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I recently posted about my GSXR600 not starting after a ride I was advised to measure at the battery at engine off, idle, and 5krpm, I did so I currently have
12.7v with engine off
14.4v at idle
14.3v @5krpm
I thought the volts were suppose to go up to more like 15v revving..? Is the why i can’t get it re started after a ride? Any advise on what to check next or what needs repaired/replaced.. please help
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Those numbers are fine. The spec at 5k is 14.0 -15.5 volts but almost all I've checked is right around 14.3 like your bike. Your charging system is working fine.

One other check is to measure the battery voltage while you are cranking the bike. It should stay above 10.5 volts.

12.7 resting battery voltage is OK, but you also need to check how it does with a load.

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Okay thanks John will test cranking voltage, also how would I test under load and around what range should it be at? You thinking maybe it’s the starter cause it not to restart?
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Checking the battery voltage while you are cranking the bike is a quick and dirty load test. The voltage should stay above 10.5 volts.

A battery can be charged with a good resting voltage but if it is sulfated, the the voltage will drop right down when a load is put on it.

I'm not exactly sure what your starter cranking issue is but the starter motors are pretty robust and don't fail often. The more common causes are weak batteries, bad or loose battery connections, a loose wire connection at the starter or a bad ground from the battery to the engine/frame.

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The battery is brand new and I charged it fully it starts the bike fine just won’t restart after riding it for long period. It seems when it is restarted the battery gets drained cause when I take it back to my garage the battery charge is low even though when I left the garage it was fully charged. The guy before me put body glow lights in they arnt connected to battery but the wires are exposed in the battery compartment you think it could be shorting while riding and draining the battery?

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Or maybe a ignition relay going bad when getting it hot while riding causing it not to restart the bike once shut off..?
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So you have yet to describe what the problem is in this thread.

Specifically what is the bike doing/not doing and when?

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The problem is once the bike has been rode a few miles if the engine is cut off it will not start back up try’s to crank slowly but won’t start once battery is charged back up it starts right up
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However if I start the bike and don’t ride it and just shut it back off it will start up again. Example : The other day I killed it down the street from home after riding around town and then bike would not start back up
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U may have a short somewhere draining the battery , I did not see you post your voltage of your battery during a time period of the bike not starting, I only mention that bc heat and electrical components such as switches, starter motors, soilenoids etc are a terrible mix I’ve seen this happen where a component works cold but won’t work warm or hot bc something like a motor or a switch is on its last leg. It’s also possible to have a new battery and get a bad one.... id like more info but I hope I have u a few things to check out
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Yeah I didn’t check the actual voltage after that happened only know it was low cause I put it on my charger when I got home and that’s what the status was, and yes you’ve been very helpful i appreciate you much! I’m going to check voltage cranking and if it happens again this weekend I’ll check actual voltage at the battery after it won’t start. Just wanna be able to ride it reliably without having to worry about it not starting after I turn it off. I got lucky last time and was just right down the street from my house..
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Yeah I didnít check the actual voltage after that happened only know it was low cause I put it on my charger when I got home and thatís what the status was, and yes youíve been very helpful i appreciate you much! Iím going to check voltage cranking and if it happens again this weekend Iíll check actual voltage at the battery after it wonít start. Just wanna be able to ride it reliably without having to worry about it not starting after I turn it off. I got lucky last time and was just right down the street from my house..

It is possible that you got a bad battery. I hope you bought a Shorai and not some cheapo battery.

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It’s not a Shorai payed around 100$ at auto parts store that theyre system recommended for my bike, just confuses me cause seems like it only happens when it’s hot
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Anybody know of the ignition relay going bad would cause this and or the location it is on the bike
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There are plenty of things that can cause this, such as bad grounds or your stator cover having the wrong gasket.

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Stator cover wrong gasket? How would that cause it.. this did start happening after I took the stator cover off to fix leaks I have oem gasket shipping now
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So your voltages when running are looking good @14.3V yet you say the battery seems discharged when you hook it up to a charger in your garage after a ride. This doesnít add up to me.

What happens if you just let the bike cool down after it fails to restart when hot (donít recharge battery after ride)? Does it still crank slowly (bad battery or current leak) or does it start? Do you hear any whining/whistling from the stator when engine is cold or hot?

Have you checked the battery voltage after a ride?

To rule out shorting in the wiring, It might be worth doing a leak down current check too. Disconnect negative terminal from the battery, turn ignition off, connect multimeter between the removed lead and the battery and put the meter in DC amp mode. With ignition off, should be 3mA drain or less. Measure the current with ignition on too with kill switch in run position, but do not try and start the bike or youíll probably destroy your multimeter. With the ignition on, you should see a higher reading that drops once the fuel pump has primed etc. post up what you find.


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So your voltages when running are looking good @14.3V yet you say the battery seems discharged when you hook it up to a charger in your garage after a ride. This doesn’t add up to me.

What happens if you just let the bike cool down after it fails to restart when hot (don’t recharge battery after ride)? Does it still crank slowly (bad battery or current leak) or does it start? Do you hear any whining/whistling from the stator when engine is cold or hot?

Have you checked the battery voltage after a ride?

To rule out shorting in the wiring, It might be worth doing a leak down current check too. Disconnect negative terminal from the battery, turn ignition off, connect multimeter between the removed lead and the battery and put the meter in DC amp mode. With ignition off, should be 3mA drain or less. Measure the current with ignition on too with kill switch in run position, but do not try and start the bike or you’ll probably destroy your multimeter. With the ignition on, you should see a higher reading that drops once the fuel pump has primed etc. post up what you find.


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The battery charger said it was low after it happened and wouldn’t start Also once I got it home after walking it down the street it wouldn’t start either so I gave it one to cool I suppose. It would crank for a few seconds until it was barely turning over the engine then stopped I charge it up and starts up just fine
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Stator cover wrong gasket? How would that cause it.. this did start happening after I took the stator cover off to fix leaks I have oem gasket shipping now
Because the cover and stator are designed to work with a very specific clearance tolerance that the OEM gasket provides and that RTV does not. When it gets hot it can bind, and this will result in your bike exhibiting the exact symptoms you're describing. When you put in the new gasket, you may even see some rub marks

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Stator cover wrong gasket? How would that cause it.. this did start happening after I took the stator cover off to fix leaks I have oem gasket shipping now
Because the cover and stator are designed to work with a very specific clearance tolerance that the OEM gasket provides and that RTV does not. When it gets hot it can bind, and this will result in your bike exhibiting the exact symptoms you're describing. When you put in the new gasket, you may even see some rub marks
i feel like this could be it. the gasket I got was very cheap along with cover.. although the new oem gasket won’t be here till next week does this cause damage to the engine, stater etc? I was wanting to ride it before next week
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i feel like this could be it. the gasket I got was very cheap along with cover.. although the new oem gasket wonít be here till next week does this cause damage to the engine, stater etc? I was wanting to ride it before next week
You should also order an OEM cover, unless that's a high-quality cover from a reputable brand. And, it's rubbing against it if that's the actual problem, so it's not particularly good for the bike.

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I hate to piggy back something so simple, you should go with quality parts but about a month or 2 ago I had a battery on its last leg on my bike went to start it womp womp womp!it was 9-10 pm I decided I wanted a battery I was not crazy about this idea but the only place open was Walmart 50$ and a hour charge later I got a good battery and I don’t regret it now.
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1500-1600 miles later I’ve not had one prob with the battery.
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I hate to piggy back something so simple, you should go with quality parts but about a month or 2 ago I had a battery on its last leg on my bike went to start it womp womp womp!it was 9-10 pm I decided I wanted a battery I was not crazy about this idea but the only place open was Walmart 50$ and a hour charge later I got a good battery and I don’t regret it now.
I don’t think it’s the battery I can go start it up at any point of the day it’s just if I hop on it and ride for an hour or 2 it won’t start back up
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I will go with @Just_Nick that the Chicomm cover and gasket is likely the issue.

Knowing you recently changed those would have been helpful information at the beginning.

There have been some threads where the starter gears were bound up totally after installation of a non-OEM cover. Obviously, there are some tolerance issues.

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I will go with @Just_Nick that the Chicomm cover and gasket is likely the issue.

Knowing you recently changed those would have been helpful information at the beginning.

There have been some threads where the starter gears were bound up totally after installation of a non-OEM cover. Obviously, there are some tolerance issues.
is there any other brand that is known to work? Not trying to cut corners but have already spent a ton just on this issue and 180$+ for oem seems pretty high
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Woodcraft makes a good part but it is a bit more than OEM as it is more robust and had much better protection. I guess I would go that way if I was going to spend that much on OEM.

What was wrong with your old cover? Maybe check Ebay for a used OEM part?

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Woodcraft makes a good part but it is a bit more than OEM as it is more robust and had much better protection. I guess I would go that way if I was going to spend that much on OEM.

What was wrong with your old cover? Maybe check Ebay for a used OEM part?
The guy that owned it before me cracked it, I wouldn’t mind paying oem as long as I know it’ll fix the problem.
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I just took it for a ride, rode for about 30-45 mins got it nice and warmed up came back home shut it off and tried turning it right back on it wouldn’t start again, I hooked multi meter up to battery with it off was 12.5v(this was after trying to crank it back over a few times) ignition on was pretty much 12.5v cranked it it dropped to 9-10v then as it cranked went all the way down to 8v. Then back to 12.3 without cranking. I also have video of it trying to crank over as it gets slower and slower until it comes to a stop
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is there any other brand that is known to work? Not trying to cut corners but have already spent a ton just on this issue and 180$+ for oem seems pretty high


Have you tried getting a used OEM one from a wreckers?

Unfortunately itís one of those parts where cheap copies will likely cause issues. I donít know if there is a reputable brand part that will work and be cheaper than OEM.

The problem isnít going to go away without the correct parts being installed and more damage may occur if the clearances are incorrect.


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I just took it for a ride, rode for about 30-45 mins got it nice and warmed up came back home shut it off and tried turning it right back on it wouldnít start again, I hooked multi meter up to battery with it off was 12.5v(this was after trying to crank it back over a few times) ignition on was pretty much 12.5v cranked it it dropped to 9-10v then as it cranked went all the way down to 8v. Then back to 12.3 without cranking. I also have video of it trying to crank over as it gets slower and slower until it comes to a stop
That's what happens with crappy covers and gaskets: those Chinese companies know nothing more than how to try to half-ass copy the originals and you get issues if there are low tolerance thresholds. If you want to save money, look for a used one on eBay. Woodcraft is nice because it's beefier than OEM if you lay it down.

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Okay I greatly appreciate the help everyone I’m going to get a oem cover along with oem gasket and will report back to this thread when installed
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Reporting back I have found the issue I believe I pulled the stator cover back off and found scrapings like it had been binding up I guess the cheap cover was not giving it enough clearance
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Reporting back I have found the issue I believe I pulled the stator cover back off and found scrapings like it had been binding up I guess the cheap cover was not giving it enough clearance


Are those marks on the inside of the rotor? If so, either the stator isnít the correct size or the mounting holes on the cover are not precisely where they should be.

What do the outer edges of the stator look like?




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Are those marks on the inside of the rotor? If so, either the stator isn’t the correct size or the mounting holes on the cover are not precisely where they should be.

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This is a common issue with people that use cheap "OE" replacement parts that most certainly are not OE. His problem will be easily solved with an OEM cover or a cover from a company that does R&D.

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Yeah they are on the inside outside looks okay a couple scratches not compared to the inside though. I have it put back together right now with oem gasket and cover hopefully it’s fixed?
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I believe the new oem cover and gasket fixed the problem just started let it run up to operating temp took it for a short ride around the block and up and down the street a couple times got home killed it, and it fired right up baby! Wasn’t a very far ride cause it’s raining atm but will fully test it next sunny day. And will be sure to update. Seriously though I can’t explain how much all of you helped me and will continue to stay active on these forms for that reason I appreciate it everyone. <3
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I believe the new oem cover and gasket fixed the problem just started let it run up to operating temp took it for a short ride around the block and up and down the street a couple times got home killed it, and it fired right up baby! Wasnít a very far ride cause itís raining atm but will fully test it next sunny day. And will be sure to update. Seriously though I canít explain how much all of you helped me and will continue to stay active on these forms for that reason I appreciate it everyone. <3
Glad to hear it. I've definitely seen and helped others with this, so I'm glad it was simple. Always remember to keep in mind what you last did if an issue arises.

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I believe the new oem cover and gasket fixed the problem just started let it run up to operating temp took it for a short ride around the block and up and down the street a couple times got home killed it, and it fired right up baby! Wasnít a very far ride cause itís raining atm but will fully test it next sunny day. And will be sure to update. Seriously though I canít explain how much all of you helped me and will continue to stay active on these forms for that reason I appreciate it everyone. <3


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