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i may be new but i'm not retarded. . .you insult me with the thought of a katana...you know what they say katana's are like fat chicks fun to ride till your friends find out...
 

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I am thinking of buying a motorcycle and would like to be able to purchase a GSXR 750 when I am prepaired. I don't think i'd get the 1000 because it would just be to powerful. How long would I need to practice on a newb bike bike before I move on to the GSXR750. Would it be a good idea to practice on 2 newb bikes- like a ex250 cc first and than an ex500? I have seen plenty of videos on the net of people falling off of sport bikes and I am not looking to kill my self! Sportbikes look like a lot of fun to me. I just want to make sure I'm ready for one when I buy it. I'm 20 and around 5,10 and weigh 190+. I have no experiance riding motorcycles.
 

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Get a used bike about a 250cc Take a MSF Course. Ride it for a season put on as many miles as you can then make the next choice when the time comes. You may not want another bike or you might want a different type of bike all together buy then. You should be able to get started and learn for less than 2K then resale for at least 1K so 1K is a small price to pay for the fun and experince of a first bike.

Enjoy and learn safe dont rush your skills they will come in time.

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I am thinking of buying a motorcycle and would like to be able to purchase a GSXR 750 when I am prepaired. I don't think i'd get the 1000 because it would just be to powerful. How long would I need to practice on a newb bike bike before I move on to the GSXR750. Would it be a good idea to practice on 2 newb bikes- like a ex250 cc first and than an ex500? I have seen plenty of videos on the net of people falling off of sport bikes and I am not looking to kill my self! Sportbikes look like a lot of fun to me. I just want to make sure I'm ready for one when I buy it. I'm 20 and around 5,10 and weigh 190+. I have no experiance riding motorcycles.
smartest thing i've ever heard from a new rider :thumbup:
 

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funny you say that too. Know how many soldiers have died after coming back home?

I hear it all the time, its on the news, hear it from other riders and cops. Soldier comes back from iraq after being over there for a year. Comes back and deciedes to get a sportbike or takes a friend's sportbike. Crashes and dies, on angeles crest too.

Its sad, you spend a year getting shot at and surviving over there, come back here for 3 weeks, and get killed on a motorcycle.

Don't let it get to your head man.
 

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Riders with mediocre skills on 600's can outrun morons on 1000's all day long. I do it all the time at the track. And one guy I know rides an SV650 and if we were in the same group (I'm in intermediate and he's advanced) he would be lapping me several times per session. Just another case of the rider, not the machine... If you can't pass me with a 600, you sure as hell won't pass me with a 1000. Unless the straight is more than half a mile long, I will always stay in front of you because I can get around the turns faster and I can get ALL of my power down much much sooner on a 600. I may be shifting like crazy, but I kind of like shifting. If I didn't like to shift gears I would go out and buy a car with an automatic or something.

morons huh..

well .. its only common sense that someone w/ experience on a track can take on someone on a 1K bike if there on a 600. but put an experienced rider on the 1K and dude you will never compete. them new 1K bikes almost weigh the same as lower cc gixxers.


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morons huh..

well .. its only common sense that someone w/ experience on a track can take on someone on a 1K bike if there on a 600. but put an experienced rider on the 1K and dude you will never compete. them new 1K bikes almost weigh the same as lower cc gixxers.


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the whole point of his is...well not everyone is freakin' experience. Just because your on a 1k doesn't mean you'll be faster. Do you think he'll be faster on a 1k, faster than how he's riding on his 600 right now? Maybe, maybe not. Some people are jumping on too big of bikes, while if they started small, they would be faster. I know if i prob jumped to a 1k now, i probably wouldn't be as fast as i am right now.

If you can't fuck with a 600, how do you except to be able to fuck with a 1000?

I rather ride the piss outta a "slower vehicle" ride that bitch pass 100%, than ride maybe 50% potential of a far faster vechile.

Point is, don't bite off more than you can chew. You just can't handle it, plain and simple.

I'm not saying your going to die. LIke I think i would be perfectly fine if i had a 1000. I'd prob be fine riding that sucker everyday like how I do now with my 600, without crashing or hurting myself. But would I have as much fun??? NO. I wouldn't be able to ride the 1000 as hard as I ride my 600 currently. It would pretty much be useless power to me, power that I can't use.

And like i've always said, whats the point of having something if you can't use it?
 

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I agree. My friend had a 600 cbr. I rode it for about a month got to where i could ride weelies, corner fast, then i got a gsxr 1000, I could wheelie but not at high speeds, and seemed as if the wind fucked with me more on it. Wouldn't get a 1000. I'm about to get my first bike in February. Know I'm going with a 600. Hell I can only get better.
 

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I am also new to the sportbike scene. I started out on an old kx550 cruiser and at first I was scared but I got used to everything, especially after I took the MSF course through HD, which I would recommend every1 taking. The course helps out a great deal. I am looking at getting my first sportbike this spring (either a R6 or a GSXR 600) and I am still a bit sceptacle about getting one even though I've had a years worth of experience on another bike. This thread was really a great help to my decision and may the winter fly by for us here in MI. :clap:
 

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Hi there, the only questions I seem not to have heard anyone discuss here, and it is really what I want/need to know. That is, what are the comparisons for low down/mid range torque to the 600 vs the 1000, as I do a lot of traffic work travelling to work every day, it is about 20,000Kms a year in traffic, so I really would prefer something that is easier on the stop starts and pickup to help get myself out and about and in those instances where you cannot brake or move out of the way, instant response is required sometimes from low in the range and would like to know which would be a better option. I also need this question answered carrying a pillion in the same kinds of circumstances.

So I guess I need to know if a 600 vs 1000 comparison of down low/midrange.

I currently have a 250cc Sports bike and have for over a year, travelled over 20,000Kms on it and pretty much am able to ride its brains out, just not on the road as that is stupid. I am here for a long time not just a fun time. This is also due to riding courses I have taken, cannot recommend them enough as the skills learned and practiced are much undervalued by those that just want to chuck wheelies and hang off the bike licking the tarmac to look and sound cool. I feel I am a super safe rider on the road and am very perceptive of everyone/everything around me, mainly due to the courses, but also due to my natural careful nature.

I have also ridden off rode bikes since I was 16, so I have much experience with 2 stroke power delivery of the older style of bikes and with big bores too, so I have some experience with wild power delivery, even though we are talking about different types of bikes, I would just like to know anyone’s opinion on the above if they have similar experience, as I really want to make the right decision first time round, as I am looking to keep the bike a long time.

I also don't really mind a long ride over the bars, I have often travelled 2-3hrs on my 250cc, with breaks of course, but never found too many problems with my legs etc, and also daily ride in traffic is about an hour each way.

Please note that I don't think that I am all that, and I hope I have not come across that way, I just really wanted to give everyone enough background to answer my questions honestly and openly, with some knowledge of my experience and what I am trying to achieve etc.

Regards,
Luke A Szabo…
 

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I don't think theres no need for a friggin' 1000 on the street. Theres really no need for a 600cc, 750cc or a darn sportbike if all you do is commute.

Its BS, its like saying you need the power of a corvette to drive around the streets. People are driving in friggin' honda civics...ok wait..a honda civic is fasster than a lot of cars people are driving like a damn geo or lancer. How do people like that pull it off (don't forget hybrid cars.........sloooooow)?

Think about it. A lot of people have nice cars or bikes but they are always lookin' for a "beater" car to get around town and get good gas milage. Honestly, if I worked like under 10 miles from work and didn't have to take freeways, I would take a scooter to work. Fun as hell, get 70mph a gallon, don't have to park it, and you just hop on.

I currently just have my bike as a transportation. I ride it every single day no matter the weather. A times I really wish I had something more pratical. It sucks to think I have to put all those freeway miles on the tires (flat spot), changing the oil every month and a half, just a lot of shit. I wish I had a 50cc scooter really. And an aprilia RS250. OK i wish I had a lot of things :lol:

But maybe thats just me. I love friggin' riding. I could give two shits about cars anymore. Instead, just gimme a bike for every condition and ocassion and I will be a happy man! I don't give a shit what you give me to ride, as long as I am riding!
 

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Love it...

I love reading ya BallHawk... You always make me smile with the way you put things in perspective...And you are a true biker, that's for sure.

As for bike size, I have a GSX-R1000k5 and I regret buying it... To powerful. I like to beat the shit out of a vehicle, make the engine scream, hit the rev limiter, that kind of thing. Can't really do that with the 1000 with it's 100mph 1st gear redline... I spend more time looking for the cops than actually enjoying myself... Should have bought the 600 or the 750... Plus it would have been cheaper (purchase price, insurance, etc).
 

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I'm with Vassago, I bought an '04 600 with 18 years riding experience. Plenty of power, awesome driveability. I just got a 2005 750 motor for the bike, now i'm kind of having second thoughts as to why i'm doing a swap.
 

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SILVERK5 said:
I love reading ya BallHawk... You always make me smile with the way you put things in perspective...And you are a true biker, that's for sure.

As for bike size, I have a GSX-R1000k5 and I regret buying it... To powerful. I like to beat the shit out of a vehicle, make the engine scream, hit the rev limiter, that kind of thing. Can't really do that with the 1000 with it's 100mph 1st gear redline... I spend more time looking for the cops than actually enjoying myself... Should have bought the 600 or the 750... Plus it would have been cheaper (purchase price, insurance, etc).
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Not really sure you answered my question, all you did is beat up on having a sports bike on the road. Well, unfortunately, I really like sports bikes and how they feel/ride and will not get a cruiser or a scooter as I don't like the seating position and if I did I would stick to my car.

But I do appreciate your feedback; no matter how limited it was in relation to my questions and will take it in to consideration.

I also hope that others can help out with my questions, and as for 250's, they just have crap all down low and I have been in many situations in my short time where that is a problem and potentially dangerous and is the reason why my question regarding low down to mid range torque and why that is a absolute requirement for me.

Anyways, thanks again and I hope more people can help me out.
 

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Not really sure you answered my question, all you did is beat up on having a sports bike on the road. Well, unfortunately, I really like sports bikes and how they feel/ride and will not get a cruiser or a scooter as I don't like the seating position and if I did I would stick to my car.

But I do appreciate your feedback; no matter how limited it was in relation to my questions and will take it in to consideration.

I also hope that others can help out with my questions, and as for 250's, they just have crap all down low and I have been in many situations in my short time where that is a problem and potentially dangerous and is the reason why my question regarding low down to mid range torque and why that is a absolute requirement for me.

Anyways, thanks again and I hope more people can help me out.
i think i made it plain and simple. If people can drive with a geo metro around n the street for many years...then you don't need the power of a liter bike for the "street" as in commuting. Sportbikes aren't very practical for the street to begin with, even a 600 is too much for the street. Which means.....plenty of friggin' power for the street. When rollin' around on the street you don't need all 180hp. How much percentage do you think your really using just to comute? If it helps, a v-twin has the most "usable" power for the street. Very friendly.

Like I said, I ride my 02 600 every day, it is my only vehicle in all weather conditions. Never have I ever wished I need more power while commuting. If anything I'm using a little too much for the street. Then again, i've never had to be put into a "sticky" situation, that could be due to my riding/driving habits. Keep in mind, I live in Los Angeles, CA, you've heard all the stories about the traffic and crazy drivers here.
 

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Thank you, much more useful information here, as I am sure you have figured I am hell bent on a sports bike, so I guess I should look at a V-Twin as a possibility due to more down low and smoother delivery.

Thanks for the input, I am just at the point of test riding, and I wish the problems that I have faced were caused by myself, because atleast then I could do something to change them.

Thanks for the help though, I very much appreciate it. Any advice is always helpful, like I said, I am a dirt bike boy and there is a lot of difference between the two.
 

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Thank you, much more useful information here, as I am sure you have figured I am hell bent on a sports bike, so I guess I should look at a V-Twin as a possibility due to more down low and smoother delivery.

Thanks for the input, I am just at the point of test riding, and I wish the problems that I have faced were caused by myself, because atleast then I could do something to change them.

Thanks for the help though, I very much appreciate it. Any advice is always helpful, like I said, I am a dirt bike boy and there is a lot of difference between the two.
I wasn't trying to sway you away. Wasn't trying to tell you to stay on the 250 (i can understand why you want something else now) There is a big difference between a 600 and a 1000. A lot of people use the excuse of getting a 1000 cause they need it to commute. Please don't become one of those people.

Get a bike because you want it. Sportbike isn't the most practical thing for the street, but you give up certain things for something you really want. Its just something you have to overcome and you have to find ways to work around it. You will most likely have to change your riding style depending on certain bikes. Test ride some bikes, but honestly, there really isn't a need for a 1000 just for the street.

If you want something to commute with more power, look for something comfortable. Honestly the GS500 is a pretty good bike, and I've always liked the yamaha FZR600, its still a quick bike and comfortable.

But as for low end power, all bikes lack it cause they are high reving motors (yes some rev higher than others) but compared to cars, they lack torque, and the torque compared to the hp they produce is low. Prob with any bike, you will always wish for something else on certain situations.
 

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But as for low end power, all bikes lack it cause they are high reving motors (yes some rev higher than others) but compared to cars, they lack torque, and the torque compared to the hp they produce is low. Prob with any bike, you will always wish for something else on certain situations.
Hmmm.. not sure if thats entirely true...
If its a sporty bike you want thats more for "street," something like the fizzers would be a great choice. The fizzer6 (Yamaha FZ6 for the n00bs =P) have the same engine as the R6 but tuned for more "everyday" use. More low-midrange torque as opposed to the higher revs of the gixxers, R6's, R1's, CBR's and ZX's... Also, the ergo's are more upright as opposed to the more aggressive sitting positions of the track bikes.

I was actually looking to pick one up also. FZ6 is the way to go! Good luck Luke.
 

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Thanks all for your help so far, it has been most appreciated.

As for riding position, I really must have the aggressive sports style, I am in love with it and even in times of bad congested traffic etc, or long country rides, it has never caused me enough problems in order for me to change my mind.

I have also tracked down a few of my friends and with the combined help of everyone, it seems now that a Ducati 748 or Daytona 675 may be another option, due to slimmer body and seems the V-Twin and the Triple deliver the power a bit more linearly, which is more practical for the road.

I will also take everyone's advice and test ride my arse off, as I really want to find the right bike, as I love the look of the 2000-2002 GSXRs, but I don't want to buy one only based on looks.

If anyone thinks of anything else, please feel free to reply to this post or drop me an email.. Thanks so much for everyone’s help.
 
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