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bike keeps dying... im lost

so, i bought an '04 Gsx-R 1000 this spring, it seems to run pretty well but I'm having an issue that i cant seem to put my finger on. The bike will fire up and run smooth but after anywhere between 4-10 miles, it'll backfire and sputter a couple times and shut off. The FI light comes on and the display reads "CHEC" where the temp is normally displayed but when i check the codes, every time i get C00. if i wait a couple minutes, the bike will start back up and run fine for a couple more miles and then repeat the process. The longer i wait, the further i can ride before having another issue. Does anybody have any ideas for me? Thanks in advance!

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so, i bought an '04 Gsx-R 1000 this spring, it seems to run pretty well but I'm having an issue that i cant seem to put my finger on. The bike will fire up and run smooth but after anywhere between 4-10 miles, it'll backfire and sputter a couple times and shut off. The FI light comes on and the display reads "CHEC" where the temp is normally displayed but when i check the codes, every time i get C00. if i wait a couple minutes, the bike will start back up and run fine for a couple more miles and then repeat the process. The longer i wait, the further i can ride before having another issue. Does anybody have any ideas for me? Thanks in advance!


I moved this to tech and performance chat. No infractions this time. Its a freebie.

Do you check codes before or after you turn off the key? Im wondering if you are having fuel system blockage.


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Thanks for moving it for me. I have tried both. normally i try to check them before cycling the key. Outside temperature seems to make a difference as well. If i ride at night (40-45 degrees this time of year) i don't have a problem as far as i know. 60 degree day seems like i can make it further than a 75 degree day. i suppose it could all be in my head but I'm thinking not.

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Thanks for moving it for me. I have tried both. normally i try to check them before cycling the key. Outside temperature seems to make a difference as well. If i ride at night (40-45 degrees this time of year) i don't have a problem as far as i know. 60 degree day seems like i can make it further than a 75 degree day. i suppose it could all be in my head but I'm thinking not.


Have you backflushed the pump?


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Ambient air temperature sensor may be shot. I think that's what's wrong with mine, I'll let you know tomorrow after I tear it apart and go through it.
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Sounds like the ECM to me. You said it's fine at first, but then dies and displays "check". That's displayed when the ECM signal doesn't get to the dash. The ECM is just a solid state computer. What it sounds like to me is that it's slowly heating up, and then crashing. Then you shut it down, let it cool and it's fine until it gets hot again.

I could be wrong though. It could be the wiring too.
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I think you might be right about the ECM but a connection issue, I pulled off the tank and pulled the fuel pump last night, cleaned everything up, while putting it all back together I noticed a taped wire at the ECM... the ECM ground was duct taped together, not twisted, no butt connector... I'll be throwing it all back together in a couple hours and I'll let you guys know what comes of it.

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It seemed to do the trick! Not saying that cleaning the fuel pump didn't play a part in it but I'm pretty sure duct taping a ground for the ECM isn't a sufficient repair! I got it all back together, took a 30 mile ride without any issues!

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It looks like I was wrong... the problem is still happening. Back to square one? I don't think it's fuel delivery because if that was the case I don't think "CHEC" would be displayed on the cluster. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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You're not wrong. Check on the dash is your biggest clue right now.
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I'd check your wire plugs that run up to the ecu, there's one under the tank that is known to cause issues. Especially with a new ECU running at about $150 on Ebay.

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As Chuckster said, the cluster will show "CHEC" after not receiving data from the ECM for 3 seconds.

I would go to the simpler stuff first such as the sidestand safety switch, sidestand relay or the kill switch itself. If any of those open, power to the ECM will be cut and you will get the same symptoms.
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If you've got taped wires, that's a problem. You need to figure out what's going on there, fix it, then see if the problem persists.

When it dies and you go to restart it, does the pump prime? If it doesn't, that means your ECU is no longer communicating and you may have a dead ECU if it's not related to jacked up wiring. If it is priming, it may not be the ECU and could be something as simple as the kickstand switch or killswitch having issues. Another thing to check is to see if your stator cover has an OEM gasket. If it doesn't, it could be binding as it heats up until it dies.
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Pretty interested in this thread as I have a similar problem. Bike cutting out when (ECU)hot. But in your case, check the simple things first. Like rv6john mentioned, check the side stand switch. Mine was bad. The bike would cut out randomly. Found 2 broken solder joints inside the switch. Also make sure the side stand is being pulled up tight by the springs.
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I have checked and eliminated the kickstand switch and the kill switch as being the problem, I properly fixed the ground wire that I found taped together, tomorrow I'll be tearing into it once again to see what I can find. Thanks for all the good info guys! I'll keep you guys posted on what I find.

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Don't forget about the sidestand relay. I don't remember when I saw a post about one failing, but it is an electrical solenoid that works every time the ignition is on/off even with the side stand switch bypassed.

From your first post, it sure sounds like an electrical component heating and failing. Because it is so consistent over time, I would not lean towards a bad ground. However, grounds are easy to check and eliminate as a potential source.

The crankshaft position sensor is another component that seems to fail when hot then come back to life as it cools. Some do not throw a code either. I don't think this is the likely problem as you are getting the "CHEC" display and the CKP should not cause that.

One other area to check is the big plug that connects all the nose electrics to the main harness. I'm pretty sure the right controls pass through this plug. It is a known area for corrosion and bad contacts.
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I pulled out the sidestand relay and popped it apart, i didn't go through the process of checking the diode and all of that, it smelled a little more "burnt" than a regular relay so i had one overnighted, it should be here today.

After digging into it a bit further, i did find that one of the plugs that connects the nose electrics seemed to be a bit loose and once upon a time someone pulled the mounting clips out of the frame and when it got put back together, it looks like something might have pinched a wire at the plug. It was questionable so i repaired it and remounted everything the correct way. As far as the plug connections, they were clean and tight except the one that i clipped in.

I'll take it for a ride this afternoon and see how it does.

As far as the crankshaft position sensor, would the air temp make a difference with that one? it seems that i can ride just fine when its cold outside without issues. (below 55F)

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Still happening!
Outline what you have done/checked so far.

Have you checked the connectors at the ECM itself? Any corroded or bent pins?

I hate to say it, but it might very well be the ECM. Is there any chance you know someone with a 2003 or 2004 1k that you can swap with for testing?

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Well, i started with the simple things, checked fuses and checked for obvious wiring issues, checked for obvious loose wiring around the battery and fuse area, i unplugged all of my "bolt-ons" (TRE, Servo Buddy, Power commander V) moved from there to checking the kill switch and the side stand switch. someone had led me to the idea that fuel delivery might have been the problem so i pulled out the fuel pump and tore it down, cleaned it up really well. I don't feel that that is the issue however because if the pump wasn't pumping enough fuel or if the pickup screen was getting dirty, i do not believe that "CHEC" would appear on the dash. I pulled it apart and cleaned it anyway seeing as i needed some sort of accomplishment in my repairs lol

I did find where someone had duct taped a wire together at the ECM plug, it ended up being the ECM ground, i repaired that i and then searched for more similar "repairs" to fix. i have found multiple questionable wiring issues that i repaired on the spot such as a wire that looked like it might have been pinched for some time, loose plugs under the tank, i did search wiring from the nose to the ECM and along the way i opened up any spots that looked like they might have butt-connectors or plugs and checked them all for good, tight connections.

I checked the connections at the ECM, they were clean and tights, it doesnt look as this bike has seen weather hardly at all ever when im digging into it. all plugs have been clean, no corrosion, no bent pins, i replaced the sidestand relay/blinker flasher (this did fix my hyperflash from the LED's)

Yesterday, i did have a little more time to mess with it while acting up than i usually do.. i was on the side of a somewhat busier back road so i left the key on for lights while i waited for it to cool down, it seems that as it cools down, after about 5 or 6 minutes.. if your squatting next to the bike, you can hear the bike prime the fuel, the dash will go back to showing the temp rather than "CHEC" and then the FI light will come back on again, and after 15 to 20 seconds it'll do it again and again gradually cycling faster and faster. The bike wont start at this point, just crank... or if it does start, it will only run for 10-30 seconds and die.

Sorry about rambling on, I'm just trying to cover everything... Also, next i was going to start messing with the CKP sensor, I've read through some troubleshooting in the manual but it doesn't tell me anything else about it. (part #, location, replacement info) and I haven't had much luck finding one online. Any ideas on where i can find one?

Thanks again everyone for all the help!

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No, that is a good description of what is going on.

The nice part is that it seems to be reasonably consistent.

When you say the "FI" comes on. Do you mean just the FI light or does it also blink FI in the temp window?

You are right, the fuel pump would not cause the "CHEC" indication.

The fuel pump "priming" and CHEC going away is telling you that the ECM is coming back online.

It is sounding more and more like the ECM is the issue.

About the only way I can think to know for sure would be to wire a couple of test bulbs between the two power wires to the ECM and the ground and ride the bike till it stops. If the lights are still on, you know you still have power to the ECM, if one goes out, you know what circuit to check for the power loss.

Not an easy fix.

One other thought is to carry a can of electronic Freeze Spray with you and shoot the ECM when it acts up to see if it comes back to life.

Another thought would be to put a bag of ice on or around the ECM and see if it prolongs the running problem or temporarily fixes the issue.
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Is the CKP sensor the same thing as a Stator, signal generator on this bike? That's what i keep getting redirected to when looking it up online.

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Is the CKP sensor the same thing as a Stator, signal generator on this bike? That's what i keep getting redirected to when looking it up online.
The crank position sensor on your bike is next to the crankshaft gear on the right side of the bike and totally separate from the stator.

Yes, they can cause the bike to stop or more common, not re-start when hot.

They may throw an FI code (C12) but I've read of at least three cases where they didn't.

However, the CKP failure will not cause the ECM to go off line and show CHEC in the cluster.

I seriously doubt that is the issue.

If it helps with your research, you are not having a common issue with your bike.
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When I'm saying that the FI light is coming on, I only mean that the red light comes on, it is not reading "FI" anywhere, it could just be the light from the bike shutting off but it grabs my attention right away. The only thing that has been displayed through these events is "CHEC" and when i put it in dealer mode i get "-C00"

Thanks for the ideas on how to keep moving forward with my repair. I'll try a couple out and let you guys know what I find.

Unfortunately I live in a small town that's 100 miles from anywhere so finding someone with a K3 or K4 1K to swap ECM for testing might be a bit of a task, I'll put a few posts online and see if i can find someone.

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The red light comes on for three conditions.

Low oil pressure with the oil can icon.

Very high coolant temperature with the thermometer icon

Or an FI fault with "FI" blinking or steady in the temp window.

You are getting the red light because the bike stopped and the oil pressure went to zero. Normal.
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Unplug your ecu connectors and check for damage to the pins. When I had a power commander water was going in to the ports on the ecu and rusting out the pins. A couple broke off.
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Yeah, that was one of the first areas I was hunting. Thanks tho!

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I tried running with a bag if ice on the ECM. Once it got to the point of popping and dying, it did pop and sputter but it let me go another half a mile or so before it died all the way on me.

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I tried running with a bag if ice on the ECM. Once it got to the point of popping and dying, it did pop and sputter but it let me go another half a mile or so before it died all the way on me.
Was that an improvement?

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I'd say yes...before it would just die, this time it kept running a bit further but was fueling alot, popping a lot, running crappy in general for maby another half a mile and then died
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Ordered a used ECM... it should be in Monday so I'll let you guys know what happens.

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While doing a bit of searching, I found this old thread where a couple of guys had similar issues and changing ECU out fixed the problem. Not sure if you have read this before.
https://www.gsxr.com/13-tech-perform...-hot-help.html
I think @SRAD600 might still be around and could offer a long term update.
I am having the same issue with my 04 GSXR600. So I have been riding it for under an hour when I go for a ride, because I don't want it cutting out on me.
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While doing a bit of searching, I found this old thread where a couple of guys had similar issues and changing ECU out fixed the problem. Not sure if you have read this before.
https://www.gsxr.com/13-tech-perform...-hot-help.html
I think @SRAD600 might still be around and could offer a long term update.
I am having the same issue with my 04 GSXR600. So I have been riding it for under an hour when I go for a ride, because I don't want it cutting out on me.
He is, just rode with him a couple of days ago. His bike is running great.

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Thanks for sharing that Peter079, i have not read that before. My ECU will is out for delivery now so ill put it in this afternoon and take it for a ride. Crossing my fingers that it'll put an end to my hunt. Thanks again to everyone that has been pitching in on helping me find the issue. I hope that I'll be of help to someone else sometime. I'll keep you guys posted.

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Well, I know that this is the second time saying this but I think it's fixed now!!! I think the ECM fixed it. After installing I started riding and bam!!! More power, runs better, idles better, before I knew it I had ridden 115 miles!!! I sure hope that thaw ends this chase for a while. Thanks again to everyone who helped out and gave info!
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Still up and runnin so i think that was it!

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Still up and runnin so i think that was it!
Excellent! And thanks for posting the fix and run report.

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