Those dash cams sure get put to good use. Without that second video, the suspects family would be suing for 100 million dollars, and saying he was nothing but a hard working family man.

What are some opinions on this shooting?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIedW4HG5gE

 

true..

 

another useless human being off the streets. Glad no one was injured

 

bloodly hell. mad.
I need to ask a question. and i do not in any way want to offend or argue about this. really . this is just an outsiders point of view. but is it not true that there is over one gun per person registered in the states. . guns are illegal here and nobody has them . we have very little gun crimes. we have a few problems with drug gangs and a few rougue terriosts who shot people but do not refect the feelings of the country. if two lads have a problem here they just usauly beet the shit out of each other with their fists. the real measure of a man i think. the cops here dont even have them. they carry a battin. shootings are rare. dispite what you may hear from the press regarding ireland. the question i am trying to get to is. would the states be a safer place with out guns. does one really need to keep a machine gun under his bed for defence. would a 36 inch length of 2 by 4 not work as well.

 

+1 I think the streets would be safer if we did without guns here....My buddy lived in germany an said guns were illegal there.He said the shootings there were very rare

 

Oh man, you are going to stir up the gun nuts who think the length of their pecker is directly related to the caliber of their handgun.

 

:hmmm: blurry but it looks like it could be a snubnose varient of some gun.

and no, taking away guns would not reduce gun related crimes. and almost noone has a machinegun, they are very hard to get for normal citizens. the only reason i see people even thinking about taking away guns is because of the kneejerk reactions from shoot-outs and hostage taking. while the news very poorly covers situations where bystandards having guns helps them.

it boils down very simply to this "by taking away the guns of our law abiding citizens how are we taking away the guns from our criminals?"




:funny: its funny but extremely ignorant. the only people whom are like that are generally those without a ccw. and few enough even then.

 

Have you ever heard the saying "don't bring a knife to a gun fight" ?
Well don't bring a 2 x 4 to one as well.

 

909 i hear what you are saying and if somone came into my house with a gun i recon it would be a better idea to have one. But. thats not what i am asking. i will restate it. if guns where not available to public would the states be a safer place.
i am just writing this to provoke a good thread. i really dont care. i used to live in NY but im home for good now. its your problem . im 2000 miles east. it somtimes make me think. thats all.

 

The guy in that video wanted to die, or he'd hae been running. He shot and then turned around, walking.

I do wonder why they didn't tackle him when he turned around, rather than shoot him. Technically, they may have been a bit harsh on him, since they shot him in the back....but it's close enough to that line that I'd give the cops the benefit of doubt on this one, and side with them on this one. :thumbup:


Is the US better if we hae no guns? The biggest question is not whether the US would be safer without guns, but how you could effectively take the guns away from the criminals. If guns were banned tomorrow, NONE of the criminals would give them up. The good citizens would either give theirs up (losing ability to defend themselves against those with guns), or become criminals.

 

I know, i was pointing out an age where despite the lack of guns death by weapons was a problem. if guns go, it'll be blades is what i was going for. i reread what i posted, if i came off as an ass i appologize, it wasn't my intention.

nice gun... not my cup of tea, but nice. i prefer my mauser 7mm or mauser 30.06

 

No need for apologies, bro. But I do appreciate the gesture. :cheers:

And I completely agree, taking guns away from law abiding will not stop gun-related crimes. Criminals like this idiot on the vid here will always find ways to obtain firearms and use it to commit crimes.

 

I apologize in trivializing the suffering of the Irish under British occupation.:headshake

But on the other hand comparing the US to any other country regarding guns in like comparing apples to oranges.

The Swiss could be close since their people had to take up arms to free their country in their time of need. And can some one from Switzerland clarify this for me but in the Swiss constitution it was mandated that all Swiss born men over a certain age to poses a fire arm in their households.

And the most important thing to understand is that social economics play a very important roll in the level of violence that one man imposes to another.

So if we divide the US in different categories then we can say it’s just like Europe. (minus the socialism) ie government subsidized drugs for drug addicts so they will not commit crime to feed their habit.

Now I have never had the opportunity to visit Ireland but from what I have seen and read that Ireland is a beautiful place with its wealthy and poor all in the same pot. But we really can’t compare the level of crime there to here. The Irish have a common voice a common suffering and a common national pride.

Over here there is selfishness, so much social and political baggage that we will never be one voice one national. To much of oooh I need to be different then you it’s my right (political correctness is killing us)
Until an invading army reaches these shores (Mexicans don’t count) is when and only then will we have a common goal a common voice. And then may we forget the entire BS in the past that we have done to each other. Then we will see that it is not the instruments of death that are the problem it’s our social values.

Basically what we need is a good purge.

Sorry for get me down but let all that come for your guns know that you will give them the bullets first.

What I love about forums like these it allows others from different countries to see what the individual points of view are not the story in the TV.

 

that guy got what he deserved for pulling that gun in my opinion.....

 

lads i'm sorry for starting such a sensitive debate. last night i was on the sofa with 8 tins of beer in me. I'm a lover not a fighter.:funny: griff and zenith. if i offended you it was not my intent. its is none of my business what you guys get up to over there. i do appolagise.

 

Not even bro not offended at all. :thumbup:

 

A report said that what he was pointing was a cell phone. This is why the officers hesitated. Old story but either way cops should have to take chances for someone breaking the law. Justified killing but maybe a tazer would have done the job.

 

Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. The guns just make the bullets go really fast. I think people should be allowed to have all the guns they want, hang 'em on the walls, polish them up, buy them, sell them, trade them, talk history about them... We do that with all kinds of things, bikes, cars, baseball cards. Bullets should cost about $1000.00 a piece. (I guess I've never seen a bike hung on a wall, but I have seen some cars on roof tops.)

Anyway, I'm glad some people got a laugh out of my original post about guns, peckers and calibers. Whenever a gun debates comes up in any forum, people say the dumbest things, i.e., "Guns don't kill people." If guns didn't kill people we wouldn't waste the steal to make the silly things. But it is fun to watch, and (let the real games begin) I rarely miss a chance to poke fun at ******** (those being the caliber vs pecker people).

 

you sir, are an idiot. if a bullet cost 1k a piece it would allow me to justify buying the equipement to make my own rounds. then not only would my rounds only cost about 5cents a piece (1/30th what they cost now) but i would be able to make rounds that are more accurate, go further, and deal more damage.

so how does a gun kill someone? if guns kill people why don't i see more guns in jail? has a gun ever walked up to you and said "gimme your money or i'll kill you" ? . no, a gun is a tool, and when used properly a very useful tool. don't blame the tool, blame the idiot using the tool.

lads i'm sorry for starting such a sensitive debate. last night i was on the sofa with 8 tins of beer in me. I'm a lover not a fighter.:funny: griff and zenith. if i offended you it was not my intent. its is none of my business what you guys get up to over there. i do appolagise.

no worries... :cheers: i love the debate, i just don't like when they sidetrack or the inability of people (generally those against) to admit certain facts that will make change their point of view.

 

i think the rule of thumb should be,

run from the police.... u are gonna get shot.

all of these idiots who run from the cops are risking innocent peoples lives, the police need to just pull up beside the suspect and unload.



shoot now and sort it all out later

 

I disagree that we would be safer without guns.

Guns make everyone equal - everyone with a gun has equal power. Yes, I know that not everyone is a good shot, but that doesn't change the point. No matter who the bad guy is, you have the opportunity to have the same power that he has.

Without guns, a person's power is related to his physical size. Without guns, if a really big guy breaks into your house, you're fucked.

I understand why the UK banned guns and I understand why the USA wants to keep them. It's a choice that the people of a democratic country get to make. Some people want to live in a world where there is a small chance that they may get shot and killed. Other people want to live in a world where there is no chance they'll get shot - but a much higher chance that they will get the shit beat out of them.

To the UK people in this form, why don't you tell us about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_slapping">happy slappers</a>? We don't have that kind of thing in the US because here, if you slap the wrong person, you're going to get your ass shot.

 

link does not work. but i know what it means.. im not uk but it happens everywhere . bullys beeting on the first people they see. kids. nasty little bastards.
i got mugged by 3 guy when i lived in Brooklyn . guess its the same thing.

 

If guns don't "kill people" then why don't you load yours up, click off the safety, put your finger firmly on the trigger and then scratch your nose with the front sight while fending off a good case of hick-ups, or tearing down a bumpy road in some sagged out pick-up truck? "Guns don't kill people..." Motorcycles kill people every day and they were only designed to go fast. (Well mostly anyway, I'm not sure why they design Harleys.) Guns are specifically designed to kill people. But I'll give you this much since semantics seems to be the gun lovers favorite game. Guns are the tools designed specifically to kill people, so what kind of people buy that kind of tool?

And I love the fact that my $1000 / bullet rant hit a nerve. Gun lovers are like Harley riders, some of them are not too bright but they love to take themselves soooo seriously.

 

actually, semantics is the game played by those opposed to guns.

guns were designed to aid in hunting for food as the replacement for the bow and arrow, however they were also used for both attacking and defending people.

as to your suggestion that would be suicide when is classified as "when a person ends their own life". so from what you're saying, contrary to the definition is that if i shot myself and died a gun would have killed me and not myself. this is of course a fallacy, i would have killed myself USING a gun, the world “using” emphasizing that the gun itself is a tool, and did not do the killing but was the means by which I killed myself. or is that to hard for you to comprehend?

please, say something else, i like showing how lacking you are in the gray matter department

 

You totally stole that $1000/per bullet thing from Chris Rock's standup. I think his was $5000/per bullet.

They outlawed handguns in a city a while back (i think it mighta been san francisco) and crime went up something crazy like 25% because the criminals knew people wouldn't be carrying concealed weapons!

 

There is no doubt that taking guns off everyone would eliminate gun crimes.
The problem is actually getting the guns off the criminals and not just the honest people.
However even when guns controls are extremely tight as they are in Australia, there is still going to be someone corrupt who has access to guns and is willing to sell them to anyone with enough cash, as is evidenced by the recently released findings of Australian Police.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/NATIONAL...ws/NATIONAL/ADF-guns-sold-to-outlaw-bikies-report/2007/01/22/1169330793647.html
That being said we still do have very low incidence of gun related crimes.

 

back to the video i think it was justified because i believe you can shoot a fleeing felon no matter what (most cops wont ) and this guy could have turned around and shoot again i would have shot him in the ass thoe a couple of times lol

 

it has to be a felony for them to even consider shooting at the suspect and even then there must be justifiable cause, fleeing on foot is a misdemeanor, fleeing by means of a vehicle is a felony.

 

There have been several cities that have put a ban on handguns. And in all of them, crime went up substantially. There have been many studies done that show for a fact that guns help prevent more crimes, than are used to commit them. Guns aren't even the top weapon used in crimes. knives, and blunt objects are used more often.
Saying that all guns were specifically designed to kill people is totally false. What about my target pistol, my target rifles, or my sporting clays shotguns? I will give you that they are capable of injuring someone, but that is not why they were designed. In the whole history of the trap shooting (clays) sport (a very, very long time), there has not been one recorded fatal injury. Why? Because the people participating in the sport know their guns, and know how to use them correctly. Guns are tools to be used. How they are used is the responsibility of the owner. My dad taught me to shoot when I was 4, and I am now 26, and the whole time I have been a shooter. Name it, and I have probably shot it, pistols, rifles, shotguns, class three, etc. Not once have I felt the need to harm someone with a gun. You cannot blame all gun owners for the few people that choose to use them inappropriately.

As Andy Rooney said: "Guns do not make a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game."

 

thats crazy

 

The USA has roughly 10 x more fire arm deaths PER CAPITA than all the other G7 countries... go figure.:headscrat

Simplified in other words, if I live in the USA, I have 10X more chances of dying from a fire arm then in Germany, Canada, Italy, France, UK, Australia, etc etc... and the biggest difference between these countries and the US is the "right to bear arms"... So the right to bear arm is to protect yourself but you end up with 10X more chance of dying because of it... :headscrat

Watch "Bowling for Colombine"... Moore took an interesting angle at US vs Canada and why the Americans are so affraid of everything and how the media contributes to it... Made a lot of sense when I watched it... and the NRA should fire Charlton Heston who sure did not to a very good job as a spoke person... He looked like a deranged bigot.:headshake

 

:headshake

Watch "Bowling for Colombine"... Moore took an interesting angle at US vs Canada and why the Americans are so affraid of everything and how the media contributes to it... Made a lot of sense when I watched it... and the NRA should fire Charlton Heston who sure did not to a very good job as a spoke person... He looked like a deranged bigot.:headshake

This quote says it all.
You believe what you see and hear on TV or the movies. People that say things like that can not think for them selves.

Like a buggy horse with shades on the sides of their eyes blocking their peripheral vision. It makes it easy for them to stay calm and be directed by their master as they are led down the road. They can’t see the truth next to them.
And for that same reasons we have a buffoon for President that delegates power and dose not command it.

I’m a proud Republican that is sick of tree hugging liberals and ultra conservatives.

If the only way people were dying in this country from guns is from criminals is a total misinformation. Where in fact what they will never tell or report is that how many times a crime was stopped do to a fire arm or a life was saved never.

When will people (clowns) understand that the news you are reading and see is always sensationalized for the viewing audience? Bad stories sell papers ratings they get you to fear to go outside. It is why today’s generation old and young are so willing to sit back and eat up this BS that the media feeds you day to day for you to say to your self wow at least we are not as bad as that story, I guess we must be doing something right lets stay on this road it seams safe.
Do you see what I’m trying to get at (buggy horse) some of you folks?

I just can’t tell you how bad FOX and CNN have gotten they just bark at the audience like we are some stage side show freaks. Just read your news from the AP , NPR and even then you have to read between the journalists and or editors personal spin that gets put in the story. We live in such polarized times that the spin will never stop.

 

as someone previously mentions, those nations tend to also have a much more unified people. were as we are no longer the melting pot but a nice stew. if only it was so easy to compare contries to another. also moore was to much of a pighead for me to stomach more than 15minutes of the movie.

 

I am a hardheaded stubborn fucker but if a cop has a gun on me, i am going to live to whoop ass another day. Did you see how many times the cop fired? He need to go to marksman school, being that close and not hitting him is like suicide. He should have gone down with 1-2 rounds. I was shot 3 times in the middle east, it only took one to get me down though (7.62 hurts like hell), but i lived to ride and tell about it.

 

actually i've seen this video on numerous police shows on spike tv and court tv and in each show they said that the mad was actually unarmed. he had a cell phone in his hand and was holding it like a gun. the reason it took so many shots before the guy dropped was because he was high on like 2 or 3 different kinds of drugs, the cops didnt miss.