alright... ill start doing it that way... i pretty much just said the hell with how im doing it... You guys know more then I do... so ill take your word for it.. Thanks

modidy2
08-09-2005, 09:24 AM
I didn't notice anyone tell him to cover the rear brake :hmmm: and that is one of the most important things when practicing the wheelies :thumbup: But as for which gear is best, a lot of people don't think 1st gear is good to learn in, but I disagree. I do so for one simple reason "engine braking" :clap: In 1st gear you have the most engine braking and it will save you in most cases just by letting off the throttle. In 2nd and third gear, there is still engine braking, but not as much. For that reason, I would recommend him using 1st until he is able to keep it in that balance point. If you feel like you are going to high, tap the rear brake, it will bring the bike back down... well unless you hear the tail dragging, then prayer may be the only answer :bowdown: then you may be :2hard

GSXR01RS96
08-09-2005, 01:42 PM
well after a couple hours of just tryin to do it i can bring it up in first but not for long...just comes up and ive been usin what motojoe said....how the clutch movment its kinda like shiftin gears...i rev it to around 8g and pop it and the front wheel comes off higher than if i powered it up...and for 2nd i reved it to around 10g and it came off a lil but not much...so im just sayin thanks to ur imput and hopefully ill b able to ride them out soon....but im always open to more suggestions

wickmaster
08-09-2005, 04:47 PM
Try to scoot alittle farther back in the seat.

Motojoe_23
08-10-2005, 09:55 AM
I didnt tell him to cover the rear brake....... mainly because it is useless to tell a newb that. MOST people will panic so bad that they will FREEZE and not hit the brake anyway. how many of you have every actually NEEDED the rear brake? Few i would bet. I have only NEEDED it ONCE, and that was first learnign to go REAL slow, and almost 12'd my bike. Even my 600 in 3rd gear at 80mph has enough engine braking to bring it back from a good bit PAST balance point.

ZgixxeR
08-10-2005, 10:19 AM
I didnt tell him to cover the rear brake....... mainly because it is useless to tell a newb that. MOST people will panic so bad that they will FREEZE and not hit the brake anyway. how many of you have every actually NEEDED the rear brake? Few i would bet. I have only NEEDED it ONCE, and that was first learnign to go REAL slow, and almost 12'd my bike. Even my 600 in 3rd gear at 80mph has enough engine braking to bring it back from a good bit PAST balance point. Covering the rear brake is not necessary unless you are doing slow wheelies. Just like Joe said the engine braking will bring the bike back down very quickly. I have only used the rear brake once or twice and really only to see if I could. I have had my shield hit me in the chest in second and all I did was drop the throttle. It hit hard but it was better than looping it.

04gixxer6
08-10-2005, 10:56 AM
Don't even bother with the clutch. You should be able to power up the front much easier and safer. Sit back in the seat and take it up to 7 or 8000 rpm, let off the gas and then crack the gas open. The front should come right up. The farther back you sit in the seat the easier it is to bring it up. You should be able to throttle and bounce it up in second too. :thumbup:

GSXR01RS96
08-10-2005, 11:05 AM
motojoe...love the quote from van zant in ur sig...and i can bring it up in first by powerin it but i want to b able to bring it up b4 i hit 7-8g plus i want to b able to ride them out longer and it seems like if i clutch it i can

Motojoe_23
08-10-2005, 07:03 PM
motojoe...love the quote from van zant in ur sig...and i can bring it up in first by powerin it but i want to b able to bring it up b4 i hit 7-8g plus i want to b able to ride them out longer and it seems like if i clutch it i can WHO? Andre Gide is the original one....... unless you speak of living behind bars

GSXR01RS96
08-11-2005, 08:23 PM
well van zant are brothers...1 is the singer from lynyrd skynyrd and .38 special....they have a song that they say that exact line