State Police Searching For Motorcycle Involved in Pursuit/Fatal Trooper Crash

[Psygnosis]

I came across this on another forum. After reading it I thought of CNY750Rider. I hope he's in San Diego and not involved.

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[Lyte-]

he was supose to be in tustin.... he was a no show for the BBQ tho

[Leonwho]

If the motorcycle was speeding 100 miles an hour ... in the other direction, and the trooper crashed two minutes into the chase, I highly doubt the motorcyclist even realized he was being chased.
I can imagine him being far far away by the time the trooper began the chase.

How did the trooper manage to crash?

[Mrwhipels600]

it is totally the cops fault. I live in the area. The cop lost controll he tried to chase a cycle in an suv how dumb can u be. Don't those things top out at 95 mph how would he expect to catch him if he is already going 100 plus the suv isn't meant for high speeds. This is just the cops tryin to make them look good by blaming the biker for the cop being a dumbass. Plus now cops are really going to have it in for us bikers in the area.

[Mrwhipels600]

the cop was probablly drunk too

[Lyte-]

that kid just better make sure he gets a really good lawyer.... and he should be cleared of the manslaughter charges... cause like someone said if he passed the cop and the cop crashed with in 2 minutes he wouldn't have seen the cop or crash

[v8killer4life]

One thing that totally blows my mind is you hear the DA pull the "public safetey" card, but in the end, look what happens. I mean ya, he could say the officer was doing his job...but a speeding suv is IMO at least 10 times more dangerous. Say the bike rear ends a car at 100 mph...the biker dies, unfortunate but his/her fualt nontheless...now an suv going "100 mph" rear ends that same car...the driver of the suv may live, but think about that car! Same situtation goes, the bike loses control and hits a house...rider/bike likely go into the house...suv knocks the house down...Just simple physics. IMHO high speed persuits should be illegal...like the last time I was arrested, I was cuffed in the back seat and in a 45 mph zone, the cop was hitting about 85 mph...no seatbelt (either of us) lights and sirens off... how does that even seem that he is "serving and protecting"? I didn't hurt anyone in the process of being arrested, but he could have easily lost control and killed at least the two of us just becuase he thought he was showing off his muy grande cojones...some people ride the fine line of hypocracy, and IMHO police in my hometown are on the razors edge...another example, a friend of mine was speeding and a cop going the other way spotted him and in a 3 lane road managed to drive off into someones yard, do a donut (no pun intended) and when my friend got pulled over he was charged with the damage the officer had caused under the fact that if he wouldn't have been speeding, none of it would have happened. That is pure ignorance. All in all, if the biker wanted to take the chance of hurting himself and/or others thats his choice but chasing in an suv,as stated above, is just ignorance. Sorry about my puncuation, I'm real tired and that kinda hit a touchy chord with me

:UPDATE: I actually just emailed that news channel about my veiws on the situation...the immaturity of the situation just blows me away...the DA is name calling AND finger pointing in my humble opinoin..errr

[05Gsx-R750]

I feel bad for the troopers family but the charges against him are a bit over the top (IMO). Like someone else said at that speed the trooper had no chance of catching him in a car let alone a top heavy SUV. The guy most likely never saw him and didnt know he was chasing him. Like I said my prayers go out th the troopers family but this is not the fault of the guy on the bike!!!!!!!!!!

[CNY750Rider]

No, this was not me guys. I have two kids and wife - I would never think of running from the police what-so-ever. I also figure, if your going to play...you should be prepared to pay.

I simply visit that site & post pictures. It's a guilty by association thing and what some did or say on the site, I don't not agree with. In regards to all the threads about the trooper, here is what I posted:

Posted 25 April 2006 09:52 AM
Ok guys, all this negative feedback is NOT going to help. Actually, it’s starting to annoy me, especially the extra drama where people say they are going to run now. WTF, how do you see that helping the sport….it will only make matters worst! Think about, say you decide to run and the same thing happens….could you live with that? I know I couldn’t.

If I was the guy involved, I would seek council and step forward. Why, I couldn’t live with my conscience. Also, I know my actions would be impacting other riders as it has already begun. The Trooper was wrong by chasing; he paid the ultimate price & died. Now this rider needs to own up to his actions as well. Sorry, hate me if you want but that is how I feel.

All of the increased nonsense back & forth - that has happened recently is total crap but until this biker steps forward or is caught….it’s going to be a living hell. I’m sure the Trooper’s are seeking closure for his wife & family. We would do the same for our fellow biker. I know you guys are going to jump all over me for saying how I feel but I’m putting my thoughts out there ....all this arguing & defiance is not going to help though……..

I’m sad to say that I feel like I’m labeled as some kind of jerk because I ride a sport bike.
Posts: 1155 | Registered: 09 August 2005

[CNY750Rider]

Originally Posted by Lyte-

he was supose to be in tustin.... he was a no show for the BBQ tho

Sorry Lyte. Did it go well tho? Did you guys end up taking a ride too?

[stackle2]

I say that the Trooper was being a Nazi cocksucker, he was obviously a moron, SUV't CAN"T FUCKING CATCH BIKES...and according to Mr. Darwin, the Trooper got what was comming to him...

[Kilez]

I have to agree w/ CNY750rider. I have an 06 1000. I love it! My first sport bike. I love the power and speed. I also know that everytime I twist the throttle past the posted limits, there is the chance of major consequences. None of us are above the law. Yes, it was stupid and showed poor judgement for the cop to pursue in his SUV, but that doesn't give any of us, myself included, the right to put others in danger. The cop hit a tree in what appears to be a rural area (at least from the pics from article #1). What if a kid or an elderly person was crossing a the road ahead and the rider went down, is it then that person's fault? Few people "deserve to die", especially when they were doing their job, regardless of occupation. Cops are leary of motorcylists because of guys like that. If you don't like it, save that speed for teh track, and ride a little more respectable and change their opinions for the rest of us.... (Can you be banned from a site for having an unpopular opinion?)

[BallHawk3]

I agree with a lot of the comments here. Good valid points.

But this has happened a couple of times. Most likely that rider will be charged with manslaughter.

I think its kinda BS, but u can argue it both ways.

[Engloid]

I agree that it was the cop's fault. Nobody forced him to drive beyond the his abilities or that of his vehicle. Sure, the motorcycle was speeding, but as posted, the suv traveling at high speed poses a much greater risk to uninvolved parties.

By the fucked up logic that the cops use when charging people, if I have bad tags, a cop tries to pull me over, I run and wreck, I should be able to sue the cops for MAKING me run and drive beyond my abilities and/or the abilities of my vehicle.

Who ever said you had to be smart to be a cop anyway?

[BallHawk3]

Originally Posted by Engloid

I agree that it was the cop's fault. Nobody forced him to drive beyond the his abilities or that of his vehicle. Sure, the motorcycle was speeding, but as posted, the suv traveling at high speed poses a much greater risk to uninvolved parties.

By the fucked up logic that the cops use when charging people, if I have bad tags, a cop tries to pull me over, I run and wreck, I should be able to sue the cops for MAKING me run and drive beyond my abilities and/or the abilities of my vehicle.

Who ever said you had to be smart to be a cop anyway?

no u can't sue the cops. The fact is cause you ran, it is the felony, the cops have a right to run after you. Your breaking the law in every single way.

[Engloid]

Originally Posted by BallHawk3

no u can't sue the cops. The fact is cause you ran, it is the felony, the cops have a right to run after you. Your breaking the law in every single way.

I guess you missed the words BY THEIR LOGIC.

Laws are supposed to be based on logic and safety. Obviously, it doesn't always work out that a cop is that concerned about safety. If this one was, he'd have not chased at such a speed...giving the guy reason to ride even more recklessly.

Also, in many areas, they are not allowed to go more than 20mph over the limit for any reason at all.

What if this cop had run over somebody while chasing? Should he be charged with manslaughter, or is it ok since he's a cop?... or would they charge the rider with manslaughter because the cop screwed up? That's what they're doing in this case. The cop fucked up and the rider gets the blame for it.

[BallHawk3]

Originally Posted by Engloid

I guess you missed the words BY THEIR LOGIC.

Laws are supposed to be based on logic and safety. Obviously, it doesn't always work out that a cop is that concerned about safety. If this one was, he'd have not chased at such a speed...giving the guy reason to ride even more recklessly.

Also, in many areas, they are not allowed to go more than 20mph over the limit for any reason at all.

you can argue it both ways. But put yourself on the other side of the fence.

What if u were the cop. If some guy runs from you cause he failed to pull over would u case him? What if the guy just killed someone, kill a woman and a kid, would you still case him?

Or if the guy runs, you dont case him, he then later down the line blows through a store and takes out a few people. Who would be blame?

I mean how do you determine if u should case the guy or not? Does it matter by the crime he did? I mean once u run, its a felony, no matter what you did before that.

But as for people running, I'm sorry but it is completely stupid. I don't blame the cops many times for beating down some guy for running he fucking deserve it. But it this way, in school, if some fucker did some fucked up shit to you, and then ran from you, you would beat his ass down even harder. This is a fucking cop and your trying to run?

I think i just opened up a can of worms. Oh well.

[Engloid]

Originally Posted by BallHawk3

What if u were the cop. If some guy runs from you cause he failed to pull over would u case him? What if the guy just killed someone, kill a woman and a kid, would you still case him?

I'm not sure, but that doesn't make it right. Fact is that the cop is supposed to be a trained professional. He should be able to control his actions. It's like asking me if I'd run if I was the biker. Even if I said yes, it wouldn't make it right.

Originally Posted by BallHawk3

Or if the guy runs, you dont case him, he then later down the line blows through a store and takes out a few people. Who would be blame?

The motorcyclist would...not the cop. A cop simply cannot prevent or stop all crime, and is therefore not responsible for its occurrance.

Originally Posted by BallHawk3

I mean how do you determine if u should case the guy or not?

I really don't know what criteria should be considered...but I'm not a trained officer either.

As you can see, I really think that a police officer is a trained professional and should therefore act like it by making decisions accordingly. I'm sure that cops aren't trained to chase somebody and drive beyond their abilities.

[CNY750Rider]

Bottom line....if the biker didn't run, this ACCIDENT (whether or not the trooper made a good or bad decision) would have NOT happened. Period.

When I go out riding, I have never once thought about the fact that my actions could cause harm to others. The recent events that have taken place have really made me think about how I ride on the street and who I surround myself with.....remember that next time you go out because this story could be about any one of us.....

[stackle2]

Originally Posted by Kilez

I have to agree w/ CNY750rider. I have an 06 1000. I love it! My first sport bike. I love the power and speed. I also know that everytime I twist the throttle past the posted limits, there is the chance of major consequences. None of us are above the law. Yes, it was stupid and showed poor judgement for the cop to pursue in his SUV, but that doesn't give any of us, myself included, the right to put others in danger. The cop hit a tree in what appears to be a rural area (at least from the pics from article #1). What if a kid or an elderly person was crossing a the road ahead and the rider went down, is it then that person's fault? Few people "deserve to die", especially when they were doing their job, regardless of occupation. Cops are leary of motorcylists because of guys like that. If you don't like it, save that speed for teh track, and ride a little more respectable and change their opinions for the rest of us.... (Can you be banned from a site for having an unpopular opinion?)

Well, let's see, your logic um...has no fucking logic!

If I am a cop, and I see a bike doing 175 MPH down bumfuck lane, and I engage pursuit, then I am required to radio in to dispatch...

So I am doing 95 MPH down bumfuck lane, the bike is nowhere in site, I didn't radio dispatch because I want to punch him when I pull him over, so I gotta act like I caught him really quick. A buss full of nuns pulls in front of me and I run into it and me and all of the nuns die.....Whos fault is it?

Well, heres the thing....The bike was speeding, that is for sure, but he has NO FUCKING IDEA THAT I AM CHASING HIM BECAUSE HE IS 9 MILES IN FRONT OF ME!

So that would make the nazi trooper at fault for manslaughter of any and all of the nuns...

I am sorry to have to break this down into pre-school terms, but some of you are so conditioned by 'the system' to say and do the right thing, it makes me fucking sick...

[rexer66]

Well they caught the guy yesterday i beleive, so god only knows whats going to happen to him. regardless of who's fault it was a state trooper is dead and someone will pay for that im sure

[Engloid]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

Bottom line....if the biker didn't run, this ACCIDENT (whether or not the trooper made a good or bad decision) would have NOT happened. Period.

If his mom had gotten an abortion, this wouldn't have happened. ...so, lets put her ass in jail!!!

Hopefully you can see my point. The world is full of IF's. The cop had a choice to persue or not. His choice caused his death.

Originally Posted by stackle2

I am sorry to have to break this down into pre-school terms, but some of you are so conditioned by 'the system' to say and do the right thing, it makes me fucking sick...

Conditioned is the correct term for it. Just like how people actually view "child support" as a good thing...reguardless of the situation. Supporting your child is one thing, but when it doesn't actually go towards your child, it's just giving money to another adult. People are so conditioned by the system about this that they automatically think that money MUST be paid. Ex...my ex dresses like a queen, yet my child is dressed in rags. Now, do I look at it and think, "I've got to make my child support payments, for the good of mu daughter?" No, I know the money's not being used for my daughter. However, most people would think I'm just a horrible parent if I don't pay it. sorry..don't intend to threadjack with this. It's just another example of how people are conditioned.

[v8killer4life]

Very well put Engloid!

[CNY750Rider]

Originally Posted by Engloid

The cop had a choice to persue or not. His choice caused his death.

It's his job to persue. Tell me, do they have rules/laws in your world? If not, I'd like to visit for a week. Are you saying that you really think that an officer is not going to pursue a biker doing 100mph into a small town. I really don't want to debate this because I'm sick of talking about it but I need to understand your point. Or is this much bigger for you and you plan on a revolutionary war.....

[Engloid]

[QUOTE=CNY750Rider]It's his job to persue. [/qupte]
That's a really shallow thought. I'm assuming that you don't think his job also includes things like keeping the public safety in mind?

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

Are you saying that you really think that an officer is not going to pursue a biker doing 100mph into a small town.

I will assume that's a question.
You know, it doesn't matter if I think he will or won't. The point is that he did. It was his choice. Obviously, the officer traveling a high rate of speed was posing a MUCH greater risk to public safety than the biker was.

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

I really don't want to debate this because I'm sick of talking about it but I need to understand your point. Or is this much bigger for you and you plan on a revolutionary war.....

I dunno. Logic may be beyond your capabilities.

[Lyte-]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

Sorry Lyte. Did it go well tho? Did you guys end up taking a ride too?

i ended up having to pick up KRGdesigns at the air port right before so i was bikeless... james was in the car bringing the large items so he was bikeless.. of course krg was bikeless since i just got him from the airport... so i think ball was the only person you would know who rode... although there were several other guys who showed up on bikes... mostly the roaddog's crew

[Lyte-]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

Bottom line....if the biker didn't run, this ACCIDENT (whether or not the trooper made a good or bad decision) would have NOT happened. Period.

When I go out riding, I have never once thought about the fact that my actions could cause harm to others. The recent events that have taken place have really made me think about how I ride on the street and who I surround myself with.....remember that next time you go out because this story could be about any one of us.....

But there is no proof the biker ran .... the biker was already doing 100 + the SUV had to turn around to chase him and crashed 2 minutes later... the biker might have never even knew the cop was there or turned around to chase him... i believe the kid turned his self in.. so he did stand up and be a man... but i don't think people should judge to quickly... i mean i watch people fly by cops on the fwy all the time doing less then 100mph and never see them till they are right behind them with lights and sirens

[mladinracer]

First of all, everyone has many valid opinions on this subject. I would like to say, however, that "Engloid".........you need a therapist. Do you have valid points? Absolutely, but the system is there to protect the kids. Just do the best you can with it.
Second, the trooper's death was definately a terrible accident for everyone involved. Whether the motorcycle was speeding or not is besides the point. There comes a time when an officer needs to make a decision whether driving at high speeds to write a speeding ticket, pull a license, whatever, is worth driving a 4000 lb SUV through the streets and risking people's safety. Including his own. The reckless motorcycle driver would simply add to the organ donor's list. Was the trooper doing the right thing in that situation? For whatever reason he though so, but it wasn't worth him losing his life for it.
People can hate us for riding sport bikes. Going to fast, stunting, burn outs, and other things. But when you get right down to it the officer left his family too early over what....................a ticket?
The sad thing is this accident probably destroyed many more lives then just the troopers. Think of his kids, his wife, and his family. As much as I hate to say it, the Trooper killed himself. It sucks, but like my Grandfather always told me (a retired sheriff's officer), my radio can outrun your bike. Needless to say I think the radio would have been a better choice in that situation.

[egsxr600]

Originally Posted by mladinracer

First of all, everyone has many valid opinions on this subject. I would like to say, however, that "Engloid".........you need a therapist. Do you have valid points? Absolutely, but the system is there to protect the kids. Just do the best you can with it.
Second, the trooper's death was definately a terrible accident for everyone involved. Whether the motorcycle was speeding or not is besides the point. There comes a time when an officer needs to make a decision whether driving at high speeds to write a speeding ticket, pull a license, whatever, is worth driving a 4000 lb SUV through the streets and risking people's safety. Including his own. The reckless motorcycle driver would simply add to the organ donor's list. Was the trooper doing the right thing in that situation? For whatever reason he though so, but it wasn't worth him losing his life for it.
People can hate us for riding sport bikes. Going to fast, stunting, burn outs, and other things. But when you get right down to it the officer left his family too early over what....................a ticket?
The sad thing is this accident probably destroyed many more lives then just the troopers. Think of his kids, his wife, and his family. As much as I hate to say it, the Trooper killed himself. It sucks, but like my Grandfather always told me (a retired sheriff's officer), my radio can outrun your bike. Needless to say I think the radio would have been a better choice in that situation.

I secon that.... And the motorcyclist shouldnt be charged of all those things..... Doesnt make any sense to me... or to any of the people i talked to.. even police officers...

[Engloid]

Originally Posted by mladinracer

First of all, everyone has many valid opinions on this subject. I would like to say, however, that "Engloid".........you need a therapist. Do you have valid points? Absolutely, but the system is there to protect the kids. Just do the best you can with it.

Interesting that you say I need a therapist..yet your post parallels mine VERY closely.

Oh, I forgot that a kid's life is more valuable than an adult. ...another one of society's conditioned thoughts.

As somebody posted above, a cop died and they're going to make somebody pay for it. If it had happened in my area, they'd charge the guy with murder, then give him a plea for manslaughter and 7 years prison..and he'd be out in 2 years. No shit. A guy I know was convicted of 1st degree murder, was sentenced with 7 years, and was out in 4. It wasn't but a few years later he killed again. This time, he never even was tried for it. They "messed up" the paperwork and had to drop charges...they said. I think he rolled over on his accomplice for a plea. The kicker was the he then died of unexpected health problems suddenly, so neither of the guys served any time and charges against the second were dropped. Our DA sucks ass.

[CNY750Rider]

Originally Posted by Lyte-

But there is no proof the biker ran .... the biker was already doing 100 + the SUV had to turn around to chase him and crashed 2 minutes later... the biker might have never even knew the cop was there or turned around to chase him... i believe the kid turned his self in.. so he did stand up and be a man... but i don't think people should judge to quickly... i mean i watch people fly by cops on the fwy all the time doing less then 100mph and never see them till they are right behind them with lights and sirens

Actually there is proof he ran, his own statement. It is in his statement that they posted online but I can not find now. He was running because a warrant was out for his arrest - he blew off probation.

I am with you guys, the charges are extreme and I do not think they will not stand in court. However, according to the news, this kid has a past with drugs, prior arrests for grand larceny, he didn't have a motorcycle endorsement, etc, etc. Also, I believe I read that he tried to hide his bike...... I ask, if he doesn't have a motorcycle endorsement...is he really a "rider"?

I know what you mean tho Lyte....I do not know that I'm getting pulled over half the time because my mirrors stink. I usually hear the sirens before I see them. Engliod, I hear what your saying too.....

The recent events have made me think alot and I'm going to start being a more responsible rider. The public traveling down highways should not be used as an audience. I'm as guilty as the next guy but I am ceasing all that kind of activity on the street. If I want to practice stunting, I will find a parking lot & if something happens....I will only be hurting myself. My hopes are that others will do the same in my area (& elsewhere) so we can save the hobby that we love so much.

[Engloid]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

The public traveling down highways should not be used as an audience.

Just remember that many times, the people that are seen as an audience will be the ones to smile, grin and gesture for you to do wheelies...then call the cops on their cell phones.

[CNY750Rider]

Originally Posted by Engloid

Just remember that many times, the people that are seen as an audience will be the ones to smile, grin and gesture for you to do wheelies...then call the cops on their cell phones.

Engliod - I have been riding for over 10 years. I know that. However, it doesn't mean that it should be done. The kids in the back seat give you the wheelie sign, while the parents call it in on their cell phone. I know what your saying but I am personally going to check my ego at the door before I going doing that on the streets. I am out there to test my abilities and have fun. Not impress the general public but I think it is cool....most of them don't like it. That's all I'm saying.

[truz24]

The bottom line is that the punishment does not fit the crime.

His charges should include, but not be limited to: evading police, speeding, reckless driving, endangering the public, driving without endorsement, and probation violation.

The officer did not deserve to die, and the biker does not deserve to be blamed for the officer driving beyond his abilities.

[stackle2]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

It's his job to persue. Tell me, do they have rules/laws in your world? If not, I'd like to visit for a week. Are you saying that you really think that an officer is not going to pursue a biker doing 100mph into a small town. I really don't want to debate this because I'm sick of talking about it but I need to understand your point. Or is this much bigger for you and you plan on a revolutionary war.....

wow, someone has a cops balls resting on his chin

yes, there are laws in my world, one of which is called a "Do not pursue Policy"

it's a directive informing police that it is ILLEGAL for them to pursue sportsbikes in high speed chases, I guess that they realized that if they don't chase us, we wont run

[CNY750Rider]

Originally Posted by stackle2

wow, someone has a cops balls resting on his chin

yes, there are laws in my world, one of which is called a "Do not pursue Policy"

it's a directive informing police that it is ILLEGAL for them to pursue sportsbikes in high speed chases, I guess that they realized that if they don't chase us, we wont run

Stackle - I'm only saying that everyone was at fault. Balls resting on my chin because I want to do the right thing? I do not think this guy should be charged with manslaughter....in no way.

[Engloid]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

Engliod - I have been riding for over 10 years. I know that. However, it doesn't mean that it should be done. The kids in the back seat give you the wheelie sign, while the parents call it in on their cell phone. I know what your saying but I am personally going to check my ego at the door before I going doing that on the streets. I am out there to test my abilities and have fun. Not impress the general public but I think it is cool....most of them don't like it. That's all I'm saying.

I wasn't meaning to sound like I was lecturing you...just adding a thought that you might keep in mind to deter yourself from stunting on buy interstates.

[stackle2]

[QUOTE=CNY750Rider]

However, according to the news, this kid has a past with drugs, prior arrests for grand larceny, he didn't have a motorcycle endorsement, etc, etc. Also, I believe I read that he tried to hide his bike...... I ask, if he doesn't have a motorcycle endorsement...is he really a "rider"?

you my friend are absolutely unbelievable! You must live in a world where bunnies can talk and Mr. Rodgers is the Milkman.... And just in case I didn't get my point through: YOU ARE DELUSIONAL AND IN DENIAL MY FRIEND!

You try to make this motorcyclist seem like more of a dark and evil person by saying he has a past with drugs....if we had an honest poll to find out how many members of this site had a past that included moderate/heavy drug use of some kind, you would really be surprised....

And the comment about how you question if he was a motorcyclist because he didn't have an endorsement! WHAT KIND OF PRESCHOOL LOGIC IS THAT?!?!?!?
I mean, I know of a lot of mexicans that don't have green cards but Mr. Bush calls the fuckers americans...(sorry) But seriously dude....if you randomly saw me on my gixxer, riding down the street, and you wanted to comment to a friend about me, would you refer to me as that "individual, businessman, respectable upstanding citizen, homonid, post-primate species"? NO JACKASS< you would call me a "biker, motorcyclist, rider, jackass, whatever"

My point is, I don't think you even realize how damn judgemental, arrogent, and self righteous what you have said all the way through this post has sounded. I picked up that something has recently changed in your life and you are rethinking your decisions, but honestly, I don't really think I should have to pay for your mistakes in the past by listening to you prattle on now. I know that I am making myself look like a complete asshole, but it's for the purpose of proving a point....

[stackle2]

Originally Posted by CNY750Rider

Stackle - I'm only saying that everyone was at fault. Balls resting on my chin because I want to do the right thing? I do not think this guy should be charged with manslaughter....in no way.

(allright, so the balls on the chin was a little borderline, sorry)

my point is that just because the cops are here to keep the public safe does not give them right to be reckless.

two months ago a state trooper ran a redlight doing 70 in a 35 and killed 2 civilians here in WV...he is being prosecuted and we expect him to do prison time. he deserved it. he was not on an emergency, just showing off. Let him rot.

The cop that chased his bike knew he couldn't catch him, he just wanted an adrenaline rush. He chose to ignore common policy, not call for a chase squad or a helo, and pursued himself. He made a choice, there was a result.

basic chemistry my friend:
for every action there is a reaction..

the cop made bad decision=the cop died for it.....end of story

[CNY750Rider]

Stackle - go ahead. You never liked me from the beginning anyways so I'm sure your going to jump all over this opportunity. I don't care tho. I'm not going to argue.

I'm not judging him. I was trying to say he had a past with priors, and that the state & da are going to jump all over that. Maybe I should spell it out better so my comments are not twisted and used for your enjoyment. Pictures of us stunting made the local news with this story. I am concerned because I have never put thought to the fact that there are people out there that do not find it cool. I am trying to put myself on the other side of the fence and understand. Yes, I am going to change what I do on the streets. I have had a reality check that this could have been me on one of those days I was tearing up the twisties. I have skeltons in my closet too dude, who doesn't. Who didn't have fun in college? I know that. However, getting busted with crack is a differnt story imo. That is all I'm trying to relay. You are right, I may be self righteous now....I dunno. I have alot so many thought going thru my head (it is obvious) that I don't know what to think. I was hoping you guys could support me as I'm really putting myself out there on this. yes, I'm a huge hypocrite right now because I was always the first person to lead, rip the twisties, do a stand-up on the hwy & pull a endo at the stop light. I love doing it too. But I have realized that I need to stop doing it. Why, I dunno. I just feel that I do. So....I'm putting my self out there that I want to change how I ride...and I expect that some will bash me and some won't. That is what I will have to deal with.....thanks for your honest stackle. Hopefully some day you will see that I really am a decent person.