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Are wrecks inevitable?

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While it may not quite be INEVITABLE, it is HIGHLY PROBABLE that any rider will experience some sort of accident the longer they ride. Ironically, a rider is at greatest risk of having an accident when they first begin riding due to inexperience. Conversely, as you gain experience you continually add to your time exposed to risk, meaning that while you have more experience to use to avoid accidents you are increasing number of opportunities for an accident to occur.

The only certain way to guard against having a motorcycle accident is to not ride. Period. If you choose to ride, you must realize that there is always the risk of an accident, be it big or small, serious or minor, your fault or not.

There. Now, that said, you do a lot to avoid accidents. Here are the main things that come to mind:

1) Training: Take ALL that you can find and then take some more. Start with the MSF courses, take them all and then find more courses to take, anything from track classes to dirt classes to advanced street riding classes to wheelie classes. Any serious, guided, organized, safety minded instruction only adds to your experience and skill set and does so in a controlled environment that allows you to be relatively safe while learning, unlike the street where, if you find that you need to do something that you've never done before, you won't get but one chance to get it right without real consequences.

2) Training: See # 1.

3) Follow at a great distance: Leave as much following distance as you can stand when riding behind other vehicles. The more space you leave, the more time you have to react to any issues coming from the vehicles ahead. If you're on their bumper and they drive into an accident, you'll be in the same accident, whereas if you're 12 seconds back, when they drive into an accident you'll calmly pull over to a safe area, call 911 and lend a hand to those in the accident. Riding with greater following distances also allows you to get a good look at the road surface and provides you with plenty of time to avoid those giant potholes or spilled fluids that would otherwise end your ride.

3a) Ride in space: When riding in traffic, create the largest cushion of space possible between you and all other vehicles. Doing so will make it easier for them to see you and give you more time to react to anything unexpected that they might do.

4) Do NOT ride IMPAIRED: If you drink, do drugs, are taking medication, sleep deprived or doing ANYTHING that may affect your mind or body, just don't ride. Riding safely requires that your mind and body both be sharp and healthy. Anything that negatively affects your perception, judgment, reaction time, ability to think, etc. should tell you to stay off the bike until you’re clean and clear. Riding impaired is a GREAT way to find an accident.

5) Avoid riding in the rain: Motorcycles enjoy many advantages over other vehicles including acceleration, maneuverability and vision. In the rain, many of those same advantages become liabilities due to lose of traction and our lack of windshield wipers and protection from the elements. Acceleration and maneuverability are instantly reduced greatly due to lack of traction and our vision is immediately compromised by the rain and fogging on our helmets/windscreens/glasses. In addition, we become much less visible to the other vehicles on the road.

6) Avoid riding at night: Why? One word: Deer. Or whatever critters you have that are local to the area and much more active at night. Animals are the one thing that we really have no good strategy to defend against. They can appear anywhere at anytime and once spotted you cannot reliably predict their movements/behavior. While animals can certainly be encountered even during the height of the daylight hours, between from dusk until dawn there is far more danger posed by the activities of our wilderness friends.

6a) If you get caught riding at night, choose the largest/most heavily travelled roads you can. Those lesser travelled great two lane roads with the twisties that cut through scenic undeveloped lands are MUCH more likely to animals that are out and about after dark. The larger roads with their noisy traffic, lights and fencing have a much lower probability for an animal encounter.

7) Ride slower. Riding motorcycles fast is easy...and dangerous. The faster you go, the less time you have to react to anything in front of you, including cross traffic, unexpected lane changers, red light runners, stop sign runners, arrogant pedestrians, driveway demons, left turners, double parkers, sudden brakers, crossing deer, decreasing radius corners, sand on your line, etc. It sucks, but the faster you go, the less time you have to be safe. As a new rider, it's PARTICULARLY important to keep the speeds down as new riders generally do not have the experience needed to make informed judgments "speed flexibility".

8) Maintain your ride: If doesn't work right/isn't reliable, then it's an accident waiting to happen. It's tough enough to ride safe with a bike in perfect condition, last thing ya need is to give yourself a handicap by riding a questionable machine. Do it yourself or pay to have it done right, but don't ride a sub-standard machine.

9) ATGATT (All The Gear All The Time): Gear up. IF something happens, there is no question that you want to be over-dressed rather than under-dressed. Less than 5% of motorcycle accidents are fatal but over 85% involve injury. If you're not dressed for it, you'll be in that painful 85%. The closer you are to ATGATT, the better your chances are of being in the 15% that walk away with nothing more than a story to share at the next rally or bike night or on your favorite internet forum.

10) Ride for yourself: Ride b/c you love it. Period. Any other reason is missing the point and distracting while riding. Do not ride to impress anyone. EVER. That includes girls. Yes, even the hot girls! It also includes parents, friends, siblings, co-workers, etc. The second you ride to impress, you run the risk of worrying more about how what you're doing looks to others and less about if what you're doing is smart or safe. Do not ride for gas mileage or the low up front cost of bikes. For most folks, in the long run, cars are cheaper and provide greater utility and are safer. The ONLY reason to ride is because you simply love it. Period.

For some interesting info regarding motorcycle accident stats, check this out: Motorcycle Accident Statistics - webBikeWorld

Here are conclusions from the report:
• Helmet use among fatally injured motorcyclists below 50 percent
• More motorcyclist fatalities are occurring on rural roads
• High blood alcohol levels are a major problem among motorcycle operators
• Half of the fatalities are related to negotiating a curve prior to the crash
• Over 80 percent of the fatalities occur off roadway
• Undivided roadways account for a majority of the fatalities
• Almost two thirds of the fatalities were associated with speeding as an operator contributing factor in the crash
• Almost 60 percent of motorcyclist fatalities occur at night
• Collision with a fixed object is a significant factor in over half of the fatalities
• Braking and steering maneuvers possibly contribute for almost 25 percent of the fatalities
• More riders age 40 and over are getting killed
• Almost one third of the fatally injured operators did not have a proper license
Based on the above conclusions, look at what you can EASILY do to lower your odds of being in a fatal accident:

1) Wear a helmet.
2) Don't drink and ride.
3) Treat corners with respect. Better to go in too slow than too fast.
4) Keep speed down.
5) Don't ride at night.
6) Get a license.

Again, the only way to ensure against a motorcycle accident is to simply not ride but if you do ride, there is a LOT you can do to stack the odds in your favor, both in terms of avoiding accidents and surviving them well if they do occur.

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great post
lots of good info, this should be in the new riders section it's a good read

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Ehh, Too long..Had to hit the page down button I'll read it later..*assuming* thanks for the informative article

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Great post Joshua, moved for the new members and stickied
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Great post Joshua, moved for the new members and stickied
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Thanks I found it on a local forum here in Houston, and thought it would be a good idea to share it with everyone. sorry for posting in the wrong section
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So no coke lines on the gas tank at stop lights or sipping my flask? Man... Charlie Sheen will never go riding with me again now.....
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Think of it kinda like this. You start out with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. Trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is empty.
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Think of it kinda like this. You start out with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. Trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is empty.

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Although experience can lead to over confidence and pushing your luck and we all know where that leads!
The only way to make sure you never ever crash is stay in bed and off the roads! Unfortunately there are people out there that shouldn't be!
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Although experience can lead to over confidence and pushing your luck and we all know where that leads!
The only way to make sure you never ever crash is stay in bed and off the roads! Unfortunately there are people out there that shouldn't be!
What happens when you fall out of bed and break your arm

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Great post. Most of it is common sense, but that ain't so common anymore.
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wtf. this article is for pussies.

dont ride at night?
are you serious? be careful of corners....blah blah blah....lol. you might as well not own a bike if you are that scared to ride it. jesus what has this world become when we are so scared to ride?

if you are that scared, dont ride. get rid of your bike....if you ride with no fear you will never die
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wtf. this article is for pussies.

dont ride at night?
are you serious? be careful of corners....blah blah blah....lol. you might as well not own a bike if you are that scared to ride it. jesus what has this world become when we are so scared to ride?

if you are that scared, dont ride. get rid of your bike....if you ride with no fear you will never die
It's in the New riders and members section buddy.. I don't know about you but I know a lot of times people buy these bikes not fully understanding the capabilities of the machine they just purchased then they go out and hurt themselves. And sorry to break it to you, everyone dies, no matter how little fear you ride with.

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Since i am new, i found this very informative! I go out practicing without wearing my jackett, i think i am going to think twice about that! Great advice
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Think of it kinda like this. You start out with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. Trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is empty.
Good analogy!

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Since i am new, i found this very informative! I go out practicing without wearing my jackett, i think i am going to think twice about that! Great advice
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Ehh, Too long..Had to hit the page down button I'll read it later..*assuming* thanks for the informative article
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So no coke lines on the gas tank at stop lights or sipping my flask? Man... Charlie Sheen will never go riding with me again now.....
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Good post, interesting read.
I'll ride with Charlie any day. How's the truck shopping coming or are you lookin at studs for the bike instead?

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Think of it kinda like this. You start out with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. Trick is to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is empty.
Awesome analogy! I'm theiving this one!

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Although experience can lead to over confidence and pushing your luck and we all know where that leads!
The only way to make sure you never ever crash is stay in bed and off the roads! Unfortunately there are people out there that shouldn't be!
I was thinking the same thing about experience leading to overconfidence!



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"On a long enough time line the survival rate for everyone drops to zero" oh shit nice knowing u guys
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Good info on that post. Most points should always be followed. Some points should definately be followed by new riders. New riders should avoid riding in the rain and at night until they get comfortable with their riding and their machine. Riding in the rain and at night are dangerous, however at some point one needs to have experience riding in the rain and at night to become more proficient at riding. Someone who never rides in the rain gets caught in a suprise rain, has a greater chance of wrecking due to inexperience. I'm not suggesting you go ride in a hurricane or ride unnecessarily in the rain, but some rain experience is good. Its a double edge sword; it gives you experience, but you also have a higher chance of wrecking.

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Good post a little long but good information.
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That was a good post. I feel you take a chance anytime you get in or operate any type of vehicle. The biggest difference is you are more like to get hurt in a car than a bike. Another thing I notice about more experienced riders is they get a little too confident sometimes and lose respect for the bike, but with new riders they tend to be more cautious in fear of getting into an accident
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That was a good post. I feel you take a chance anytime you get in or operate any type of vehicle. The biggest difference is you are more like to get hurt in a car than a bike. Another thing I notice about more experienced riders is they get a little too confident sometimes and lose respect for the bike, but with new riders they tend to be more cautious in fear of getting into an accident
Unless you are some 16 year old with a I'm God mentality, then you will more than likely die. Troof. Speaking of 16 year olds, what happened to YoshiBlaise? or whatever his name was..

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New rider. great idea to keep training. Great post
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Good post a little long but good information.
Good. Post me sum cliff notes then.

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Unless you are some 16 year old with a I'm God mentality, then you will more than likely die. Troof. Speaking of 16 year olds, what happened to YoshiBlaise? or whatever his name was..
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Good article with some very good suggestions. I have ridden over 27 years and have been lucky, as I haven't been run over or hit someone else (yet). I am a sometimes paranoid rider that doesn't trust anyone. I keep a good distance from others and rarely take risks.

Accidents aren't necessarily inevitable, but they happen more often when you take too many risks in traffic. I have seen some bite it when they could have avoided it. I am by no means Mr Clean, but I do recommend that you think before you try something too ignorant.
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As a new rider and owner I really enjoyed reading this and the information I got from it. Thanks for having shared this so us new riders can become aware of things we might have thought about but never really payed much attention to.

I too am a paranoid driver and find that when I ride my brain and eyes are scanning my surroundings very fast. Usually when I ride for a long time mental fatigue hits me as soon as I get home. In Cali we can split the lane/lane share and I do it only between lanes 1 and 2, or carpool and 1st lane, when traffic gets bad but my rule if thumb is to only go 15-20 miles faster than slow moving traffic. When a faster moving rider comes up behind me I move over and let them by. I need to get home to my wife and kids

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on a long enough timeline, the survival rate is always zero.
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good info but some just cant be avoided, like when cars come around blind turns in your lane and all you have is a wall to run into and a cliff on the other side of the wall
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good info but some just cant be avoided, like when cars come around blind turns in your lane and all you have is a wall to run into and a cliff on the other side of the wall
I've been hit by a car, and crashed a bike 8 times now... :( I push myself and my abilities too hard at times, and make stupid mistakes.
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The longer you ride the more chance you have of crashing... thanks captain obvious, that's the same as saying if you handle snakes your chance of getting bitten is better.

Good advise however besides the gear I believe there is nothing you can do to avoid an accident. It's called an accident for a reason. When it happens it happens, its the way you react at that time that saves your life.

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