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This is a post with all the info you should ever possibly want about opinions on what size bike is right for you, or what size bike you should buy to learn on. These discussions go on about once a week, so you can read through all these threads first before posting the same question.
If anybody has anything else to add, then please do, but remember, no flaming. :thumbup:

http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=3395

http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=3340

http://www.gsxr.com/showthread.php?t=3278
 

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Why Not A Sport Bike As a First Bike?

Before reading this, Know that I did not type it and in NO way am I taking credit for it. Its something That I found on another forum I am a Member of that I believe to be very informative.

"After a rash of posts about what bike to get as a first bike, and a lot of posts defending the reasoning behind "only a 600" or "having respect", or "too big to ride a small bike"....

Why not a GSXR/R6/ZXR/CBR/996 etc?

Well, I am not sure that the fact that these are "only 600's" means a great deal, they are seen as "slow" by newer riders, and therefore easier to master than the 1000cc versions. Many people have said that they feel a 750 would be fine.

I guess that your idea of slow, is a fair bit different to mine. My idea of slow is something that accelerates like, say, a Geo Metro, not something that accelerates faster than a Dodge Viper.

Lets face it, the modern 600 is faster than a 750 of six or seven years ago, in a straight line, up to about 130mph.......

Six years ago the 750 class was in the middle of open warefare season, the (then new) SRAD 750 was the king of the beasts, trouncing the CBR900RR, and the FZR1000 or Chunderace) and destroying everything else in its path. Not just in a straight line either, but the 96 SRAD was a marvellous corner carver.

In its day, it was brutal - it still is, wild head shakes, inadvertant wheelies, and an utterly brutal rush beyond 10K RPM.

The latest 600's whilst just as fast, are only slightly more civilised, the power is not as brutal, but there is still a huge rush, and on the dyno they are only a couple of HP short of the benchmark.

So the power of the latest 600's is amazing, there is frankly more than 99% of people can use, and more than anyone can need on the street - on the track its a different matter, but we are talking street bikes here.....

Its not just the power either, its the power delivery.

These bikes are race-bikes with lights, or at least they are very, very similar to race bikes. In order to be competative in racing, where modifications are minimal, the engines are tuned to be very "racer friendly". The throttle response beyond a few thousand revs is instant, this is great if you are on a track, but merely OK on the road. If you are heavy-handed, it can be very dangerous. The MSF course teaches you to roll on the throttle in a curve, to a newr rider, rolling on is just that, add 1/4 turn maybe ? Well with a modern sports bike 1/4 turn is FULL throttle. Rolling on on these bikes means may 1/32nd of a turn - if that.

This is not a nice trait - you have just gone from 20hp to 80hp in the blink of an eye, and you lowsided - if you are lucky- into the scenery.

So, handling is the next problem.

These bikes are race bikes with lights, this means that they are super-fast handling. In fact they are astonishingly nervous, in order to make they turn fast, they are set-up to respond to minute inputs, and this is another major issue for a new rider. A new rider will not have the subltly of input that the bike needs, rather than push the bars, you apply a slight pressure, and the bike sails into the bends, push on the bars hard, and it becomes all nervous and unsettled, and again, the new rider may be lucky to get through the bend.

Obviously this will not be a good thing - to an experienced rider these bikes feel planted, and predictable, for a new rider, they feel horrible, and your confidence takes a hit.

Ok - Brakes

Again, these bikes are similar to race bikes. One of the few places that they differ is in the braking department. The brake pads have to last a little longer than race compound ones, so they are a little less brutal than those on a racer, also they have rubber hoses, which have a little "give" in them, making it harder to lock the fronts.

But, they are still eye-poppingly good, its possible to stand any of these bikes on its nose, at really, really high speeds, assumning you are hard enough on the brakes.

Then there is the rear brake, and again this is overly efficient, all too easy to lock it, all to easy to high-side as a result of the locked brake.

Repair costs.

As they are race replica's they comer covered in expensive plastic. Each side is $600 or more. A slow-speed drop could easily cost you over $1000 just in plastic bits. Add to that the normal "consumables" and you are in the $1300 range for a 10mph spill.

Combine all of these factors, and I hope that you see why a sportsbike is not a good first bike.

It has exactly the wrong set of characteristics for a new rider to learn to ride. Its too fast, too responsive, too twitchy, too nervous, the brakes are too sharp and they cost a lot to fix.

I'm not going to tell you that you should not get one (I'm not your mother), just that you need to bear in mind that these bikes belong in the "expert class", not the "new rider" one."
-fRaGgle

Any Chance of this being made a Sticky?
 

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I feel its kind of ignorant when some one asks you what size bike you have and they dont even ride, then you get the why do you only have a 600 and not a 1000 did you just start riding. I have been riding bikes all my life and I have a 600 and I love it. The power is right and the bike feels great. 05 GSXR600 = over hundred horsepower off the showroom floor and bike wieghts in at just over 300 pounds. Thats fighter jet performance.
 

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im glad to see more people are interested in buying a motorcycle , even more so a sport bike... but i think it can be a bad misteak to buy too much bike too soon..a lot of them are asking "what size do i need" or " is a 1000 ok to learn on if i go easy"...if this was ok do you think suzuki would bother to include "....the gsxr is designed for experianced riders..." in there ads for the bikes??? im not trying to parent any one who is looking to buy , thats there choice what they buy, but i do highly rec they realisticly evaluate there ability and riding exp and not buy something on a ego trip thinking ...its only a 600 thats too slow ...ill do ok on a 1k.." and also if its a first bike i highly rec a motorcycle riders coarse, or even if you have some exp its still a good idea.. ive been riding over 22 years and took a class @10 years ago with a friend who was interested in riding and still found it interesting and yes even learned from it..plus the ins discount is nice!..so what ever bike you do get just use common sence and have fun!
 

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I feel its kind of ignorant when some one asks you what size bike you have and they dont even ride, then you get the why do you only have a 600 and not a 1000 did you just start riding. I have been riding bikes all my life and I have a 600 and I love it. The power is right and the bike feels great. 05 GSXR600 = over hundred horsepower off the showroom floor and bike wieghts in at just over 300 pounds. Thats fighter jet performance.

right on dude!!!!!
 

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Couldn't have said it better. People need to buy a used bike first to get a feel for it and to learn on, also to find what they like/dislike in a bike. Going out and buying a sportbike for their first bike just to be cool, isn't! It takes time to develop skills and the know how to riding a bike safely.
 

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new rider?????????

Hey im a farely new rider but i have had a cruiser for 5 years. Remember the cops will win and never try anything your not sure about
I had my gsrx 600 for an hour before it got impouned. yeah impounded!!! Keep both tires on the ground at all times until you have mastered riding first.


remember you have to crowl before you can walk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :thumbup: :bowdown: for you being a new rider
 

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hey folks

ive had a provisional license for erm about 5 years (im 22) and im pretty much set on gettin a gsxr600 or maybe 750 depending on how much the insurance is
gonna sting me.

im 6'2 and weigh in at 70kg (yea im a skinny boy)
ive run the adrenaline fuelled push it as hard as i can dealio out of my system (thanks to a few VERY close calls)

i think id be more than capable of riding a bike like this safely without crashing *fingers crossed*

i got work right now but im gonna have a read thru all the nooby help threads when i get a chance


nice one fellerz :thumbup:
 

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I am also a newbee to the bike scene. Before I did my homework on all different types of bikes I was going to buy a GSXR 1000 or a BUSA. Tell you what, I just bought a 2005 GSXR 600 and I am convinced that anyone with as little riding experience that i had, should not get anything bigger than this. I was a complete moron thinking that I would be able to handle a 1000 as my first bike. Honestly, the 600 had enough power to do anything that you could possibly want to on the street without going to jail, or worse yet, not living long enough to go to jail. To all that have any doubts about a 600 not having enough power, please reconsider. I love my 600 and would not trade it in for the world, however, I have respect for it because I know that all it takes is one mistake and it could all be over. Allways wear your gear, especially your helmet. Its not about looking cool, its about safety evertime that you get on the bike, looking cool is just a byproduct. And about the safety course, whether or not you consider yourself to be a good rider, it is an excellent idea to take the course because of all the information that you can learn that might just keep you safe for that much longer.
 

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im a new one to this site

first off I'd like to say hi to everyone and hope I'm welcome here, well I am a first year out biker, I bought a brand new 04 gsxr600 and had it for a while and loved it i love the machine and just dumped it a week ago doin a wheelie, luckily im here and im ok and the bike is gone but im safe. I am thinkin of another bike but i was reading some f peoples posts and It's helped me sort of becuase everyone is a fan of 600's and i thought my next bike should be a 1000, every9ones sayin why not get a 1000 so i dunno, the money yea its expensive, maybe I should stick with a 600 or 750? but im deff into suzuki alot I like it, maybe kawasaki the new ones but not really hondas or yamaha?
anyways please feel free to help me out with some feedback and opinions my aim sn is goldenpimp10 or you can email on this thankyou
 

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Hey just my .02 I have a 05 GSXR 1000 and I love it but it really aint for everyone Ill admit it is really to much for the street. How often to you find the need to power whellie at 90mph or hold 2nd up to 120mph for that mater. Something to remember at least on the 1K things come to life at about 40mph the time between 40mph and 100mph plus aint much so any accedent at the speeds this thing pulls to in a unreal rush is going to be bad. Like some of the other post here you will here that the 600 is plently and there is alot of truth to that not because it is slower but because it is a good balance of power,handling and size. what ever you decide use your head and make your decision based on your skill leval dont get in over your head. Many riders with more skill choose the 600 for the reasons stated above and run just as quick as the 1ks.
 

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Riders with mediocre skills on 600's can outrun morons on 1000's all day long. I do it all the time at the track. And one guy I know rides an SV650 and if we were in the same group (I'm in intermediate and he's advanced) he would be lapping me several times per session. Just another case of the rider, not the machine... If you can't pass me with a 600, you sure as hell won't pass me with a 1000. Unless the straight is more than half a mile long, I will always stay in front of you because I can get around the turns faster and I can get ALL of my power down much much sooner on a 600. I may be shifting like crazy, but I kind of like shifting. If I didn't like to shift gears I would go out and buy a car with an automatic or something.
 

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I've owned 2 600's and now have a 750. I miss my 600!! The 600 IMO is the perfect sized bike. I do love my 750, but if I had it to do over I would've gotten another 600. There isn't a whole lot of difference between the two...........but there's enough to make me want a 600 again. Hell, I would'nt even think about a 1k and I've been riding for 5 years. Most people who know about bikes and riding will tell you that a 600 is perfect for anyone. Too many people get a 1000 because the number is bigger and they don't know shit about motorcycles.
 

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Open to suggestions...

ok here's my dilemma, i've been in Iraq for almost 10 months now and it's getting time for me to head for the house. And of course i'm looking to spend my hard earned money on a GSXR. i've kinda been out of the bike loop for awhile. i've ridden alot of bikes and the GSXR is by far my favorite. so i have a little experience under my belt (not much but a little) but i've never owned my own bike so i never really did any of the dumb shit a guy would do on his own bike. from what i've read the 600 is ideal for everything i'm gonna need. but the thing is i don't forsee me doing too much dumb shit on the bike i buy. i've had enough near death experiences in the last year to last a life time. so as far as for long rides and just plain cruizin i'd like to know what would be good for me. i'm thinkin 750 now cuz it seems like the 600 is WAY to fun. some suggestions would be GREAT and much appreciated. One more question i'm in much dissaproval of the single headlight on the newer GSXR's and was curious if there was an aftermarket front fairing to swap and give you twin headlights... and one more thing what the fuck was suzuki thinking on the 06' models and that stubby ass exhaust....Feel free to contact me on my yahoo messenger my SN is infantry_man3000
 

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Gsxr 600 or 750

Heres my thought i am a very new rider with the worst luck possible. about 4 months ago i got gsxr 600 aniv edition loved every second of it never had been on a bike before that. now i did take the mra course which was great recommend it for new riders i count about 8 times its saved my life i never do anything dumb and the way i see it if ur safe rider there nothin wrong with startin with the 600. now heres the bad luck part got stolen twice man if i would ahve caught the guys they prob be dead right now but anywase ive been off a bike now for about 1 month and was takin a look def do not want a 1000 no point at all however i have been lookin at the 750's and cant make up my mind ive been doin alot of readin and what not even so i still cant make up my mind :headshake so guys let me know send me info a bit more i loved the way my 600 besides those gay ass color seats it handled great and great balance :thumbup:
 

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What kind of riding do you do "Be honest with yourself" weekend racer,cruser or a little street fun, low speed less than 60mph " In town" faster speeds more than 60mph " Highway" or do you just like the look of one over the other?
Where do you ride.The salt flats or mountian roads,somthing in the middle?
Whats the price difference?
What is the HP difference?
What is the weight difference?
Is money a issue ?
just a few things to think about.
wich ever you decide use that thing on your neck for somthing other than a hat rack. Go Gixxer and your bound to do ok. :thumbup:
 

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For long rides, a GSXR is a pain in the ass. By long rides I don't mean 20 minutes; I mean at least 3 hours. I have ridden bikes across the country before, but I wouldn't do it on a GSXR. It's not designed for that sort of thing. It's designed with the racing crouch, so you're stuck in the crouch whether you want to be or not. And your knees won't thank you for the long trip either. I've done it, and I have never been happy about doing it on a GSXR. For just getting across town, the GSXR's are liveable, but really not very good unless you're accustomed to staying in the pushup position for quite a while at a time.

Buying a bike isn't about being reasonable or objective, but you really need to ask yourself if you're willing to put up with ALL of the details involved in owning a frontline sportbike. As a wise guy once said, "No matter how good she looks, somewhere there is a guy who's tired of her shit."
 
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