First service done at 376 miles on 1000r should i get another oil change at 600-1000 miles?

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Gsx87

Hello,

Curious if i should plan on doing an oil change in the next few hundred miles?

i had my bikes first service done at 376 miles last week, i would probably have done it later but had a 300 mile ride on sunday and didnt want to chance going over the 600 mile mark. I wouldnt have been able to get another slot with dealer till end of next month and by chance they had a cancellation and i took it up.

Prior to service i ran my bike in not full on hard but not soft either, i more or less stayed upto 7krpm maybe odd 8-9krpm run and made sure i let engine braking do alot of work and built up more and more throttle input gradually.

after my oil change probably over 400 miles on bike at this point i revved it harder and some runs to 10-11krpm. While i was on way to meet everyone before ride.

I know suzuki say 10krpm is ok after 600 miles, i would think after my first service it would be ok with 400 miles on bike and to be fair later on the same day i was over 500 miles when riding quick with nice blasts maybe hit higher in revs 12k maybe (300 mile day)

my thoughts are bike was probably pretty much run in upto my first service ( so ok for dealers to use semi synthetic) but maybe theres more swarf or metal to shed from gears etc that a 600 mile service would have drained but me doing it at 376 miles might have been too early and not all was ready to come of bits inside.

Maybe im overthinking it but i read too much lol and have always been stuck in middle with break in styles following manual or motoman style i think others call it?

Thanks sorry for long read

edit 680 miles on now
Dealer used motul 5100 semi synthetic at 376 mile service

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Ozsyd600

· #2 · 6 d ago

I wouldn’t think that you’d get any extra bits of swarf at this point. The rpm limits and throttle openings for run in are more for making sure things like rings wear in nicely in the bores.

I’d you’re worried about it, go to a dealer and grab another OEM oil filter and the same oil and do another change.

Disclaimer: I’ve never bought a new bike so above is pure speculation. Happy to be educated by those with more knowledge.

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Chango

· #3 · 6 d ago

You aren't the first person to redline your bike. They test every engine they build at the factory before it gets put in a bike.

Ride it like you want to, another oil change this soon is doing nothing for anybody but the mechanic at the dealership.

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Jimmy boy

· #4 · 6 d ago

If you baby it to much the rings won’t seat. Basically don’t hold rpm in Same place . Always vary the rpm .
‘Oil is cheap and I change mine often. Which is why my bike has over a 180,000 on it.
I use good oil and oem filters

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QRO

· #5 · 6 d ago

Gsx87 said:
Hello,

Curious if i should plan on doing an oil change in the next few hundred miles?

i had my bikes first service done at 376 miles last week, i would probably have done it later but had a 300 mile ride on sunday and didnt want to chance going over the 600 mile mark. I wouldnt have been able to get another slot with dealer till end of next month and by chance they had a cancellation and i took it up.

Prior to service i ran my bike in not full on hard but not soft either, i more or less stayed upto 7krpm maybe odd 8-9krpm run and made sure i let engine braking do alot of work and built up more and more throttle input gradually.

after my oil change probably over 400 miles on bike at this point i revved it harder and some runs to 10-11krpm. While i was on way to meet everyone before ride.

I know suzuki say 10krpm is ok after 600 miles, i would think after my first service it would be ok with 400 miles on bike and to be fair later on the same day i was over 500 miles when riding quick with nice blasts maybe hit higher in revs 12k maybe (300 mile day)

my thoughts are bike was probably pretty much run in upto my first service ( so ok for dealers to use semi synthetic) but maybe theres more swarf or metal to shed from gears etc that a 600 mile service would have drained but me doing it at 376 miles might have been too early and not all was ready to come of bits inside.

Maybe im overthinking it but i read too much lol and have always been stuck in middle with break in styles following manual or motoman style i think others call it?

Thanks sorry for long read

edit 680 miles on now
Dealer used motul 5100 semi synthetic at 376 mile service

Yep, keep changing the oil.

The first oil is a thinner running in oil out of the factory. It's best to keep that in for the full first 1000km, for bedding in purposes, but I doubt it is a big deal and not a bad decision in your situation. The swap you just did will not have cleared that all out yet.

My son bought a brand new bike recently and he (we) discussed optimum change and usage pattern. He had to push the revs a bit because it's a small capacity bike anyway, but the guidance is not to rev it at certain engine speeds 'for long periods', not an outright restriction, I guess recognising that you sometimes need to get to 50 mph on roads! (Which was beyond the recommended rev limit in top).

The oil looked very dirty to me after just 400 miles (I am particular about my oil, though), but 'thinned' and looked considerably cleaner when it got hot. I am pretty sure that stuff was doing its job and bedding in the clutch and flushing all the manufacturing stuff. I would want to do 'several' changes after that, not just the odd one.

Personally, I'd probably do 3 oil changes each 1000km, filter change at 1000km and 3000km skin 2000km. It's so easy to change just the oil, and really not much oil, so if you don't 'really' want to change it, at least change the oil. It's designed so you can replace the oil without removing the fairings. 5 min job. Do that at least.

Get the 'official' changes done at the dealer, all stamped up for the warranty, and just do the 'extra' changes yourself, no-one else needs to know/be involved.

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HydeWhyte

· #6 · 6 d ago

I did my 1st oil & filter change at 500 miles (manual called for 600) and then also did the 600 mile service, which was just to help wash out any metal shavings that might have been in it (and yes there were some shavings on the magnetic drain-plug both times). Did another at 1200 then again at 2500. All of these were with the Suzuki R5000 conventional oil. I'm also a holder to the hot-cool cycle method, so I got in a lot of cycles of heating the engine up and then letting it cool down to help break it in. I also made sure to hold to the manual spec'd RPM limits at said mileages. I just figured the mfgr knows a little about their engines and it couldn't hurt to heed their advice.

At 2500 miles, after the engine was fully broken-in, I switched to the R9000 full-synthetic and have been using full synthetic ever since.

And not that it matters but Moore Mafia is also a proponent of the hot-cool cycle engine break-in method (as I just found out yesterday watching some of his vids) but the reason I did it was because the dealer I bought the bike from recommended it. I wonder what Yammi Newb thinks, lol

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Gsx87

Discussion Starter · #7 · 6 d ago

Thanks for replies, i probably will consider doing another oil change soon, hopefully rings had bedded in enough before semi synthetic went in and bike will be ok with some of the higher revs ive been hitting those were my main concerns.

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MadisonMotorsportUK

· #8 · 4 d ago

It'll be 'reet lad. Stop fretting. Get oil and filter changed again at around 1000 miles then every 3000 after that.

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Gsx87

Discussion Starter · #9 · 3 d ago (Edited)

Yeah i know i overthink everything lol will do another oil change shortly, ive been doing more reading on rings bedding in and it seems like they happen alot quicker than most of us think, so i cant see any problems running synthetic oils much earlier.

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HydeWhyte

· #10 · 3 d ago

Gsx87 said:
Yeah i know i overthink everything lol will do another oil change shortly, ive been doing more reading on rings bedding in and it seems like they happen alot quicker than most of us think, so i can see any problems running synthetic oils much earlier.

Synthetic just slows wear on the engine & might take a tad longer to break-in good. If it isn't running bad you're golden.

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QRO

· #11 · 3 d ago

Gsx87 said:
Yeah i know i overthink everything lol will do another oil change shortly, ive been doing more reading on rings bedding in and it seems like they happen alot quicker than most of us think, so i can see any problems running synthetic oils much earlier.

I've just bought some more of the semi-synthetic that I put in my bike originally and had good gear shifting. It's become less good in the lower gears, I am thinking it's the fully syth oil I moved to.

I think a good brand of semi-synthetic might be better for bikes, after all it is not just the engine it has to lubricate, also got to suit the gearbox and clutch. We ask a lot of the oil. So easy to change, I think cheaper (semi-synth) oil changed often is best.

It's not overthinking it, like putting petrol in the tank once in a while is not overthinking it.

If the fully synth means the engine lasts 200k miles instead of 100k miles, but the gearbox lasts 50k miles instead of 100k ... is that what you want? Are our bikes really going to see the sort of mileages where fully synth makes any difference to engine wear? They aren't cars.

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Gsx87

Discussion Starter · #12 · 3 d ago

Ive never noticed synthetic causing odd gear changes on previous bikes ive ran it in, tuono only recommended fully syn, gsxs 1000 and gsxr 600 both had fully syn and seemed ok.

I was just concerned running part synthetic earlier than 600 miles in my current bike, dealer seemed to think it was fine at 376 miles

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QRO

· #13 · 3 d ago

I didn't notice for a few thousand miles either. It's very subtle. Maybe so subtle I might be imagining it, so that's why I am going to swap back to see.

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