It's unfortunate that he is dead, but in the circunstances why would you even posture to a cop that you'd pretend to shoot at them.. If I was in the cops situation and could not clearly see it was a garden nozel, I'd start shooting for sure..

Cops have families too, their wives, kids, family and friends would be just as devastated if they never went home one day cause they were killed by some smack head..

 

I agree with GSXR750K4. You can sit back and judge what the police did, but you don't know what really happened. There are a lot of factors that could of played into it. If you were there and KNOW what happened, then you can judge. It is sad that someone lost their life, but again...what idoit pulls something out and points it at the police like your going to shoot them?? Not smart at all!! I'm not saying the police are right and i'm not saying the other guy is right, I don't know bc I wasnt there. I'm just simply saying, everyone judges the police by what wrong they do and not what good they do. The police are humans just like we are. They want to go home at the end of the night and see their wife, kids etc.

 

Quite stupid of him to point a pistol grip hose adapter at police, however them not saying freeze, or put your hands up is bullshit. I've seen cops get arrested for chasing wanted criminals and the criminals pulling something out of their coat/jacket/hoodie and the officers mistaking it for a gun - shooting them out of fear of their own life, still go to prison for murder charges. I think these guys should have it a bit harder then they have it now. Regardless of Zerby's stupidity, he was still innocent. R.I.P.

 

I have a shit load of hand guns and could never mistake a garden hose nozzle for a hand gun. These ass hats need to get there eyes checked and get into another line of work. Also just what kind of noise does a hand gun make when you handle it? Mine don’t make any unless I rack the slide, cock the hammer or spin the cylinder on my revolvers. True the guy did not use the best judgment but was deadly force justified I do not think so

 

I dunno, perhaps if there were tighter gun laws in America, cops wouldn't be fearing for their lives so much.. There really is not any kind of these problems in Australia, "maybe" a 2-3 a year but that's it.. But when it's written into your ammendmant(or whatever it is), then you guys don't have much hope really..

We recently had our second cop killed the other week during the past 2 years in the line of duty, this one was run over by a truck whilst doing traffic duty, the other was gunned down 2 years ago.. This shit is a rare occurence over here and I'd say it'd be due to tighter gun laws..

Biggest deal with our cops ATM is that they are TASER happy.. :lol:

 

You Sir can can suck a kangaroo dick! Dont feed me that "tighter gun law" horse shit! For 1 it was the POLICE who done this so what would guns laws have done?? I for one own a firearm and have a license to carry and i didnt get either from a soda machine. We have rules and regulations to who can purchase/own/carry/handle a gun. Its the criminals who dont follow those rules that fuck shit up. In this case it was police who over reacted and took a mans life for no reason. By the way police in general are protected by "the good faith act" so no jail time will be given to the jackass officer.

 

I'm not a cop, so I can't speak to their procedures. I do have a cop friend who was shot and killed on the job. There is no time to fuck around with someone who has a gun. How did the sister know what happened? It appears she wasn't even there.

 

<warning long drawn out blabber because I am so IRATE from this>
I really have a problem with cops (in my area at least). I really lost all respect for cops when I was jumped by five people. I got hit from behind not even looking at any of them and knocked out instantly. Not sure what he hit me with but they then proceded to stomp on my face. All five of them, they weren't trying to make a point they were trying to kill me. I woke up in the hospital with no idea what happened. (7-8 hours after the fight) Doctors told me that one more hit to the face and I wouldn't be here. I had both orbital bones broken left cheek bone fractured and right cheek bone basically turned into dust and all those bones jammed into my jaw to where I couldn't open my mouth. Several fractures to my skull and a couple broken ribs.


What did the cop say once I was well enough to try to find out who did it.

"I don't have time for crap like this, I have over 20 cases on my desk and noone will say who it was so I can't help if noone will come forward" granted it would have taken some true POLICE WORK from him and i'm sure that would have taken a while but still to this day I know the guys name that initiated it, his address, his phone number, what he looks like, his wifes name, kids name, where he works and all. I figured all this out on my own and they still won't help me out. I am having to take him to court on my own.

Cops (in most cases around here) suck and don't ever want to "serve and protect" its all about a paycheck to them and the least amount of work they can do while still getting that paycheck is what they will try to do.

Had one car and my 600 stolen from me in the same year that I got jumped and cops did the same thing. "it's like finding a needle in a haystack but we will document it" car showed up as a shell with no interior or exterior parts left on it. They refused to fingerprint it or anything. Only reason I got my bike back was because the retards started it IN their apt and neighbors called the cops.

I really hate to even say it but I really don't respect cops one bit. I feel bad that they risk their lives but in most cases they do the same as what happened there. If they feel the slightest bit scared they shoot first before determining anything.

Just last week a cop killed a guy in a Target store that was in handcuffs (cuffed by target employee security guards) because he Lunged at him. The guy was stupid but witnesses said all he did was the (i don't know how else to describe it) jump towards you like if I wanted to scare you and make you flinch I kinda make a motion that I am going to hit you with my body and then I back off. Yea thats what the guy did and started to back away from the cop and the cop grabbed his night stick and hit him in the forehead killing him instantly. NOW COME ON how hard do you have to hit someone in the forehead to kill them instantly???

I don't know I just hate hearing about this stuff and with my life instances with the cops it makes it even worse. I was never a bad kid or person either with no criminal record and they still treated me like this, If they treated me that way when I was attacked then who "was worth" going after and putting in jail?

/ok end rant and sorry. Don't read

 

:bowdown: In most situations when you need a cop to do their job, they won't. Not in the shit that really matters anyway. I.E. there are worse things then speeders out there, who are going 5-10 over the limit. Take a drug bust into consideration. The only reason why hardcore drugs are out there is because people are willing to use them. Why are you going to try and stop someone from doing something that they want that only effects them? If they're careless enough (no disrespect to any members who may take effect to this, but I've lost a few friends and plenty of family members to hardcore drug abuse) to do Meth, Heroin, or LSD, etc, they're just killing themselves.. it's their choice.

Now I'm not saying drugs should be legal, but I know they're just as easy to get as it is to buy gas at the gas station. If someone has a proper desire to achieve a goal, they're going to get it no matter what it takes.

The fact that they don't do shit about thieves, or brutality like you stated in your quote, is fucking bullshit. If I caught someone stealing something I worked hard to pay for, I would beat them until they saw black and blue. But nope, can't do that unless they have a weapon. So fuck it, I'll plant a knife on them. I believe in Texas there is a law passed that states if there is someone unwanted on your property (I.E. a thief) and you warn them to get off, and they refuse, you're allowed to open fire. I don't have any source, or feel like finding one, so correct me if I'm wrong, but don't quote me. If there is a law like that, I think I need to move to Texas.

People should know that cops are on the edge to begin with..any abrupt movement could get you killed. They've been trained to pull the heat anytime they think there could be a situation. I think they should reach for the stun gun, tazers, any non-lethal form to subdue. If I was an officer, I couldn't deal with the fact that the person I shot and killed was simply having a bad day. Grab the tazer, drop them and let them try for a better day tomorrow. "I killed a guy in handcuffs at Target cause he lunged at me. My life was in danger" Really??? :headshake

As much as I'd like to agree with you, they've also been trained to make sure it's life threatening danger before endangering others. The fact that they assumed instead of assured isn't acceptable. I do agree with the tazer idea instead of the gun idea. I think that's why cops should carry rubber bullets as the first 3 in the clip as well. I guarantee they hurt enough to sit someone the fuck down.

plain and simple the police jump the gun .. no pun intended. bad judgment on the victims side but the police are just taking plp out. too many cases when there are multiple officers on the scene that aren't in the line of fire and still shoot. they are gangstas with badges and 95% the law back's um..

sad situation all around

agreed 100% :bowdown:

"Both officers were placed on administrative leave, a standard move after a police shooting."
- BS a standard move. They know their officers messed up. That's a jacked up story, we have some pretty dumb cops throughout our country..

+1000 :thumbup:

No joke. One of 'em shot him with a shotgun!! it's not like the guy was robbing a bank. Why would you even have the shottie pointed at the guy in the first place?

+1000 :thumbup:

The right to bear arms is a double edged sword.

I agree with this statement, however JP's statement is very true.
The fact that firearms aren't exactly hard to obtain here compared to other countries, most licensed owners use them properly and would not endanger another person unless it's life threatening to them. Aka self defense. Which would usually only happen if someone is trying to attack them. Most weapons used in crimes are not registered; or are stolen.

The dude stayed at his friends so as to not drive home intoxicated, and as a result got shot by the police.

F!ck it, next time drive home, sounds safer to me.

+1000 :thumbup:

The laws the police enforce here are worthless, people dont get locked up or pay the price for the crime they commit thanks to our court system, gun or not. People that legally own guns and know how to use them 99.99999999% of the time are not committing the crimes. There are so many guns here that tighter laws will do no good. Thats not going to change. With the right attorney and money you can get away with anything, even murder.

The cops that murdered the hose guy need to be in prison, but they wont be put there.

:bowdown: your post as well as sircrx are probably the best posts I've read about this topic. I couldn't agree with you more.

 

People should know that cops are on the edge to begin with..any abrupt movement could get you killed. They've been trained to pull the heat anytime they think there could be a situation. I think they should reach for the stun gun, tazers, any non-lethal form to subdue. If I was an officer, I couldn't deal with the fact that the person I shot and killed was simply having a bad day. Grab the tazer, drop them and let them try for a better day tomorrow. "I killed a guy in handcuffs at Target cause he lunged at me. My life was in danger" Really??? :headshake

 

The fact that the cops would sneak down to the guy anannounced then watch him for a while before asking him to put down the "gun" then shoot him when he probably didn't even know they were there!!!! C'MON fellas!

 

+1, they never did shit to let him know they were there, the cops wanted to get all trigger happy and take down the bad guy... unfortunately the 2 cops will be back on the force in a couple weeks after their paid vacation.:headshake

 

plain and simple the police jump the gun .. no pun intended. bad judgment on the victims side but the police are just taking plp out. too many cases when there are multiple officers on the scene that aren't in the line of fire and still shoot. they are gangstas with badges and 95% the law back's um..

sad situation all around

 

"Both officers were placed on administrative leave, a standard move after a police shooting."
- BS a standard move. They know their officers messed up. That's a jacked up story, we have some pretty dumb cops throughout our country..

 

No joke. One of 'em shot him with a shotgun!! it's not like the guy was robbing a bank. Why would you even have the shottie pointed at the guy in the first place?

 

Most of the cops I know are just guys, with families doing a pretty thankless job. That's just my experience. Then again most Canadians aren't packing a 9mm. They might be more edgy if that was the case. The right to bear arms is a double edged sword.

 

Cops and criminals have a very similar mindset. As with sircrx, I had a similar incident. Same story. Same results. Nothing. Same hatred. However they are extremely quick to hand me driving awards. The dude stayed at his friends so as to not drive home intoxicated, and as a result got shot by the police.

F!ck it, next time drive home, sounds safer to me.

 

The dude stayed at his friends so as to not drive home intoxicated, and as a result got shot by the police.

F!ck it, next time drive home, sounds safer to me.

Not everyone missed that part. :thumbup:

 

I feel bad for good cops that are doing a good job and its making their lives hadrer because they have to be associated with people like this

Stricter gun laws arn't going to help much. I read that one year in new york only 0.5% of gun crimes were commited with legaly owned guns. Cant confirm the source but it seemed legit.

 

If he was dumb enough to point an object that looked like a gun to a bunch of cops with shotguns then maybe he wanted to die. Most cops will discharge their weapons 100% of the time if somebody points something at them, and everybody knows that. I dont even blame the cops because they got a call from somebody else that the kid had a gun. They were instinctly acting upon their police training. Its kill or be killed.

 

Are you F!CKING KIDDING ME, I'm sure that if he had known it was cops and not some other f!ckheads he probably wouldn't have aimed the WATER HOSE at them. I probably would have done the same thing. Second he's not just some kid. He was a father of an 8 year old. I aim sh!t at people all the time don't mean there going to just pull a god damn shotty on me. Your not even going to blame the cops? THEY DIDN'T ANNOUNCE THEMSELVES IN ANY WAY!

 

Vicious,

I agree with protecting yourself and your family (obviously). If I lived in the States I would have a gun. Simply because I know that the meth head kicking in my back door has one. My dad lives in the States and has an arsenal. I would be the same way. I think the whole "all these criminals have stolen guns" is a bit of a copout. If there weren't any handguns. There wouldn't be any to steal. It is a vicious circle. I have never even seen a handgun in Canada unless it's on a cops belt.

 

 

 

Dont you have a job? Haha jk. Good info.

 

wanna see what i do for a living? would you like pink pastels in you future?
:lol:

 

Ohh, how many shades of pink do you have?!? http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b207/rebelchevy02/***.gif

 

:lol:........... :shifty

i meant your sig and avatar :infrandom

 

in seriousness does anybody besides me have a carry permit?

 

Got mine! It's not the lack of gun laws that get people killed. It's stupid, ignorant, selfish people. Good info JP:thumbup:

 

I do. Seriously.

 

right on :clap:

 

Which reminds me. Ill be renewing that today.

 

JP you're my hero:clap:

 

After reading the statistics, you can have my bicycle when you pry my cold dead hands off of the bars! Really informative, thanks.

 

Exactly why people need to mind their own business! This guy got shot because they're in a dangerous part of town known for gun violence, this guy was reported by a caller to have a gun, the police show up ready to go and blast him.

Not saying they were right but how would any one even know he was outside sitting on the stoop playing with a water nozzle that looked like a "six shooter"? Nosey ass people should keep shit to themselves. Was he hurting anybody? Was he on your property? If I was to see someone sitting on my neighbor's step I would go "hmm, must be waiting on John to get home" and go about my own business. Could have been avoided all together if people would just keep to themselves.