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post #81 of 168 (permalink) Old 04-14-2013, 06:14 PM
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something to add for #7, reduce speed when there's no light/lamp post on the streets. can't depend on your headlights completely.
I just crashed my bike last night b/c the road was completely dark.
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Great info, thanks for the post
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I feel most riders will probably have some type of accident the more they ride whether it be your fault or someone else's. either inexperience or too much confidence, plus stupidity are the biggest reasons for wrecks IMO... Just gotta be careful and always stay alert...


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no one learns from other mistakes, so if you fall learn from that one, so it doesnt happen again, also learning from close calls helps to
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I was brought up with the '' its not a question of if but when the question is how bad'' mentality and the how bad is up to you.

Most of my riding is on rural roads and I average seeing around 3 deer every week. Between that and the dirt on the road you never know whats around the next corner.

My very first ride on the road my self some one ran a stop sign and I almost hit him straight on. The guy was looking right at me when he pulled out.

Best advice I have ever gotten was ride like there out to kill you, it keeps you on your toes.
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wtf. this article is for pussies.

dont ride at night?
are you serious? be careful of corners....blah blah blah....lol. you might as well not own a bike if you are that scared to ride it. jesus what has this world become when we are so scared to ride?

if you are that scared, dont ride. get rid of your bike....if you ride with no fear you will never die


So far this is the only post I have read on this forum that made me think the author was mentally retarded. Telling new riders to disregard safety guidelines and advice from seasoned riders is not only irresponsible and sets a bad example, it's an all around asshat move.

Thinking about your technique and habits are as important as changing your oil. Complacency and routine can be deadly with 4lbs/hp.
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Three rules....

The people in the cars and trucks can't see you.
The people in the cars and trucks see you, and don't give a damn.
If it makes your butt pucker on the seat, its a good bet you did it to yourself, think about it...

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If it makes your butt pucker on the seat, its a good bet you did it to yourself, think about it...
You obviously have never experienced a situation where you had absolutely had no control over the outcome. Sometimes accidents are inevitable. Grow up bro. You can't control everything.

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You obviously have never experienced a situation where you had absolutely had no control over the outcome. Sometimes accidents are inevitable. Grow up bro. You can't control everything.

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No, I do not accept excuses, I am a professional driver, any accident I have could have been avoided, and it is MY fault... I think I'm grown Son, hell, I have Great Grandkids! Been on two wheels for fifty years...
I disagree entirely...unless you are on the track. Introducing ignorant and unpredictable drivers into your environment can cause a wreck that is totally unavoidable. No matter your skill level or length of experience. I believe the large majority of wrecks ARE avoidable, but some situations, you just can't beat physics.

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I'm with snow on this one. The vast majority of accidents are avoidable and were we going a little slower, or paying a little more attention we'd just have a close call. But shit man what if a car falls out of the sky and lands on you, that's pretty fuckin unavoidable. Sometimes you can't beat physics.


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This thread always smolders & never quite goes out. I think Great Grampa Retread is saying if you look at the last thing that scared you, you will probably find something you could have done differently. Don't just blame it on a stupid driver that cut into your lane for no reason...maybe your lane position or awareness could have been sharper. You guys already know & live by that rule anyway.

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Yep Tinsnips.. What I'm saying is there is always a way to avoid an accident, if you are riding in heavy traffic, pick another time that is not as congested. If you are in bad weather, find a dry spot and take a break till weather passes. On two wheels means you have to give everyone around you plenty of room, give yourself plenty of room to escape a bad situation, and always have your head in the game.

I have heard and experienced just about every bad situation, from guys just sitting at a stop light getting run over, to getting forced into guardrails by other riders. Everyone of these could have been avoided by either riding at a different time, or knowing who you are driving with.. But as I said before, if you do get into a bad situation, do not just push it off as fate, or the other guys fault, take a closer look at what YOU can do to avoid it in the future...

And yep, I have dumped myself several times, everyone of them could have been avoided, from showing off as a kid, to trying to carry three cases of beer on the back, or just plain going to fast.. Learn from the experience, you can't control what the codger, or the MILF with a cell to her ear is going to do, but you can keep yourself a safe distance from them... Happy riding..

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Yep Tinsnips.. What I'm saying is there is always a way to avoid an accident, if you are riding in heavy traffic, pick another time that is not as congested. If you are in bad weather, find a dry spot and take a break till weather passes. On two wheels means you have to give everyone around you plenty of room, give yourself plenty of room to escape a bad situation, and always have your head in the game.

I have heard and experienced just about every bad situation, from guys just sitting at a stop light getting run over, to getting forced into guardrails by other riders. Everyone of these could have been avoided by either riding at a different time, or knowing who you are driving with.. But as I said before, if you do get into a bad situation, do not just push it off as fate, or the other guys fault, take a closer look at what YOU can do to avoid it in the future...

And yep, I have dumped myself several times, everyone of them could have been avoided, from showing off as a kid, to trying to carry three cases of beer on the back, or just plain going to fast.. Learn from the experience, you can't control what the codger, or the MILF with a cell to her ear is going to do, but you can keep yourself a safe distance from them... Happy riding..
I think you and snow both have good points. I don't think every collision is avoidable because there are a lot of variable factors, but there are things to decrease the probability. Still good info Josh
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I think we're all basically in agreement here... Lol


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ATGATT i really like that saying! i know last year even when it was really hot i wore my jacket they are made to breathe and i know some of my friends made fun of me but i was at least safe! lol
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Yep Tinsnips.. What I'm saying is there is always a way to avoid an accident, if you are riding in heavy traffic, pick another time that is not as congested. If you are in bad weather, find a dry spot and take a break till weather passes. On two wheels means you have to give everyone around you plenty of room, give yourself plenty of room to escape a bad situation, and always have your head in the game.

I have heard and experienced just about every bad situation, from guys just sitting at a stop light getting run over, to getting forced into guardrails by other riders. Everyone of these could have been avoided by either riding at a different time, or knowing who you are driving with.. But as I said before, if you do get into a bad situation, do not just push it off as fate, or the other guys fault, take a closer look at what YOU can do to avoid it in the future...

And yep, I have dumped myself several times, everyone of them could have been avoided, from showing off as a kid, to trying to carry three cases of beer on the back, or just plain going to fast.. Learn from the experience, you can't control what the codger, or the MILF with a cell to her ear is going to do, but you can keep yourself a safe distance from them... Happy riding..
Alright, I'm new, yes, but I have something to chime in here. When someone hits you from behind, how is there anyway to avoid it without knowing before hand that it was going to happen? And saying "should have road at a different time" is stupid. That's like saying "never go ride".

I'm my case, I was riding my sv650 back from school with all my gear. There was a lady in a huge mail truck perpendicular to me on the right, pulling up to the street I was riding on. I was watching her the entire time and literally looking at her tires to see if she was going to stop.

Story short, she California stopped at the last second and darted across all 3 lanes, leaving me with oncoming traffic, a wall, or trees, to drive into. I didn't have time to fully stop either, and If I had slammed on my brakes to avoid what could be "a potential accident" every time something like that happened, then no one should be driving, ever. There would be a lot more rear end crashes.

So I kindfully disagree with your saying "every accident is avoidable".
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Alright, I'm new, yes, but I have something to chime in here. When someone hits you from behind, how is there anyway to avoid it without knowing before hand that it was going to happen? And saying "should have road at a different time" is stupid. That's like saying "never go ride".

I'm my case, I was riding my sv650 back from school with all my gear. There was a lady in a huge mail truck perpendicular to me on the right, pulling up to the street I was riding on. I was watching her the entire time and literally looking at her tires to see if she was going to stop.

Story short, she California stopped at the last second and darted across all 3 lanes, leaving me with oncoming traffic, a wall, or trees, to drive into. I didn't have time to fully stop either, and If I had slammed on my brakes to avoid what could be "a potential accident" every time something like that happened, then no one should be driving, ever. There would be a lot more rear end crashes.

So I kindfully disagree with your saying "every accident is avoidable".

Sounds like you were driving in heavy traffic, not a good place for a bike, always give yourself an out, the "what if" factor should always be the rule, and not the exception... You can disagree, but always learn..

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This might help convince my parents to let me get a motorcycle haha. Great post

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I'm not very supercilious so I'll speak up...
I haven't read a lot of this thread and I'm sure some of it will be repeated but repetition can't hurt.

I've been riding since 2007 when I was 45.
I haven't dumped yet and haven't been hit by a texting dimwit yet. I was sitting here trying to figure it out and have come to the conclusion that part of it is age, part of it is fear and part of it is respect.

I'll use a table saw as an analogy. I worked as a woodworker for 5 years after high school. I was on a table saw ALL DAY. The closest I ever got to cutting myself was getting so close I could feel the heat of the blade. I respected the saw for it's power and ability to cause major damage. I feared it but wasn't scared if you know what I mean. Same with my bike. I fear it but I'm not scared. It can do major damage if I let it but I try not to let it.

I know my limits. 30+ years ago I may not have known my limits and chances are I would have crashed. I'm in my 50's and I'm on meds that slow me down. My reflexes aren't what they used to be and I know it. I don't go beyond my limits.

I respect the power of my bike. I fear it but I'm not scared. A little fear goes a long way.

The street isn't a race track. There are idiots in cars, sand, rocks animals and all sorts of other things. I don't train on the road outside of familiar curves and on/off ramps and after one pass to check for debris. Some day I hope to hit the track but until then I ride like there WILL be something in the road to take me down.

I really do ride like like I'm invisible. Every intersection and every car that comes near me is a potential crash and I'm aware of every one of them. I don't let my guard down.

I don't ride in the cold or the rain. I wait for tires to warm up. I generally avoid things that I know can increase the odds of a crash.

In summary, if you want to test your skill level, go to the track. The road isn't a track.
Know your personal limits. If you have bad reflexes or are on meds or whatever. Be mature enough to understand yourself. Don't do things that you know will increase your chances of a crash.

I'm not trying to lecture. I'm just trying to increase awareness.

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Crashing is just part of the sport

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Wrong. Trying to not crash is part of the sport.

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Wrong. Trying to not crash is part of the sport.
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You're both 100% incorrect. It's not a concept the ignorant can comprehend tho. Don't fret
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By all means please enlighten my ignorant and feeble mind as I want to experience riding to its fullest extent. Do you prefer low side or high side? I think low side cuz then you can like go sliding down the road on your butt and that looks like so totally awesome. But then again, high side is like sort of like you're flying so maybe I'd rather high side cuz I really wish I could fly. I'm so confused! I want my first crash to be memorable so advise from an experienced crasher would be so totally awesome. Thanks in advance!

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You're both 100% incorrect. It's not a concept the ignorant can comprehend tho. Don't fret
Love how when someone disagrees with a comment they go straight to insults and shit talking. Pretty much a clear indication that you have NO arguments to back your statement up.
Let's get one thing straight here....motoGP, if you crash, you lose. Stunt competitions, if you crash, you lose. Motocross, supercross, flat track, shit, even bmx. THEY are all trying to stay on two wheels. But I'm sure you've got one up on all those world champs. Yeah, crashes happen, but they are ALL, every single one of them, trying not to.
I can't help it- I'm gonna sink to your level so you can understand better (and because it is fun, and people like you piss me off).
You are obviously an ignorant, retarded squid who has no idea what riding is all about. You probably like to sit in parking lots after "hittin it SO hard" so you can show off for all the high school girls that you like cause they stay the same age. Quit being a poser, try to be nice, or K punkin? Thanks.

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Like I said, not a concept the ignorant can comprehend. I'm not wasting my time educating you. Don't burn the last brain cells you guys have trying to figure it out. Not insults, the truth just hurts. Educate yourselves.
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Disagreeing and insults are part of the forum sport for bigspaz. Its just his thing.

As for crashing being part of the sport....been riding for 10+ years street, another 10 dirt, 7ish track days with only one low mph low side. Guess I've been doing the sport wrong.

Do crashes happen in our sport...yeah I'd even go as far to agree that some would say its part of the deal. One of those you wanna be dumb gotta be tough type things. How ever to disagree with the saying that trying not to crash is the real idea is just....well for lack of a better word, moronic.

Balance. The fine line between control and out of control. Thats the "sport" .....of racing that is. On the street if crashing is part of the sport to you then I'm glad you don't ride near me.



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The more you post, the clearer it is that you don't understand the concept at all. It's not rocket science but also not surprising you don't get it. I'm glad I'm not near you as well. There's enough people on bikes who have no business on them as it is.
Darwinism always works itself out in this sport tho, which is pleasing.

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Like I said, not a concept the ignorant can comprehend. I'm not wasting my time educating you. Don't burn the last brain cells you guys have trying to figure it out. Not insults, the truth just hurts. Educate yourselves.
Look , I've known plenty of you internet tough guys. All you do is hurl insults, call names, and denigrate those who disagree with you. I STILL haven't heard you back up your statement.
Fuck it, I'll do it for you. Several people on here have stated, some of them quite succinctly, and with good reasons (like they've been riding thirty years without a crash) that wrecks are NOT inevitable.
You, in your infinite squid wisdom, disagree, and instead of a simple "wrecks are inevitable, and here's why" you post up some dumb gnomic basement philosophy bullshit about wrecks being part of the sport.
They most definitely don't have to be. I've known people that have ridden for decades without incident.
I believe MOST people that ride SS will eventually suffer a crash at some point, but not all of them. I actually have statistics to back me up. What do YOU have? Nothing but the strength your internet anonymity gives you to make disparaging comments. So just keep quiet, lest you make yourself sound more self righteous than you already do.

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Look , I've known plenty of you internet tough guys. All you do is hurl insults, call names, and denigrate those who disagree with you. I STILL haven't heard you back up your statement.
Fuck it, I'll do it for you. Several people on here have stated, some of them quite succinctly, and with good reasons (like they've been riding thirty years without a crash) that wrecks are NOT inevitable.
You, in your infinite squid wisdom, disagree, and instead of a simple "wrecks are inevitable, and here's why" you post up some dumb gnomic basement philosophy bullshit about wrecks being part of the sport.
They most definitely don't have to be. I've known people that have ridden for decades without incident.
I believe MOST people that ride SS will eventually suffer a crash at some point, but not all of them. I actually have statistics to back me up. What do YOU have? Nothing but the strength your internet anonymity gives you to make disparaging comments. So just keep quiet, lest you make yourself sound more self righteous than you already do.

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See the fact that you think it's tough guy bs and you contradict yourself in your own post just showcases your ignorance. All the whining and long rants won't help you understand. If you're not college educated, just give it up. The conceptual understanding of what is being said is beyond your grasp.

Let's see these "stats" you have "backing you up" tho tough guy.

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Funny because your still not saying anything.



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My last crash was in 2004. I rear ended a trailblazer that was at a dead stop on the other side if some train tracks.

You couldn't see the other side of the tracks and I knew that there shouldn't have been a vechical but there was a accident about 1/4 mile up further and it had the road backed up.

I was doing everything right but I never even considered the current events that were transpiring

As soon as I crossed the trackes. I smashed right into the truck.

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If I'm not college educated? Great argument.
Here's my last attempt:
The reason Rossi won so many championships wasn't because he constantly posted the fastest lap times. It was because he constantly finished races. You know, because he didn't crash out. Fact...look it up.
And if he can go whole seasons without crashing out of a race, there is no reason why we should be crashing on the street. Not factoring in cars of course. Most single vehicle crashes on SS bikes bikes are a result of too much speed. Also a fact. Put the two together.
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The last time I checked, crashing, wrecking, whatever you want to call it, are still part of this little thing called "accidents". No one ever wants to be involved in an accident, but you have to be prepared for it. Thinking, "it won't happen to me" is ignorant, but thinking "it's definitely going to happen" isn't exactly accurate either. The more risks we take, our chances of having an accident increase as well. I know every day I start the bike, cage, jet ski, whatever, I don't say "let's wreck this bitch". I do plan ahead in case it does happen though. Seat belt, leathers, life jacket, whatever improves my chances of survival.

At any rate...accidents aren't inevitable. They do happen though.

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I am going to skip all the "billy badass" internet tough guy stuff and go right to the original subject.

I am a perfect case study in the subject and here is why:

I have been riding since 1985 and have logged several hundred thousand miles on motorcycles. That's 29 years for the mathematically challenged. I have never crashed on the street.

I have been racing now since 2010, im on my 5th season. I have crashed while on the track somewhere around 8 or 9 times.

This alone should give you an indicator of how this thing works.

When I am on the street I never ride anywhere near my limit. I *always* have some braking, acceleration, or lean angle in reserve to get me out of potential trouble.

Also, I am hyper-aware on the streets. Not only do I watch for cars, road debris, etc but I also make sure not to put myself in a position of potential danger. I check for blind spots. I watch the front wheels of cars that I am riding alongside to see if they begin drifting or changing lanes, etc.

I assume that every other vehicle out on the road is trying to kill me. The result is a whole lot of close calls and no crashes on the street.

On the racetrack it is my job to push the limits. Sometimes you go over and there isnt much you can do at that point. As someone said, crashing is a part of the sport HOWEVER that sport is RACING, not riding on the streets.

Is crashing on the streets 100% avoidable? Hell no. There will always be that freak accident that comes out of nowhere. What *is* possible is to drastically mitigate the risk of crashing by keen observation and a healthy respect for your bike and your own skills.


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If I'm not college educated? Great argument.
Here's my last attempt:
The reason Rossi won so many championships wasn't because he constantly posted the fastest lap times. It was because he constantly finished races. You know, because he didn't crash out. Fact...look it up.
And if he can go whole seasons without crashing out of a race, there is no reason why we should be crashing on the street. Not factoring in cars of course. Most single vehicle crashes on SS bikes bikes are a result of too much speed. Also a fact. Put the two together.
I'm done.

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You are NOT Rossi. LMFAO. Not even close. Comparing yourself to him further proves my point that you're not intelligent enough to be in this conversation. I REALLY hope you're done. Move on and conserve what's left of your dignity
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Your college education did very little for your reading comprehension skills. At no point did I compare myself to Rossi. I used him as an example to show that crashing is not necessarily part of the sport. Attempting to avoid crashing is...that is what makes a good rider.
There is no talking to you at all. Typical of folks like you. Twisting words and inferring what you like in order to make yourself sound like your arguments are valid.
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