there are like 40billion tire threds on here but none of them really answer my question. I want the stickiest tire out there that is for street riding. is it the dc3 the pp 2ct or the b002 rs? yes i realize you cant and should use up even what a bt21 could do on the street. but I want a tire I can use on the street and on the track. I have run the pp and b002rs and loved them both. I just want to know if anyone out there knows which one is actualy the stickiest. they are all awsome tires.
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Under street conditions I would say the Pilot Power or BT16 or the Pirelli/Metzler equiv. For a track day tossed in, move up to the PP 2CT for a little softer rubber on the edges. The DOT track tires won't offer any more grip on the street since they won't get up to teir proper temp under street conditions. Bottom line is that any of todays high performance tires offer amazing grip. If they are sliding on the street then either your on oily pavement, or riding way to hard for street conditions, and for sliding on the track, work on technique, ride smoother
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You can use a Pilot Road 2 or BT-021 on the track. Unless you're faster than mid-pack intermediate group it won't be the tires holding you back. The Power Road 2 has the same compound as the standard Pilot Power on the sides, so traction won't be an issue.
But if you insist on using sport tires, the stickiest are probably the BT002RS. The Pilot Power is a great tire and is plenty sticky for trackdays too. The Dunlop Qualifier is another sticky tire that can easily handle track duty. If you wreck on any of them it's not because of the tires...
<RANT>The Pilot Power 2CT is a bad, expensive joke. The softer edge only extends 1/2 - 3/4 inch from the edge of the tire, making it virtually useless for street riding, and it gets greasy/slippery with prolonged pushing from track riding.</RANT>
Something to bear in mind is that most track day orgs won't let you run tires that obviously have a lot of miles on them, so unless they are pretty new they won't let you out on track with street tires anyway.
Another thing to bear in mind is that proper suspension tuning will allow a dork on ST tires to pass you all day long even if you're on supersoft compound race tires.
But if you insist on using sport tires, the stickiest are probably the BT002RS. The Pilot Power is a great tire and is plenty sticky for trackdays too. The Dunlop Qualifier is another sticky tire that can easily handle track duty. If you wreck on any of them it's not because of the tires...
<RANT>The Pilot Power 2CT is a bad, expensive joke. The softer edge only extends 1/2 - 3/4 inch from the edge of the tire, making it virtually useless for street riding, and it gets greasy/slippery with prolonged pushing from track riding.</RANT>
Something to bear in mind is that most track day orgs won't let you run tires that obviously have a lot of miles on them, so unless they are pretty new they won't let you out on track with street tires anyway.
Another thing to bear in mind is that proper suspension tuning will allow a dork on ST tires to pass you all day long even if you're on supersoft compound race tires.
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Now I feel bad, my 2CT came in yesterday. They were $50 higher per set this year, too. I guess will try the PP next year.
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i like the perille diablo corsa . there a great road and trackday tire:thumbup:
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Had a set too. Not bad, but I'm really liking my new BT016's (so far). Gotta scuff the front before I do anything too mean though.
+1 on that, I love pirelli tires, they are my favorite so far.
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It's just my opinion, but I definately don't agree with that. I believe the corsa3 has superior grip to the BT002rs by a decent bit. The BT002rs were rated to be comparable to the old Corsa, not the corsa3. The BT002 does have quicker turn in though, due to the fronts profile.
I completely agree with this however, what a frigging waste! As small a section that is a softer compound isn't going to make a large enough differance to use this tire as an advantage any way, even on the track. Like you said also, they grease up so bad with some hot laps in them that they're just not worth the cash over the regular PP. Personally, I find the Corsa3 to outgrip any of those in this group. Partially due to a much larger section of the rear tire being the softer compound on the shoulders and the fact that the grip lasts over a longer time span through the tires life then the others mentioned here. The front tire doesn't have the sharpe profile that the BT002rs does so it has a more neutral turn in and is a little more stable under hard braking. The front is also a medium compound all the way across with no sections and is said to be compound wise somwhere in between the Dragon supercorsa sc2 and sc3. The tire to me just has a much more planted and stable feel compared to the others above. I've personally used the Coarsa3, Bt002rs,and the PP 2ct and this is just my .02 from my own comparisons. Others I ride with that have used the original PP and then the PP 2ct have since switched beck to the original PP. They say it has a better feel of grip and stability compared to the 2ct. I personally haven't used the original PP so just throwing that out there for a little more input. Like I said, just my opinions from this particular group of tires. Sorry for the long post.
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It may also be worth mentioning that the Corsa3 has been used in SBK superstock series as their control tire and I've known it to be used from beginner to intermediate and advanced classes of trackday orginizations. In other words, this tire has some damn good grip:thumbup:
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For some reason I wasn't thinking of the Corsa 3 in this group. I know about it being the control tire in World Supersport. I haven't tried them yet, but I am planning on trying it for my next track day, or just sticking with Pilot Powers.
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I love the Pilot Power 2CT
It's also not about what tire is stickest, it's about feel. Some tires feel different that others, you also ride differently.
Of course there are different classes of tires. Keep in mind, there are recommendations on how fast of a lap time you can run on certain tires. It's only when your "racerfast" you need the RACE DOT tires.
It's also not about what tire is stickest, it's about feel. Some tires feel different that others, you also ride differently.
Of course there are different classes of tires. Keep in mind, there are recommendations on how fast of a lap time you can run on certain tires. It's only when your "racerfast" you need the RACE DOT tires.
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Give'em a try man, I really don't think you'll be dissappointed at all! Nobody I've pointed to them has been so far. They are an absolutely great tire:thumbup:
well I like the tip in of the pp the best of all. but what I was after was what was the stickiest tire because I am tired of alway switching tires. I have run almost all the tries on the market till the new bt16 came out havnt run that yet. I am no pro so I am more than confident a sport touring tire could prob do what I need but its all about confidence I hope to do my first track day this year been riding the street for years. and I just want to pick a tire and stay with it so I can set my suspension and just leave everything. I am leaning tward just going back to the pp but unless you get the 2ct you cant get the 190/55 profile i like. I like my bike to just dive into a corner I dont like the round profiles like everybody says the dc3 has. but I guess it really comes down to a to each his/her own i trust the pps i have more than once thought damn I am way to hot in this corner but they stuck. everybody seems to flame you for jumping on the band wagon with the pps though.
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If you like the PP and more importantly, Trust and are comfortable with them then go with them. No hating here. You know what you like and what feels best to you so go with that. It doesn't matter what everybody else likes or says to get, go with what you feels better to you.
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i don't know how my battlax bto16's compare to others but ive gone through two tires and havent had any real problems.
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I guess nobody read the last Sport Rider that did the tire comparison test. The PP 2CT came out on top. I love it for both the street and track. Oh and on the street I am right on the edge of the tire so I do take advantage of the softer spots on the edges. :thumbup: Maybe you guys with LARGE chicken strips dont need such a tire. You can use the 2 CTs almost to the advance level on the track then it it time to step up to RACE tires and warmers. The regular PP are more than fine for the street and occassional track day.:thumbup:
I guess nobody read the last Sport Rider that did the tire comparison test. The PP 2CT came out on top. I love it for both the street and track. Oh and on the street I am right on the edge of the tire so I do take advantage of the softer spots on the edges. :thumbup: Maybe you guys with LARGE chicken strips dont need such a tire. You can use the 2 CTs almost to the advance level on the track then it it time to step up to RACE tires and warmers. The regular PP are more than fine for the street and occassional track day.:thumbup:
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You can't always trust these magazine comparisons because alot of them are sponsered by different brands and will often be biased showing support for such and such brands. Not always and not all mags but, sometimes they are. That's why I look for my own experience and input from other riders in the "real world". As far as taking advantage of that little strip of softer rubber you claim to be using, there really isn't enough to get anything really extra as far as grip goes. It's just really too small.This is another area the Corsa3 really shines, the softer rubber covers pretty much the entire side of the tire. Enough to use from intial turn in grip all the way down to the very edge. This is where you get the real advantage from using such tires. As far as chicken strips go, are they the shreds of rubber I have hanging off the very edge of my tires? No strips here buddy. Also as for advanced guys using these, maybe where you run, but hardly ever anywhere I've been. These tires just grease up way too soon and slip far too early for this kind of hard abuse. Not saying there aren't any running them out there, just not many from what I've seen.
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A few organizations I ride with push the DCIIIs. I know a few guys who went with the DCIIIs and loved them. And a few prefer the PP 2CTs over the DCIIIs. So it is personal preference. I believe the DCIIIs came in third in the tire shoot-out done by SportRider.
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