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Awesome! Hope to meet up with you sometime during the day. I'll let you know where we're pitted at if you'd like.

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I really want to get back to NCM! This one is a no go for me though. Hoping to hit Hastings for the first time (and first days of 2019, ugh!) 8/31-9/1.
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Easier said than done. This was from my first trackday back after my crash rebuild. Imagine if this dude was just a little later on this dumbass move. Sometimes, it's not your fault.

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not only did he wipe out, he cut right across the front of you cause he couldn't hold his line on the brakes. Waayyy too ambitious a move. Clearly his ambition outweighed his talent.
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Track was dry. I talked to him after and he said it was the seam that caused him to lose the front. He went down a few feet before the seam. I even loaned him some safety wire to get it back on the track... which he "forgot who he got it from" and I had to go get it back from him later. He was at the last trackday too. He's pretty fast, and I can't keep up with him, but that kind of aggressive pass has no place at a trackday. Just bad judgement on his part. I really don't know the guy, but the way he carries himself, his "style", etc. there's a bit of arrogance there. That can be dangerous on the track.
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Track was dry. I talked to him after and he said it was the seam that caused him to lose the front. He went down a few feet before the seam. I even loaned him some safety wire to get it back on the track... which he "forgot who he got it from" and I had to go get it back from him later. He was at the last trackday too. He's pretty fast, and I can't keep up with him, but that kind of aggressive pass has no place at a trackday. Just bad judgement on his part. I really don't know the guy, but the way he carries himself, his "style", etc. there's a bit of arrogance there. That can be dangerous on the track.
This is in intermediate group?

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Advanced. That pass would have been far too close in intermediate even if he would have made it stick.
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While an aggressive attitude has no business at any TD, if he'd kept it up right, I wouldn't have thought twice about the pass. Granted, I'm watching this from a camera and don't know that particular track.

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While an aggressive attitude has no business at any TD, if he'd kept it up right, I wouldn't have thought twice about the pass. Granted, I'm watching this from a camera and don't know that particular track.
It's entering T9 at Putnam Park. And I don't disagree at all. There was certainly enough room for him to make a pass up the inside. It just has to be done with some finesse.
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While an aggressive attitude has no business at any TD, if he'd kept it up right, I wouldn't have thought twice about the pass. Granted, I'm watching this from a camera and don't know that particular track.
the fact that he couldnt keep it rubber side down tells me the pass was ill advised and too close to the limit. in a race, no issues maybe. this guy seems like a yahoo and wants to win trackdays without regard to others safety.
it's not the worst thing in the world, sure, but if that guy takes YOU out, it would suck...

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i wonder if he grabbed some brakes when he was starting to run wide? looked like to me he had some more lean angle to give, but was locked in position like a mild target fix or survival reaction.
thinking about what he could have done, since hes set his lean angle, he could have moved his upper body down and in to help tighten the turn as he stayed off throttle. hook turn i think CSS calls it.
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It's easy to speculate, but he just asked too much of the front. To me, seeing it happen, he was on the front brake pretty hard for that much lean. You run uphill hard out of 8 and into 9. The hill crests just as you enter 9. He just came in too hot and then tried to turn and brake hard going slightly downhill. The track is pretty wide here because it's where the pit entrance is. He could have backed off a bit and let it run wide and probably been fine. Why I think it was a real knucklehead move was because it's a 10 turn track. 9 and 10 are essentially just a single double apex turn. He could have just hung onto my rear and then smoked me down the straight (like everyone does, LOL). What we couldn't see is what was going on leading up to it. I hold my own in the A group on a 14 year old 600. It was also only my 2nd day back out since my crash and I know for a fact I'm not back to 100%. Was it the case that the speed difference was enough that it forced him to change his entry? Still makes it his fault, but I've been in situations where closing in on someone fast makes for a hairy situation.

For example, at my previous trackday, there was a guy in A group on a newer GSX-R1000. He would absolutely waste me going down the front straight. Then he'd straight up park it in T1. I'm knee on the ground in T1 at 78-85mph. And I know for a fact there's guys going through it in the 90's. This guy passed me, then got on the brakes WAY early. He pulled us down to 40mph. No fucking joke. After the second time it happened, I went to the organizer and asked them to watch for this guy. A group isn't about how fast you are. You need to have a certain skill level to be able to ride with others at similar skill level. If you're going HALF the speed of everyone else is through a turn, you don't belong. Lap times aren't everything. I'm barely lapping at the minimum laptime for A, but I'm pretty consistent. This is one of the reasons I really like STT. You have to go through an evaluation to ride A group with them. This guy would be still be in intermediate with them. I wish more TD organizers did this.

Granted, someone could say I don't belong because I'm topping out at 135mph and there's guys out there in the 170s.
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I hold my own in the A group on a 14 year old 600.
If he knew this, the move was all the more stupid... for a trackday. If you tell me this was on the first lap, I wouldn't be surprised...


Consistency is the key to safe trackday riding. I admire the people that put in decent lap times, but look like they are on a Sunday ride. Downshifts are done early, tip in is not rushed, apexes are hit, power is applied early. all due to not missing your markers and knowing what you want to do before doing it.
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A group isn't about how fast you are. You need to have a certain skill level to be able to ride with others at similar skill level. If you're going HALF the speed of everyone else is through a turn, you don't belong. Lap times aren't everything. I'm barely lapping at the minimum laptime for A, but I'm pretty consistent.
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Well, the weather for NCM is looking perfect. I got signed up for Saturday. My dad is going to come with me (he's never been to a trackday). Staying in a hotel friday night, and camping at the track on Saturday. As long as things stay shiny, should be a really good day!
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Well, the weather for NCM is looking perfect. I got signed up for Saturday. My dad is going to come with me (he's never been to a trackday). Staying in a hotel friday night, and camping at the track on Saturday. As long as things stay shiny, should be a really good day!
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May be looking at Putnam end of Sept.
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I just got a garage secured. These travel days get expensive. Just for the garage, hotel, and entry, I'm at $433. Pretty expensive for a TD, but NCM is so worth it!

I'm pretty sure I've got enough tire left (this will be day 3 for this set), but if I need them replaced, that'll be another $350. Can't really count that though. I used to go through a set a day until I got my setup right.
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I just got a garage secured. These travel days get expensive. Just for the garage, hotel, and entry, I'm at $433. Pretty expensive for a TD, but NCM is so worth it!

I'm pretty sure I've got enough tire left (this will be day 3 for this set), but if I need them replaced, that'll be another $350. Can't really count that though. I used to go through a set a day until I got my setup right.
Yeah that's why I like going to RPM. The track itself needs help but I can commute to my parents' a little over an hour away so no hotel cost.
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I live 45 minutes away from Putnam. It's really a blessing to sleep in your own bed and just wake up in the morning, make some coffee and head to the track. Stop at brewery to have a beer and get a growler on the way home and just back the trailer into the garage, shower and in "fat pants" by 8p.
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I live 45 minutes away from Putnam. It's really a blessing to sleep in your own bed and just wake up in the morning, make some coffee and head to the track. Stop at brewery to have a beer and get a growler on the way home and just back the trailer into the garage, shower and in "fat pants" by 8p.


I wish....closest tracks to me are NYST and NJMP and they are both 3.5 hours away on a good day with minimal traffic which in NY doesn’t really exist.

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Maybe shouldn't have said anything. Just got a weather alert from Bowling Green. 83, mostly cloudy and rain chances have gone up to 20%. Supposed to rain Friday and Sunday. Really hate being book-ended like that.
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Maybe shouldn't have said anything. Just got a weather alert from Bowling Green. 83, mostly cloudy and rain chances have gone up to 20%. Supposed to rain Friday and Sunday. Really hate being book-ended like that.
A cold front is coming through the area Friday so you should have drier air behind it. The low will be hanging around a bit south so that is why the small chance of showers.

Low 80s and mostly cloudy is my kind day!

John's forecast. Damp track the first two sessions, great conditions afterward.

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I live 45 minutes away from Putnam. It's really a blessing to sleep in your own bed and just wake up in the morning, make some coffee and head to the track. Stop at brewery to have a beer and get a growler on the way home and just back the trailer into the garage, shower and in "fat pants" by 8p.
I have summit point just an hour and a half from me so I feel you there. Its lovely. Last track day I was able to get home, unload the trailer and get a shower before it was even dark out. I used to be 30 minutes from NJMP which was also very nice.

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I wish....closest tracks to me are NYST and NJMP and they are both 3.5 hours away on a good day with minimal traffic which in NY doesn’t really exist.

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I feel ya. I'm 3.5 hours from the nearest race track. Instead of traffic, I'm often on country back roads... for better or for worse..
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Gateway is a couple hours but it's a NASCRAP death trap with an infield. Topeka is about an hour from my brother's in Olathe, KS so not bad if I stay with him but hard to manage the trailer at his place.

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I've heard some bad things about Gateway. MCRA races there, but I heard no one likes to.
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I've heard some bad things about Gateway. MCRA races there, but I heard no one likes to.
I raced there with CCS in 2003-2004. Was in STL last summer with my wife and stopped by to hang out with some people and they happened to have a fatality while we were there. It's rare of course but it's not a bike-friendly track.

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On a happier note, just signed up for Hastings over Labor Day weekend!
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I'm booked for 2 days at VIR (north and full course) over labor day. Always an enjoyable event but unfortunately will probably be an early end to my season.

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Gateway isn't worth the danger. I'll never go back. Even if I was still living there.

Getting pumped for NCM this weekend!!

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I'm booked for 2 days at VIR (north and full course) over labor day. Always an enjoyable event but unfortunately will probably be an early end to my season.
Two locals are going to that Cornerspeed/Ducati event unfortunately, not me.

I've heard it is well done and I've yet to ride the full course.

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Two locals are going to that Cornerspeed/Ducati event unfortunately, not me.



I've heard it is well done and I've yet to ride the full course.
The event is always really well done. I do it both spring and fall with ducati club. The full course is fun but it went downhill last season when they added a requirement for the bus stop on the back straight after they had a death.

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Getting pumped for NCM this weekend!!
Me too! The weather looks like it's going to be perfect. Mid to upper 70's and partly cloudy. My last trackday I could only stay out for about 12-15 minutes before I overheated. I need new (perforated) leathers!
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Me too! The weather looks like it's going to be perfect. Mid to upper 70's and partly cloudy. My last trackday I could only stay out for about 12-15 minutes before I overheated. I need new (perforated) leathers!
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Cleared, but I'm hitting the road now.
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Weather is looking stellar today. Feel bad for anyone who's hoping to ride tomorrow though.
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Well, Koth442 just got bumped into Advanced. I just got bumped down to Intermediate. Guess the crash last year is more into my head than I thought.

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Weather was phenomenal! Couldn't have asked for better. I'm sure you'll get your head straight soon enough Chuckster!
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Weather was phenomenal! Couldn't have asked for better. I'm sure you'll get your head straight soon enough Chuckster!
I hope so. I had fun, and it was great to meet you and Chad. Still, overall it was a little demoralizing.
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